Who INVENTED god?

Originally posted by THENEO
Many people get side tracked by one basic issue and I notice that it is not really understood by people and that is the soul is a product of light.

It does not matter if the dark exists or if it was before or after or it is this or that or whatever. If you are a product of the light that is creation than that is what you should belong to or return to or be loyal to.

Don't let atheists, agnostics, satanists, occultists and any other people drifting towards the darkness to direct you from the right track. They have freedom of choice to move wherever they wish as do you.

THENEO, thats interesting. You may be correct in your assumpts that some may belong to that of light entities and others of dark entities by nature

"I have no idea why my post came out twice"


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Originally posted by xenongod
Don't question Him...just respect the universe that He created.

DON'T question?
Just accept blindly like the sheep they want us to be?

I think not... that is not the purpose for this forum.
why be here if we are not to question? Then what is the purpose?


God was most likely created by whatever being claimed to be god... or by some power hungry man who wanted to have a means to excercise control over those around him.

There seems to be three candidates for the invention of the God we know today. Hebrews, Akhenaton and Zarathusra but the exact most probably candidate depends on the accuracy of dating techniques.
Dating is not easy as most of our debate arises from our Bible suposed to be written around 1000BC that is either 4000 years or 300 years after the events described, that depending on what you believe.
Lets say is was Akhenaten who managed to get the Egyptians to give up all their Gods for the One God following a natural disaster (see Act of God by Graham Phillips) the question remains did he copy the idea from Hebrews then living in Egypt (if they where and if believed in the One God then). Say it was the Hebrews and they had the One God before they moved into Egypt, and as said, Akhenaton borrowed the idea, where did the Hebrews get the idea and why is there no record of it until after they have left Egypt and Akhenaton.

I am not even sure about Zarathusia at all as he seems to have lived later the both the Hebrews and Akhenaton.

My guess would be Akhenaton, or akhenaten, invented God and the hebrews stole it and claimed sole ownership after the natural disaster and leaving Egypt. As for Akhenatens invention, well necessity is the mother of invention. The natural disaster as badly damaged Egypt meaning that the old Gods had failed so a new God had to be invented. Akhenaten's father Tutmosis III had hinted at a universal god that was present in all lands and represented by the Sun. Maybe this explains all the confusion regarding the Sun, the Son of God, the sun/son is the God and so on.

Originally posted by ashley
come on.it has been known since the beginning of time that there is no god.the idea of a god was created by some that wanted to gain control of the others.it worked but not as good as they had planned.the only ones they got control over are the weak and stupid.god is for children and babies.the bible has been proved over and over to be nothing more than a compilation of previous stories with name changes.it is silly,nonsense to talk about god with any sort of seriousness.grow up.

You don't really have a clue what you are talking about, do you?
Ignorance is bliss for some.

reply to post by NotTooHappy

Tell you what, show me God to shake his hand, then I will be convinced that he exists.

reply to post by Boris


First we need to define the word GOD!

There seems to be 100's of definitions out there for everyone each person differing in his belief in God and what God means and stands for.

What is GOD?
or
Who is GOD?

(I don't believe in the 1 GOD theory)

I don't believe 1 GOD could fit into infinity where there must always be something greater endless and forever.

My best shot at your question is:

ET's and Man created most GOD's of earth that we worship.

GOD to me is everything that is good, true, light and life, the creation and the creator.

Humans collectively "invented" God through evolution, ie we developed this way of thinking in order to try and understand the universe, it's the same with science.

Originally posted by Boris
Any ideas who INVENTED God?

Your fellow ancient humans when they acquired consciousness and decided that they were better than animals.

So the creation of a god became to be to make themselves special.

Interesting, this thread has been around even before I became a member.

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reply to post by Boris


" Who INVENTED god? "

Some day, hopefully, you'll get to ask Him yourself.....

reply to post by Boris


The mind of man invented "God". Just a word. What it represents is different to everyone..

Now, I AM, THAT I AM... I can't answer that, we didn't invent ourselves, so an entity having what we call intelligent capacity, invented ourselves. I don't think this threads question can be clarified unless the terms are.

People, groups of people are describing something when they speak of "God", not inventing it. They invent ritual and rite I would say.

I believe what is observed is the truth. Observing dynamic, the natural, not the plans of man.

I believe the question should be: Who invented the concept of god.

I have a possible hypotheses.

All gods (catholic, roman, etc etc) where created as a way for man to explain the things in this world which he did not understand. Back in ancient times there were gods of; war, rain, famine, love, life, water, etc. But, as science and our understanding of these events and phenomenon grows, these gods tend to die out like trends. As you'll notice, there aren't very many people these days that worship Zeus or Athena.

I guess that's what is meant when they say that a god needs followers or else that god dies.

So, I'd say that no one person invented the concept of god. But instead, many people invented the concept of many different gods as a way to explain what could not be explained during that period in time.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
In fact, I think God does appreciate it if we would question him and the reality around us. Makes us stronger and wiser in every way. And it also increases our respect for his creation IMO.

According to the Christian God and the Christian Bible, God did not want us to eat from the Tree Of Knowledge. Why? I'm not certain, I can only speculate. In this same bible, it is said that after eating from this fruit, we became like God, in that we gained knowledge, particularly, that of right and wrong. Maybe, he does not want us to bare the responsibility of knowing this truth. Maybe it's a case of..."You want the truth!?!?! YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!"

But, I doubt that's the case. Maybe he/they do not want us to question him. Maybe he is indeed a selfish God who requires and praises unquestioned obedience. Well, that's what I get from the Christian God anyway.

Our forefather Abraham, according to the Gospel of Jesus and the Holy Qur'an asked this very same question to his father when he was seven years old.

I will share this story with you. You can make your own conclusion, as your faith dictates to you.

Jesus replied: "Abraham was seven years old when he began to seek God. So one day he said to his father: 'Father, what made man?' The foolish father answered: 'Man [made man]; for I made you, and my father made me.' Abraham answered: 'Father, it is not so; for I have heard an old man weeping and saying: 'O my God, why have you not given me children?'' His father replied: 'It is true, my son, that God helps man to make man, but he does not put his hands to [the task]; it is only necessary that man come to pray to his God and to give him lambs and sheep, and his God will help him.' Abraham answered: 'How many gods are there, father?' The old man replied: 'They are infinite in number, my son.'

Then Abraham said: 'O father, what shall I do if I serve one god and another [god] wishes me evil because I do not serve him? In any case discord will come between them, and so war will arise among the gods. And if, perhaps, the god that wills me evil shall slay my own god, what shall I do? It is certain that he will slay me also. The old man, laughing, answered: "O son, have no fear, for no god makes war upon another god; no, in the great temple there are a thousand gods with the great god Baal; and I am now near seventy years old, and yet never have I seen that one god has smitten another god. And assuredly all men do not serve one god, but one man one, and another."
Abraham answered: "So, then, they have peace among themselves?" His father said: "They have." Then said Abraham: "O father, what be the gods like?" The old man answered: "Fool, every day I make a god, which I sell to others to buy bread, and you know not what the gods are like!" And then at that moment he was making an idol. "This," said he, "is of palm wood, that one is of olive, that little one is of ivory: see how fine it is! Does it not seem as though it were alive? Assuredly, it lacks but breath!"

Abraham answered: "And so, father, the gods are without breath? Then how do they give breath? And being without life, how give they life? It is certain, father, that these are not God." The old man was wroth at these words, saying: "If you were of age to understand, I would break your head with this axe: But hold your peace, because you have not understanding!" Abraham answered: "Father, if the gods help to make man, how can it be that man should make the gods? And if the gods are made of wood, it is a great sin to burn wood. But tell me, father, how is it that, when you have made so many gods, the gods have not helped you to make so many other children that you should become the most powerful man in the world?"

The father was beside himself, hearing his son speak so; the son went on: "Father, was the world for some time without men?" Yes," answered the old man, "and why?" "Because," said Abraham, "I should like to know who made the first God." "Now go out of my house!" said the old man, "and leave me to make this god quickly, and speak no words to me; for, when you are hungry you desire bread and not words." Abraham said: "A fine god, truly, that you cut him as you will, and he defends not himself!" Then the old man was angry, and said: "All the world says that it is a god, and you, mad fellow, say that it is not. By my gods, if you were a man I could kill you!" And having said this, he gave blows and kicks to Abraham, and chased him from the house."

The disciples laughed over the madness of the old man, and stood amazed at the prudence of Abraham. But Jesus reproved them, saying: "You have forgotten the words of the prophet, who says: Present laughter is a herald of weeping to come, and further, You shall not go where is laughter, but sit where they weep, because this life passes in miseries." Then Jesus said, "In the time of Moses, know you not that for laughing and mocking at others God turned into hideous beasts many men of Egypt? Beware that in anywise you laugh not at any one, for you shall surely weep [for it]."

The disciples answered: "We laughed over the madness of the old man." Then Jesus said: "Truly I say to you, every like loves his like, and therein finds pleasure. Therefore, if you were not mad you would not laugh at madness. They answered: "My God have mercy on us. Jesus said: "So be it."
Then said Philip: "O master, how came it to pass that Abraham's father wished to burn his son?" Jesus answered: "One day, Abraham having come to the age of twelve years, his father said to him: "Tomorrow is the festival of all the gods; therefore we shall go to the great temple and bear a present to my god, great Baal. And you shall choose for yourself a god, for you are of age to have a god."

Abraham answered with guile: "Willingly, O my father." And so betimes in the morning they went before every one else to the temple. But Abraham bare beneath his tunic an axe hidden. Whereupon, having entered into the temple, as the crowd increased Abraham hid himself behind an idol in a dark part of the temple. His father, when he departed, believed that Abraham had gone home before him, wherefore he did not stay to seek him.

When every one had departed from the temple, the priests closed the temple and went away. Then Abraham took the axe and cut off the feet of all the idols, except the great god Baal. At its feet he placed the axe, amid the ruins which the statues made, for they, through being old and composed of pieces, fell in pieces. Thereupon, Abraham, going forth from the temple, seen by certain men, who suspected him of having gone to thieve something from the temple. So they laid hold on him, and having arrived at the temple, when they saw their gods so broken in pieces, they cried out with lamentation: "Come quickly, O men, and let us slay him who has slain our gods!" There ran together there about ten thousand men, with the priests, and questioned Abraham of the reason why he had destroyed their gods.

Abraham answered: "You are foolish! Shall then a man slay God? It is the great God that has slain them. See you not that axe which he has near his feet? Certain it is that he desires no fellows."

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Then arrived there the father of Abraham, who, mindful of the many discourses of Abraham against their gods, and recognizing the axe wherewith Abraham had broken in pieces the idols, cried out: "It has been this traitor of a son of mine, who has slain our gods! for this axe is mine." And he recounted to them all that had passed between him and his son. Accordingly the men collected a great quantity of wood, and having bound Abraham's hands and feet put him upon the wood, and put fire underneath.
'Lo! God, through his angel, commanded the fire that it should not burn Abraham his servant. The fire blazed up with great fury, and burned about two thousand men of those who had condemned Abraham to death. Abraham truly found himself free, being carried by the angel of God near to the house of his father, without seeing who carried him; and thus Abraham escaped death."

Then Philip said: "Great is the mercy of God upon whoever loves him. Tell us, O master, how Abraham came to [have] the knowledge of God." Jesus answered: "Having arrived near to the house of his father, Abraham feared to go into the house; so he removed [himself] some distance from the house and sat under a palm tree, where, being by himself, he said:"There must be a God who has life and power more than man, since he makes man, and man without God could not make man."

Thereupon, looking round upon the stars, the moon, and the sun, he thought that they had been God. But after considering their variableness with their movements, he said: "It must be [necessarily] that God does not move and that clouds do not hide him [as they hide the planets]; otherwise men would be reduced to nothing." Remaining thus in suspense, he heard himself called by name, "Abraham!" And so, turning round and not seeing any one on any side, he said: "I am sure I heard myself called by name, 'Abraham. " Then, two other times in a similar manner, he heard himself called by name, "Abraham!"

He answered: "What calls me?" Then he heard [the voice] say: "I am the angel of God, Gabriel." Abraham was filled with fear; but the angel comforted him, saying: "Do not fear, Abraham, for you are friend of God When you broke in pieces the gods of men, you were chosen [by] the God of the angels and prophets such that you are written in the Book of Life." Then said Abraham: "What should I do [so as] to serve the God of the angels and holy prophets?" The angel answered: "Go to that fount and wash yourself, for God wishes to speak with you."

Abraham answered: "How should I wash myself?" Then the angel appeared to him as a beautiful youth, and washed himself in the fount, saying: "Do the same as this, O Abraham." When Abraham had washed himself, the angel said: "Go up that mountain, for God wilshes to speak to you there." Abraham ascended the mountain as the angel [had instructed him], and having sat down upon his knees he said to himself: "When will the God of the angels speak to me?" He heard himself called with a gentle voice: "Abraham!" Abraham answered him: "Who calls me?" The voice answered: "I am your God, O Abraham."

Abraham, filled with fear, bent his face to earth, saying: "How shall your servant who is dust and ashes hearken to you!" Then said God: "Fear not, but rise up, for I have chosen you as my servant, and I will bless you and make you increase into a great people. Therefore go forth from the house of your father and of your kindred, and come to dwell in the land which I will give to you and to your seed."

Abraham answered: "I will do everything, Lord; but guard me [so] that no other god may harm me." Then God spoke, saying: "I am God alone, and there is none other god but me. I strike down, and make whole; I slay, and give life; I lead down to hell, and I bring out thereof, and no-one is able to deliver himself out of my hands." Then God gave him the covenant of circumcision; and so our father Abraham knew God." And having said this, Jesus lifted up his hands, saying: "To you be honour and glory, O God. So be it!"

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I hope the story of our forefather Abraham contributed to your topic. And I hope it answered your question... who invented God?

The God of our forefather has no beginning and no end, He is God alone, without partner, who gives life and causes death. Praise be to God, Lord of all the Worlds.

Peace!

to me, god is a universal consciousness/knowledge that has always just existed. god is the sum of all parts in the universe that spans all timelines including the present past and future of the universe. I believe time is non linear and the past, present and future all exist at the same 'time' (which to me means there is no beginning or end). In a way, we as a whole are god since god experiences the universe through the near infinite amount of lifeforms in this universe, which makes life fair. Even if you are a starving child in Africa, your life is fair because you have already/will experience every life through the eyes of every being ever conceived. God does not care if you believe in God. Because we are individual conscious entities with free will who just happen to be a tiny slice of God's consciousness.

those are my thoughts about it all over the last year. I don't know or care if it's true, It helps me just sit back and enjoy my short time here on earth

reply to post by sdrawkcabII


We couldn't handle such a powerful tool. Like giving a chainsaw to a 4 year old and hoping he'll use it correctly. You wouldn't. If someone else put it in his hands though, he will certainly injure himself if he activates ("bites the apple so to speak") it.

Huanity thrust itself into a state of being it is not capable of handling.

You yourself may have things "under control", but the organism of humanity, all men and women together creating a living entity, it is far out of control.

It's like cancer, our body is killing itself everday with bullets, bombs, chemicals, and poison ideas.

I created God,

I swear hes been a problem ever since, the old testament? Yea that was his terrible twos. Shesh oh pete what a little brat. Hes getting better now. but in the beginning whoa nelly! Right now hes in his teenage years. "sigh" thinks hes too good to talk to anyone except his friends on the phone for hours. Thinks he knows everything too. I just hope it's a phase.

Genesis 1:1 - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

Genesis 1:26,27 - 26 "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them. "

God invented man, and not the other way around.

Zoroaster (or Zarathustra) (c. 638-c. 553 BC)
Persian prophet and religious teacher, founder of Zoroastrianism. Zoroaster believed that he had seen God, Ahura Mazda, in a vision. His first vision came at the age of 30 and, after initial rejection and violent attack, he converted King Vishtaspa. Subsequently, his teachings spread rapidly, becoming the official religion of the kingdom.

He invented the one god creator of the universe theory as far as I know. If you study religion with an open mind, the hierarchy of it all pretty much discloses that religion is a philosophy used by men to control all women and lower cast male slaves.

" Who INVENTED god? "


I know who took the Word of God and used it for personal gain.

I know who threw the baby out with the bathwater for thinking that all preachers of The Word are liars.

I know who lumped all religions together like they were a Chef making some kind of stew to be tossed out, and not eaten.

I know who, has not only, not read, nor understood the Letter He wrote to us, but also have the nerve to act like they did.

I know who is in Darkness and who is Confused.

That's the only way I know how to answer the question.





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