Who INVENTED god?

reply to post by NotTooHappy


I think I've fallen in love.
Thankyou for your posts, I agree wholeheartedly and I think that we're passed the time of worrying about offending people because frankly, I get offended by religious bigots, violence and intolerance every day.
Yes, I am aware of the incongruity of my statements, I was taught well, just by living in a 'religious' society.

Well done to the religious-types who instantly posted "He's the alpha and the omega"/"He has always been", etc. You're indoctrination has taken hold and is firmly rooted - good for you!

But reality shows us it was Akhenaten who invented monotheism, some time around 1350BC, when he (correctly) established that the Sun was the single source of all life on Earth, and therefore is realistically the only god.

His reforms were quite unpopular and reversed very rapidly following his death, but it appears that the priests that supported him fled to Canaan, giving birth to the Moses legend (you may have noticed that "moses" is an Egyptian word that means "born of", for example: Thutmose and Rameses. The Hebrews were so brazen about it all they did was remove the name of the god to claim the person as their own).

So, all those following the Abrahamic religions like they offer some kind of salvation:

You worship the Egyptian Sun God. I know you don't like the idea, but there you go.

this is what pisses me off about the whole thing. since when is god a person? why can't it just be a power? or as i would prefer to look at is as futurama presents it as a cluster of stars out in space (no i dont believe in god but if i did this would be it).
the 'idea' of a god has been around for yonks, but i totaly agree with RANT; every Yin creates its own Yang.

Yeah, sorry about this whole God ordeal... So me and uncle Frank were sitting around having a couple brews, came up with this invisible man the clouds deal. Cant believe you guys bought it

I content searched my way through this thread and found that no one mentioned astrology. As far as I can see, in the early days of civilisation, after people had gone from hunter-gatherer to farmer with agriculture, people invented the science of astrology believing that it had an impact on the weather, thusly, the crops. Many ancient peoples knew how central the sun where to the harvest and food and life, so it's no supprise that the sun is the single most worshipped thing ever.

I think at some stage, man decided that the sun was animate and intelligent (and for some reason believed that it beheld man with great interest) eventually deciding that it created the universe.

This is where you get the claim that Jesus = Horus or Jesus worship is sun worship.

Man invented God when he decided that the sun created man. This is not a strange idea when you think that they held it as the singe life giving thing which when you think about it is quite accurate when you think about how energy moves through the ecosystem.

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Originally posted by Boris
Any ideas who INVENTED God?

Man did, to make themselves feel superior because someone like them created everything

Ignorance...deny it!

[edit on 30-9-2008 by Tomis_Nexis]

reply to post by junglejake


With respect Jungle- nobody,not one person on the planet,knows for sure whether god is a he,a she,a they or an it (or even if he/she/they/it exists at all).
Man has worshipped/invented so many deities down the years that it seems futile to speculate.
As for the abrahamic god,he seems to me to be a bit of a homicidal sociopath (but thats just my opinion).
Perhaps in the end thats all we have...opinion.
Ive always liked this quote:
"The more and more I study organised religion the more and more I realise that man has never worshipped anything but himself".
Cheers Karl



[edit on 01/12/01 by karl 12]

reply to post by xenongod


too bad he's not real!

reply to post by karl 12

Originally posted by karl 12
With respect Jungle- nobody,not one person on the planet,knows for sure whether god is a he,a she,a they or an it (or even if he/she/they/it exists at all).

With respect, karl- nobody, not one person on the planet, knows for sure that nobody, not one person on the planet, knows for sure whether god is a he, a she, a they, or an it (or even if he/she/they/it exists at all).

The reason why my statement is truer than yours: while I can't know what every person on the planet knows, I DO know that omnipotence is a PHYSICAL (ie. within the realm of physics) impossibility.

[edit on 11-10-2008 by babloyi]

It's interesting to note that when tribes were found in the interiors of jungles, these very primitive peoples had developed a type of religion that doesn't too far stray from every other religion. It had something to do with the sky. Something away from Earth. That was where awe was. That's where life came from. It's also interesting to note that most religions can easily become metaphors for the natural workings of planets as viewed from the Earth, which the Mayans took to a different level. Druids had mapped the sky as well and gave names to the things that happened. In a time when your language and communication was limited and still developing, when all you knew is what you saw, yet had no capacity to understand it, the sun easily became a central God with the stars as lesser gods (eventually becoming angels). This take this a step higher. Science knows that when observing animals in the wild you do not interfere because of the way it could affect the natural cycles of the animal. If you're watching a herd of animals for years, no matter how attached you may be, you still have to sit back and watch them be eaten by another animal. Helping could form bonds, interfering with certain animals could have bad effects where the animals look to you as an alpha. That destroys the point of study. Now, there have been times when researchers have stepped into and communicated with these much less advanced tribes. What happened was either the researchers were viewed as bad omens or demons of sorts, or they became gods. It makes perfect sense that humans, in the event of misunderstanding would use their powerful imaginations to make sense of the subject. Sometimes blissful ignorance is far more comfortable than the confusion realization you have no idea what is going on. Einstein belived in a type of god, Einstein was a smart man, which is why his views on god served to only fill in holes in places he did not understand about his own theories. You don't have to be stupid to believe in a god, you just have to not know and need a filler. Once upon a time epilepsy was demon posession, but we know better. Most of the Bible and what once was religious has been challenged by science greatly as well as naturally changed with society. Once upon a time it was seen as a sin to wear makeup to church because the Bible mentions marking the skin to be a sin. Things change, gods change with them, the reasons are always still the same.

reply to post by babloyi


Great Post....we should discuss this god thing with the nearest black hole...I am sure its' answer would end this question for ever.

The idea of god has been around since the beginning of mankind... as a symbol of why we are here and what couldve created us. People want an answer to why were alive, what purpose we have for being here... We want to believe there is something in the universe that created us and that looks over us. Without believing there is something like that out there... it would be an incredibly lonely and confusing world. Whether you believe in god in the religious sense of things, or in your own belief of god... it sure is lonely to think we are here all alone, and to think there will be nothing of us once we die.

Even if theres not... believing that there is something more out there gets a lot of us through our hardest days.

reply to post by calihan123


I don't completely agree. The need for a purpose, I believe, came after all humanity had been convinced that there was God(s). I think that if you have an atheist society, you won't get the "What is the meaning of life" question popping up. The earliest man who could conscientiously think would have been atheist, the advent of agriculture and astronomy is where most deities came out of.

IF HE WAS INVENTED HE WILL NOT BE A GOD HE WILL BE A CREATED CREATURE

reply to post by eagle33


I think it's pretty obvious at this point that the op is talking about the concept of God.

reply to post by ashley


Nope, can't agree with that logic. The native Americans along with ALL tribes and beginnings of man have always felt a desire or belief in a "God" or a being that created all things.

It is in our nature to seek out our creator. Something deep within our spirit tells us that we are a part of something much bigger then what we know.

Peace,
Grandma

reply to post by Grandma


Or more likely it's always primatives who are looking to improve crops, spawning the idea that something incomprehensible may have power over it. That's why there are always dozens instead of just one.

it would be pretty cool if he can show us some signs that he really exists?
why wait till we are dead? that way people can really beleive and change this crazy world?i am very curious and dont know what side to lean on or beleive?

I suppose early man might have just used an 'omnipotent' and 'omniscient' being to explain everything around them. We tend to do that, when we cant explain something, we fill in the gaps and leave it be.

But i believe God is something more and i believe God is real and is omnipotent. But who actually first thought of the idea? We dont know, and we wont know... for now.