Who INVENTED god?

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. " --Einstein

Originally posted by Leveller
I go along with the reinvention theory that was stated earlier in this thread.
There isn't anything that exists that has not been created by something else.

I believe that logic dictates that there is a God.

Technically you are most correct in my opinion.

Originally posted by Leveller
I go along with the reinvention theory that was stated earlier in this thread.
There isn't anything that exists that has not been created by something else.

I believe that logic dictates that there is a God.

Logic dictates that the normal way of thinking doesn't work for "extremes things". You have been created by your mother, your mother is created by that mother and so on. That is logic. What is the logic of some-one creating the universe? While action-reaction shows the universe was already there forever.

Where is the logic in saying everything has been created by something else, but there must be something which isn't created?

Isn't it more logic that holding on to the idea everything was created by something else, instead of saying that there was also something which wasn't created but created everything, that isn't logic, just some form of thinking brains apply to give answers to something they can't understand to easy, the "extreme things".

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Singularity doesn't exist

If you would say it started with the Big Bang, you would have to say it started somewhere, because before that there was nothing (that is what many people believe). From nothing came something, and that is where time began.

Newer theories however show it isn't really a singularity (0 dimensional point with all the mass of the universe), but that it has still length, width, hight and most importantly, therefore also time. So the Big Bang probably wasn't the beginning of time, just the beginning of a new universe.

E=MC2 still works, because the laws of physics still work (no 0 dimensional point) and therefore the Big Bang was also created by something, but not by a God, but by the laws of physics themselves. A universe became a singularity, and that became the Big Bang.

This would mean time is endless, and so where is the logic that everything was created by something else, except for ofcourse a God, because he wasn't created and created everything. While in fact everything was already there, and Big Bang wasn't the beginning of time, because there was no beginning.

And that are the "extreme things" which takes for some people time to realise and to understand, but before that, rather look at yourself, and ask yourself what is really the logic behind the thought "everything is a creation of something, but then there was also something that created but wasn't created".

Originally posted by GeniusSage
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. " --Einstein

He said that he didn't believe in a perosnal God. That doesn't mean that he doesn't believe in a God. People who believe in God do not always believe that God is some bearded figure in the sky. They, like Einstein don't believe that God is a person, but a universal intelligence (for lack of a better word right now).


All of the following quotes were made by Einstein, which shows that he did believe in God, bot not a personal God.

"I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals Himself in the harmony of all being.
(Schilpp, 1969, 103)

"I'm not much with people, and I'm not a family man. I want my peace. I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomena in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details."
(Clarck, 1971, 18-19)

The scientist's religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
(Iain, 1982, 57)

you have free will to believe whatever you want, leave it at that

i did not believe in god until science proved to me there is a god , but that is my opinion and i will not use it to influence anyone.

You know there will be this question.

How did science prove to you that there is a god???

Just curious...

thebandit, how do u know there is a god?

bandit, it all started with a book named darwins black box, i don't remember the authors name though.

Untill now it's just a belief. I was brought up catholic. Now I don't really believe in God that way. I just look in alll religions for the similarities of the deities and what is compatible with scientific theory. And current scientific theory does not leave out the possibility that there is a God at all. (the holographic theory is an example, field theory and consciousness studies are examples). Science it it's present form can not prove that God does not exist.

One way to really find out is by having an Astral projection and going straight to the source. I haven't reached that far yet. I've only reached about 10 feet away from my body untill now. I've read stories of people actually facing the Source (which they say is the densest concentration of the creator). I want to reach there some day.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
How about God invented him- or herself???

ok answer this....if you dont exist, how can you create yourself? after all if you are there, you dont exist so how can you create yourself if you arent there? if he created himself then he was already there which now means there are two of him, double trouble.


and a couple posts later....why cant we question this? good point, why cant we? we have a brain that allows us to think freely and form our own opinions, we are born with a certain curiosity of the world around us and we have a desire to learn and in order to learn we have to ask questions to get the answers we need to learn.

so why not question this? why not ask the questions so we might learn a little more? i think some people feeling if a person question such things they are just cynical and are being rude. this doesnt make it so however.

i eprsonally want to know who invented god and why. i can figure out the why, the explain what they could not understand. for a long time people didnt understand lightning and thought it was gods wrath, or a volcano was gods wrath. they view bad things happening with god being angry. to explain it this way made sense back then but doesnt now. we know what lightning is how it acts and how its created, we know how a volcano erupts and we are learning why. we know why earthquakes happen. the idea of god was used to explain what was then not understood and people for as long as i can tell have had this need to explain everything or find an explanation for everything that happens (hence our nature to question everything we see and dont see)

i also think it was a means to control other people and have them live a certain way of life decided for them by someone else. it seems humans are also obsessed with trying to control others and get others to live THEIR way of life.

do i want to open the evolution can of worms?

well said tpm.

once we couldnt explain earthquakes... so we put it down to god. now we cant explain how the universe began, we put that down to god. (we as in.... christians. not that im a christian. ... ill shutup.)

Yes Geniussage that must be it, that explains the hundreds of thousands of pages ofcourse, that I didn't thought of that before.

Originally posted by LeenBekkemaa

Originally posted by Leveller
I go along with the reinvention theory that was stated earlier in this thread.
There isn't anything that exists that has not been created by something else.

I believe that logic dictates that there is a God.

Where is the logic in saying everything has been created by something else, but there must be something which isn't created?

Read my post again. I don't say the words that you attribute to me. In fact I state the opposite.

Oke I stand corrected.
But why do you say then that logic dictates there is a God. Most people don't believe God was created...

Don't know what you mean really, but if you meant the opposite why did you say logic dictates a God then?


[Edited on 20-12-2003 by LeenBekkemaa]

Prankmonkey...

That's not what I meant. Read the post I made on the first page of the is thread...

(posted on 14-12-2003 at 08:21 PM Post Number: 294140)

Originally posted by xenongod
Don't question Him...just respect the universe that He created.

But xenongod, God told us to Question all things

"Who INVENTED god?"

Probably someone who was scared that there was no predestinated divine plan.

Many people get side tracked by one basic issue and I notice that it is not really understood by people and that is the soul is a product of light.

It does not matter if the dark exists or if it was before or after or it is this or that or whatever. If you are a product of the light that is creation than that is what you should belong to or return to or be loyal to.

Don't let atheists, agnostics, satanists, occultists and any other people drifting towards the darkness to direct you from the right track. They have freedom of choice to move wherever they wish as do you.

Originally posted by THENEO
Many people get side tracked by one basic issue and I notice that it is not really understood by people and that is the soul is a product of light.

It does not matter if the dark exists or if it was before or after or it is this or that or whatever. If you are a product of the light that is creation than that is what you should belong to or return to or be loyal to.

Don't let atheists, agnostics, satanists, occultists and any other people drifting towards the darkness to direct you from the right track. They have freedom of choice to move wherever they wish as do you.

THENEO, thats interesting. You may be correct in your assumpts that some may belong to that of light entities and others of dark entities by nature

[Edited on 20-12-2003 by Sapphire]