U.S.A. Destroyed !!

I am afraid I do not know anyone who is jealous of an American. If anything, people laugh at americans and at how ignorant we are.

I am an American, and I can speak for all of us and say that we, as a united country, are the most arrogant people in the world. And I do not like it one bit.

-Chris

I have been studying terrorism, biblical prophecy, bible codes, and public intelligence assessments for quite a while now.

I have come to believe that we will be attacked and invaded by a combination of Russian and Chinese forces.

From intelligence reports, we know several points:

1. Russia remains a threat and Putin (former KGB man) is using the Beslan school incident to take away civil liberties in that country and put the Kremlin as a more public support.

2. In 1994, the Russians brokered an agreement with Arab terrorists to fight the war against America via proxy.

3. We know that even Gorbachev himself described Perestroika and Glasnost in the 1980s as being surface changes in the country. The goal is seemingly laying down their arms was to get us to believe a threat from them is over. Of course, Gorbachev may or may not have foreseen the dissolution of the Soviet Union, but I believe the theme of the changes remains to play dead (a move they called "The Overture") only to attack later at a time of their choosing.

4. During the Cold War, the soviets have placed suitcase sized nuclear weapons in hiding in the US in lead containers to be used at a later time in a nuclear conflict with the US that the Russians have deemed "inevitable".

5. The Russians have also sold at least 20 suitcase nukes to Bin Laden in the 1990s, financed by Afghan opium sales (ironic, huh? after the Soviet
invasion of Afghanistan failed).

From modern prophets who are true prophets from the Lord (there are a lot of false prophets and quacks on these threads), we know that God has withheld His judgement from America until now because America has been the largest spreader of charity and philanthropy in the entire world. Nevertheless, the Lord has these things against America:

Following is a list of offenses upon the Lord's heart:

1. We must continue our support Israel. We have started to waiver in our
support of God's chosen people. We must not divide the land of Israel for any reason. It is not only Israel's fault that the Palestinians have no homeland of their own. The neighboring Arab states have refused the Palestinians land because they want to keep pressure on the Israelis. (Note: I am not Jewish, but I know that they, not I, am called God's chosen people).

2. The Church must return to holiness and the pure word of God. No more looking to the world system for its security. No more name it and claim it prosperity preaching. No more preaching with hidden sins they hope are never exposed.

3. We must fully repent and heal the ruins left behind from America's wrong
toward the First Nations People, and the African American. As for these two
people groups, for full healing to come to our Nation and to their people,
the healing of forgiveness must be completed.

4. We must overturn Abortion - we are the most murderous nation on the planet in history since we kill millions of innocent people per year. The soul is given to the body at the time of conception and even beleivers will be confronted in heaven with the souls of children they killed asking why. We have the blood of 35,000,000 babies on our hands.

5. We must repent of our greed and love of abundance. Riches are provided to be shared among all.

6. There must be a humbling and correction of our judicial system who is making up law as they go right now.

7. Sexual perversions must be repented of - God abhors homosexuality
(see Sodom and Gomorrah) as an absolute abomination of His design for the family, for His people.

In general, an examination of the decline of civilizations has been precipitated by three major factors:

1. The shedding of innocent blood.

2. Advocation of homosexuality or other perversion.

3. Failure to support or ally with Israel.

America is already doing #1 and #2, and starting to waiver on #3.

We, as Christians, learned that if we prayed and sought the Lord as one, He would deliver for us in the reelection of president Bush. However, God promised us that we would move mountains before and we allowed homosexuality and abortion to take root in this country on our watch and so God holds us responsible for not believing Him before.

Lucifer, the Archangel who rebelled against God out of pride, accuses people and nations constantly and God, who is both merciful and just, is removing His hand of protection over this country.

There are people in the world who know that God (YHWH) exists and that the story about Lucifer's fall, becoming the devil, is true and don't to know either one or are foolish enough to believe that being the devils friend will guarantee their safety in this life and in eternity, but nothing is farther from the truth.

The devil uses his followers as pawns. He hates all mankind and would just as soon destroy every one of us if given the chance. Those who curse God keep breathing because God holds some level of protection over them even as they rebel against Him. If God removes His hand of protection from people or from nations, then literally, all hell will break loose.

Almost like a constant trial, Lucifer accuses all of us of our wrongs in front of the throne of God to attempt to force God to allow judgement against people. It is Jesus Christ Himself who advocates on our behalf in front of God the Father to appeal to His mercy based on the price Jesus paid for our sin on the cross.

Satan (Lucifer) hates the US in particular because, in the past, the US has been the most prolific promoters of the Gospel around the world and the per capita greatest givers to the poor. Satan's plan to destroy the US has been to cause the unknowing citizens of the US to sin more and more greatly to bring about the removal of the shield of protection that the Lord has placed over the US (this plan has succeeded) and to bring into everyone's world so much media input, email, job stress, financial worries, etc to distract the believers from spending time with the Lord to get His wisdom and direction to intercede for the nation (this plan has largely succeeded).

According to the few modern prophets I trust (I am not a prophet, I am an analyst), 9/11/01 was a short-term removal of God's protection to warn America of coming judgement and gave us three years to repent of the seven grievances listed above. If we did not sufficiently repent, there would come an irreversible judgement on all america that would start with more severe natural disasters. That three year period ended on 9/11/04 and the word is that our repentance was far from sufficient.

The four hurricanes that hit Florida have happened before (1886) and so these events do not indicate to people a beginning of judgement allowed by God Himself because of the sin and corruption in America. However, there will be many more successive waves of natural disasters on the coasts and the southern perimeter of the US to the point that you will hear the following phrases quite a bit from now on:

"In history" "In State History" "Unprecedented" "In Recorded History"

The second wave of judgement will be a nuclear attack from the combined forces of China (on the West Coast) and Russia (on the East Coast). Most of both coasts will be utterly destroyed in the attacks followed by invasion of Russian and Chinese forces through Alaska, Minnesota, and Florida. The missiles will be mostly Neutron bombs which destroy most all lifeforms but spare the buildings and infrastructure. The radiation from Neutron bombs dicipates very quickly to allow for troop invasions.

Why would China and Russia think they choose this time in the next few years to attack? Because the earth is running out of oil. According to Dr. Colin Campbell in the 21st Century, The World's Endowment of Conventional Oil and Its Depletion, 1996, we are now at the peak level of output of oil based on drillers and technology, but, by 2010, we will begin a decline in the ability to retrieve oil with the current economics. It will become much more expensive to retrieve the harder-to-reach oil and even then the net output will be less than today. This reduction comes at a time when India, China, and Russia are becoming more industrialized and competing on a greater level in demand for the existing supply of Oil. Oil has hit record highs above $50 a barrel recently. This is basic supply and demand, demand is rising, supply is known by many to be falling in the future. What happens then - prices rise considerably. How do you reduce the price when you can't get more oil - you reduce demand. We are not anywhere near far enough along on alternative hydrogen fuel cell technology to be able to make a difference in this outcome. So you can find other fuels ... or .... eliminate other competitors for the fuel.

By invading the US, the Chinese and Russians gain all that we have here and reduce our competition for oil by reducing us.

As I said, the devil is behind all of this and God will allow it because our sin has forced His hand to be removed to give us over to the consequences of our sin. We will see human faces attacking us and cannot possibly fathom how there is a spiritual aspect to the imminent carnage. Both God and the devil use people as agents to accomplish the ends of both parties.

Recall the Korean and Vietnam wars. The fighter pilots often found themselves up against Russian pilots in the opposing planes though Russia was not publicly fighting in the war. The US fought Japan as part of the American Volunteers Group with the Chinese in 1940 (Flying Tigers). These are somewhat a human example of the proxy fight you will see happen in the next six years.

I love the United States and I have helped our science and defense programs during my career and travelled many countries around the world. I will cry to see America fall. The way of life as we know it will come to an end.

Many humanists will not believe what I have said. Since to many of them, there is no good and no evil. Therefore, it is illogical to think that another country would take us out to eliminate our competition for the world's resources. If we all sit down and talk, we can understand and agree and war is NEVER necessary. The UN provides such a forum to discuss and resolve such issues, doesn't it?

The United Nations represented the best that humanistic philosophies about the goodness of people's hearts had to offer. The UN was supposed to present a forum for all countries to understand each other. If all men are good and there is no absolute evil, then simply talking it all out
would be fine.

Except, we now find out that the UN's major players on the Security
Council were taking kickbacks in the BILLIONS!!! From Hussein and would
never have voted for war no matter what. The best that humanists had
to offer in discussion has been found to be hopelessly corrupt.
Wishing people to be good at the core does not make that so.

There never has been a world organization that offers a utopian forum
to resolve such issues and there never will be.

Many pastors do not believe that there are modern prophets who hear from the Lord and will cry in despair that they did not prepare their congregations for the sufffering that is to come.

Prepare for war on our soil...it has been already been determined in Heaven to occur in the next few years.

Mod Edit: Added sources
Sources:
10/19/2002 - Satan's Plans and Purposes for America

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Being sort of 'international'...born Dutch and a Canadian citizen, I like Americans (the people, not organizations) and I believe most people in the free world think like me. I think it's a vocal few who are anti American and they hog the media who are always looking for sensationalism.

My biggest concern is our dependancy on the electrical utilities and the power line grid. I didn't like that tower getting blown up in Quebec...

Computers are the new 'veins' carrying all your business transactions and without electricity, they would be useless.

Our manufacturing abilities would cease without power. As well, telecommunications like satellite TV, newspapers are temporary or worse, long term disabled... (forget your own PC, it's gone)...banks would be doing well, however, because every transaction would be cash only.

And our nifty cell phones would be gathering dust on coffee tables.

Whatever authorities are out there should be watching the transmission towers more than anything is my take...

Pity the West should fall because we couldn't protect power lines...could it be something as simple as that?





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[edit on 7-12-2004 by masqua]

He hee.. can I jump in?

The UN will fall from the weight of its Socialistic endeavor.
The American Dollar is back on the rise... Capitalism is proving once again to be the most stable form of government in the world.
China can't get their crap straight... neither can Russia.
The US will bomb France after the UN crumbles then we'll send the statue of liberty back to them in pieces.

I dunno... I'm just wingin' this off the top of my head... feel free to pick it apart.

Originally posted by managerie

In general, an examination of the decline of civilizations has been precipitated by three major factors:

1. The shedding of innocent blood.

2. Advocation of homosexuality or other perversion.

3. Failure to support or ally with Israel.

America is already doing #1 and #2, and starting to waiver on #3.

So, homosexuality is a perversion? ok... I see.

I have a question, if the decline of civilizations has been precipitated by this major factors, why USA enemies, which do all of the three, will triumph and prevail against US?

I�d really got a laugh reading your nonsese, you made my day...

Sorry, but this isn't much of a prediction or prophecy.

So your saying that Russia and China are gonna gang up on the United States?

China is definatly getting stronger and thats fine with me. They have a right to have a strong country and military. They have over 1 billion people to worry about.

Now about Russia, Do you honestly believe that their Perirtoika tactics were a cover, a lie, to make the US think they are harmless the to jump up and bite us in the behind? Their people have suffered much in the last decade. Their navy has basically rusted in port and is almost useless. Same thing with there mechanized force and planes. Without proper maintnance done often many planes become beyond repair.

I dont buy it. I don't think they would specifically allow their military and country to collapse in any secret plan.

Way too Risky in my opinion.

And by the way its one thing to embargo a country say for example like Cuba that is Neither an industial or commercial power of 11 million people and have the world not effected...

Its a completely another thing to to block off a World power and economic powerhouse of 300 milion people.

-Reason

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In reference to the USA being ?destroyed? [ rather than Re-Tooled, Re-Made ???]

here are a couple sites, that are really inmeshed with a variety of items.

The Process of Ousting This Dark Cabal
www.luisprada.com...

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The author states, the 'Forces of Light' intricate yet simple plans involve
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Q: ?#1; is the AQ threat, to attack the USA financially, a part of this plan??
Q: ?#2; the NY State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer (successfully
prosecuting Fraud & Graft in Wall Street & Mutual Funds, Bankers) has
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Q: ?#3; all those above...plus the US Dollar is still falling!!!

~~~

heres a wider range of issues that are currently 'unfolding',
[you can archive more stuff from 1-1-2002...]

'dark cabal forces' are planning to use "Weapon of Last Resort"
'lost' continents Atlantis & Lemuria are begin to surface.
the polar regions are to become 'ice-free'
one magnetic pole will be at core, the other pole on planets surface
other stuff...like Bush, Cheney, 18 Euro bank accts ~ 2 trillion $$$$

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on the really bizarre, beyond belief, realm, the author enjoins us to know:

Earth will join the Sirius Star System in 2013 [8 Eb, Divine Time]
Humans will build shrine/temple in Sirius B Solar System
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~~~

well, i gotta go now,
laugh, scratch your head, grab a brew,
enjoy the journey

The power people keep referring to as falling is Rome and even though America is and Rome was great powers of their time, Romes power was different. Although America has fought many conflicts, some more jusitified, Americans aren't the conquerors as the Romans were, and aren't as militilaristic. As for Americans taking every thing we have for granted, I am American but i realize not everyone has what i do, and i feel bad for starving children around the world. and people that are less fortunate. Another thing it wasn't our generation but Americans did fight and die for what we have now, it wasn't handed to us.

To those of you that are rejoicing what you consider the imminent fall of America, there are some things you should consider.

1. yes the current in all likelihood will fall, we americans cherish our pretend freedoms haha, and if the feds don't stop grabbing them soon they are going to be dealing with 300 million raving pissed well armed people.
2. If our government does fall that will not signal the end of America. If the rest of the world is lucky, the government that replaces it will go isolationist while we distribute the tech from the black world and jump 200 years technologically in 10. If the world pushes it, Hey deterrence only works because of politics, anyone who tries to mess with us or hold past mistakes against us will be living in a highly radioactive glass landscape... France, Russia, China, Mideast are you reading me clearly you've now pissed the average American off. We never should have liberated France, and we won't do it again.
3. No matter what you have to say about Americans yes those of us who actually take the time to stay informed know for a fact we are a lazy comfort obsessed people who are in love with the status quo and our status as big dogs in world politics.
This means if anything external or internal pushes the american public beyond a certain point the citizenry as a whole will push back to secure our god given right of prosperity hehe. THe government might think they have us under our thumbs, they do to an extent but may GOD or someone help anyone that pushes us too far! The American people don't need their army to do it's dirty work (my m-4 and I can splash headshots at 400 yards and I got plenty of ammo). The last thing you want to do is push a nation that invented the term mob mentallity, if you back us into a corner we'll tear your throats out!!

5. What national debt: Try and make us pay it haha, what is Russia and China gonna ally to take it back (they hate each other remember, and dogma only hides the cracks in the united front) Maybe Europe and France lol, France has plenty of practice surrendering and selling reverse engineered technology to our enemies and we've tolerated it but if there is a regime change you can count on them being high on the hit list.... we Americans aren't as stupid as y'all think keep in mind CNN spins everything including what type of people they interview on certain subjects...
example: Gun control you can be secure in knowing that although all you'll see on tv bashing gun grabbing are illiterate rednecks, this is not the case. (I qualify for mensa for example and I could arm and provision a 7 man squad for 2 months of hot combat) My best friends big brother, who incidentally is head counsel for a large insurance company, gave me a blank check to as he said "Arm him for a worst case contingency" here's what I bought him
5 ak-47's and a total of 100,000 rounds, spare parts to basically rebuild said guns 3 times each, and some specialty rounds (oh i'm sorry was that your bmp lol)
5 Colt m-4 commandos parts clips etc and another 100,000 rounds oh and a couple of the nifty ar type subguns for in close work.

That's all I'm going to list however I will point this out between everyone I know (10-20 people mostly college educated and extremelly gainfully employed people) We posess enough materiel to start and win a brush fire war. And we are not alone in the last few years there have been literally hundreds of thousands of assault rifles and other paramilitary gear bought by the american public. WE are afraid, it is a deep and nearly universal fear, the stink of desperation and haze of uncertainty of our future has the average person jumping at shadows. People have been getting ready, most don't even know for what, but we've been doing it quietly.

And that is my final thought for all of you. If you think you can take America try us, we'll run the rivers red with your blood and that's before our Army even starts on you. We might be fat and lazy but we can also see the writing on the wall, and we know better than to openly carry out preparations on the level that a good 10% of Americans have been making

astral_ice.....

What you speak of is true.

The United states by population (Not including Military) is the most heavily armed country in the entire world.

There are many in the United States that are prepared with weaponry for major urban combat.

As I type all this I can not say that I prepared for any kind of major combat I can say that I own many firearms (handguns, Shotguns, Assult Rifles) and do very much enjoy taking them out on the Range very regullarly as many Americans Do.

People wish for this country to collapse as leeches wish for their host to die.

Hey Leeches..... You will perish also in the process.

-Reason

Will the USA eventually crumble? You betcha, history shows us that. Will it cause "the end of the world"? Nope, sure won't. Empires rise and fall. When they fall, for a time trade slumps, but it picks up, the best managed nation rises to a superpower, and away you go again.

I'm sure when the roman or british empires collapsed they caused SOME disruption across the globe, but well...we're still sitting here today in our comfy rooms with our modern computers, food in the fridge and clothes on our back.

And yes, I know, the british empire hasn't completly disappeared, but it is so weak and small now compared to what it used to be it may as well not exist.

Man, talk about something needing to fall. This thread should do some of that...

I just don�t see why most believe what happened in the past is a forecast for the future... I just can�t comprehend.

Yes, some of the higher ups in this country may act snobby at times but you must understand that it comes with the territory. If you�re country will ever become or has ever been in our position I can guarantee that they will act the same, though, id rather not be dictated under a country that forces communism and runs over its people with tanks... I don�t understand why a country can dislike another country for conducting its business that has nothing to do with its country. Most of the things we do have never, and will never affect you or you�re country. We don�t send our militaries in to ramsack, rape, and kill. If those things happen they are on the small scale and done by small groups with bad judgment, a product of any country.

It's only logical to give a situation time to see how it pans out but this nonsense talk about signs of the country falling in the near future is pure blasphemy... The economy is slipping, though, it still healthier then it was at the start of the mid-late '90s economic boom and while it is slipping slightly it is still expanding, reaching new levels and adapting to the ever changing world.

I can understand the hatred towards our country if you where affected by our actions in the past or if you have had bad experiences but besides that, its pure, unbufferd Jealousy.
Whether you�re wish it to come true or not you had better hope it be gradual as if the U.S. completely fell the world would go into a deep, deep, depression that it may never rise out of due to it's lack of order and ever decreasing resourced, its lack of innovations, the fact that we are all interwoven and the fact that we do keep order to an extent whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

Anyway, by the time we are 'due to fall' we should be expanding into space and most of our influence would be projected down.
Besides, who knows, we all may end up working together in eh future, eh?

I find this thread a good read none the less...

I love America!!
One reason if she falls, blame the anti-war protestors for running to the other side. LOL
I laugh at those who give up so easy and stomp around saying it is not fair. Veterans like myself say bring it on, we will perish in the fight to make a difference in this world because of freedom we shall always seek.
Aye, Matey! I sail the seven seas in the wake of storms upon the water. Remember, matey, never let the dream die for FREEDOM!!

oh man i'm not even going to get started on this topic...


all i' mgoing to say is, i hope i live to see the day america falls.

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It will not happen, if the world would give the Guardians the chance to bring forth the stones that were given to them.
It was known to the rainbow people as Native Americans are told through the times. It is hard for them to come forward since the Great White Father does not have the time to listen, nor the World. This was a post last year of the Native American prophecies thread, it is sad that every post and repost prophecies of what will happen according to other sources. May be if we give the Native Americans a voice to be heard, all things could turn itself around as far as the world is concern to have peace. Everyone is at odds, making comments from different side at who is at fault (including myself, guilty as charged) while the barriers of the ancient prophecies sit and watch silently. It is funny, I have respect more for the Native American than I do to any government in the world. You may think it is a story but what if the stones are true. Who do we blame for not being taught through each generations of what we should of be told of ancient texts that we all should of had knowledge to?

Will America fall? Yes.

When? Who knows. This year, next year, the next decade, the next century, it impossible to tell. No one knows whats around the corner.

When it falls will it result in the end of the world? No.

When it does will economic and political turmoil ensue? Yes.

And whoever said that the US should never had liberated France, by not doing so wouldn't you have been betraing your values of freedom.

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by TheConservative


What he probably means is that the U.S. is the strongest country/empire the world has right now. Greatness will be defined only if we outlast the time span of the great ancient empires. We are the only superpower left, but China and Russia may get back into the game in some point in time; it should be peaceful though.

Just a small correction.

US is the strongest country right now.

Out,
Russian

Hum.............shall we say, may be.

I have a bit of news for you all..........The USofA will fall someday but
before that happens, it will take the world with it! Why do I say this?
Because throughout history the fall of any empire was associated with
a power vacuum which led to Dark ages and or World Wars.

You have to destroy the Old to get the New and in this day and age with
Nuclear and scalar weapons, their will be no new world to rebuild.
(Not one that I would want to be part of anyway). We would literly
start at prehistoric times again.

The current world wide anti U.S. sentiment is a symptom of a deeper
feeling of wanting to get rid of the top 1% who control Russia, China,
USA and Europe, the U.S. is just a reflection of this power. That of course
will cause the above mentioned scenerio which will lead to the end
of this age.

Wake up people, MONEY is the source of all REAL Evil, and as long as any
form of money is around, their will be HATE, ENVY, PAIN, MISERY and general ill will towards others. It doesn't matter what country you come from, Money always causes arrogance, which leads to the other mentioned
negative emotions. Get rid of money and mankind will evolve to what we are supposed to be..........enlightened beings living in harmony with
our creator.

Get this straight. THE WORLD DOES NOT HATE THE USA.

THE WORLD HATES THIS ADMINISTRATION.

Yes, they want to come here to make their dreams come true, they'll risk their lives on floats etc, YES THIS IS THE BEST COUNTRY ON EARTH AS FAR AS OPPORTUNITY.
BUT be ready to work like a dog to make that dream come true.

I've lived and travelled in different countries and we are not hated. People are curious and wish they could be here- thats all.

Thats the problem with this country. The arrogance will be our undoing.

FYI; the quality of life is much better anywhere than in the USA. thats right. Nobody's in a rush and people have more time to spend with their families. Other countries offer incredible beauty as well Its rare to hear of someone dying of a heart attack or stroke too. I know.

The good comes with the bad.

If you've never left your town get yourself a ticket out and see the world for what it is.

Nothing better in life than being humble about your country. Love it and speak well of it but dont shoot your mouths off as to how much better we are than anyone else. We are not.

End of Rant.