UCLA Police Taser Student For Not Showing ID W/Video

I found this on a game industry website (www.thechaosengine.com).

I know SLF, and I can believe this, see my earlier post too (p17, third one down).

sillylittlefreak
Gamer

I'm not going to read this thread, just wanted to say this:

I know people who were there. I know people who are friends with this kid.

He has stated in the past he likes to provoke people, he provoked the LEOs on purpose, and he deserved what he got.

What saddens me is that some of my friends are up in arms about this, yet at the same time think the Borat film should be boycotted. Once this kid is exposed for the coward and charlatan he is, the irony in their beliefs will be readily apparent.

Shame on him, shame on everybody who is buying into the police brutality bull#, and extra heapings of shame on the race baiters who are trying to turn this even further into something it is not.

Now take a deep breath and let it out.

More:

He was completely capable of getting up and complying. Instead he keeps trying to get a negative reaction. On purpose. Like he #ing planned. Most of that video is about appearance, and what he is doing was completely planned to provoke a reaction. He shouldn't have confided in so many people beforehand.

You bought it hook, line, and sinker.

The kid is a complete asshole, and yes he did deserve it.

A third post:

His friends, however, have already left too many remarks littering the net exposing him for the fraud he is. He'll get a quick settlement and cash out while all you people crying abuse will apparently never realize you have all been suckered.

Since the kid has already retained a lawyer and is suing over racial profiling I'm not commenting any further.

30 seconds of pain and a well planted cameraman for a few million dollars in hush-money? Such a deal!

[edit on 19-11-2006 by 2stepsfromtop]

[edit on 19-11-2006 by 2stepsfromtop]

Originally posted by neformore
Question for the right wingers posting here.

What would everyones reaction to this have been had this video been of a white person of American origion - maybe kid in a Tehran University?

I theorise that the Answer would be as follows

You would be calling the guards animals and suggesting that it would be worth nuking the country to stop such a blatant violation of someones human rights.

This is only the second reference in this thread to race that I have seen and I'm glad you brought it up. If it were a white guy, I think the reactions would have been the same, as it seems to be the priniciple of this matter those upset about this are posting about. But I dont see this as a racial issue, but more of a principality. I do agree with most here that he was tasered excessively but I cant seem to get those upset to realize that I feel that this guy got what he deserved, white, black, asian whatever he may be or could have been.

Whether or not the kid resisted on purpose and screamed louder than normal, I still believe the police went too far. It appeared like the kid or student was lying on the ground not physically threatening anyone at least after the first taser strike. I thought the taser was considered a weapon even though it's usually not lethal. However I still consider the taser a weapon and it can kill on occasion.

I do not believe police should be given the ok to use their weapons on people who are not physically threatening anyone. If they aren't complying, just physically grab them and carry them off. I can't think of someone being in a more defenseless position than lying on the ground when they just got tasered. Accepting this behavior from the police would be like saying next time we have a group of peaceful protesters, it's ok for the police to repeatedly taser them until they leave.

I don't know, perhaps the LA police already consider using the taser acceptable use to achieve compliance whether an individual is a threat or not. I think police on the east coast would have dragged that guy off instead of sticking it to him so many times.

As a result of this incident, I can easily imagine a new line of training for LA officers, if the suspect is lying on the ground after you already stunned him with a taser, don't immediately stick it to him again unless he seems to be able to move an arm or leg and you could argue he could possibly touch you.

Of if the above doesn't happen, the campus could post a notice such as:
Failure to show ID at all times is punishable by TASER!

I would just hope they don't enforce that when you evacuate for dorm room fire alarms at 3 or 4AM in the morning.


[edit on 19-11-2006 by orionthehunter]

quote from ludaChris ...I cant seem to get those upset to realize that I feel that this guy got what he deserved, white, black, asian whatever he may be or could have been.

QUOTE DID NOT WORK PROPERLY - APOLOGIES


I do not need you to get me to realise anything.

And no, IMO he did not get what he deserved. He should have been taken into custody, taken downtown maybe and then questioned. But not tasered.

You are entitled to your opinion just as those of us who have a different point of view are entitled to ours.

Good luck trying to to get us to turnaround our views


In Peace Always
resi

[edit on 19-11-2006 by resistancia]

[edit on 19-11-2006 by resistancia]

guess what, he may very well have planned it. And you know what, the cops screwed up.

The lawsuit would never go through if the cops had actually done what they should have. Had they done what they should have, there would be no lawsuit and nothing to cry abuse about.

He sucked them in probably, and you know what, they fell for it, their own fault.

BTW you would trust some people that say they know people who are friends with them? On a forum, on the internet, some guy says I know some one who knows him, chances are its BS to begin with.

[edit on 19-11-2006 by 2stepsfromtop]

I'm not going to read this thread, just wanted to say this:

I know people who were there. I know people who are friends with this kid.

He has stated in the past he likes to provoke people, he provoked the LEOs on purpose, and he deserved what he got.

What saddens me is that some of my friends are up in arms about this, yet at the same time think the Borat film should be boycotted. Once this kid is exposed for the coward and charlatan he is, the irony in their beliefs will be readily apparent.

30 seconds of pain and a well planted cameraman for a few million dollars in hush-money? Such a deal!
[edit on 19-11-2006 by 2stepsfromtop]

I'm supposed to believe what you posted here because you want it to backup what you are saying?

Even if the guy does like to provoke others there is such a things as rules, regulations governing professional conduct. You seem to be an apologist for this UNPROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOR.

I must also point out something else that I highly doubt has been mentioned in this thread yet:

the student was paying to be there, the rentacops were paid to be there. One is actually a customer or client and the other is an employee of the University.

Guess who blew it?

Also: Borat is a bigot, a racist, and a hypocrite.

Also: he attacks anybody that has the least complaints against Israel and Jewish people. That is why his film is about Kazakhstan.

I'll go one step further and say that Borat is backed as an innocent attack dog via the media which raves over his garbage so that it can further the interest of the media owners.

Take an atlas and see where Kazakhstan is in the world and then know why he is attacking it.

It's called oil and gas pipeline kiddies.

Originally posted by JBurns
Lonegunman, how was that related to this topic at all?

Because his Avatar is the first time I have seen that patch outside of my fathers coat. It was meant for the guy that had "The Rock" Patch for an avatar, it wasnt meant for you or anyone but him to understand. They were a tuff bunch of men that did not see good times in Korea.

Originally posted by denythestatusquo

Also: Borat is a bigot, a racist, and a hypocrite.

Also: he attacks anybody that has the least complaints against Israel and Jewish people. That is why his film is about Kazakhstan.

I'll go one step further and say that Borat is backed as an innocent attack dog via the media which raves over his garbage so that it can further the interest of the media owners.

Take an atlas and see where Kazakhstan is in the world and then know why he is attacking it.

It's called oil and gas pipeline kiddies.

You're joking, right?

You obviously don't even comprehend the man's humor. You're taking it WAY too seriously.

[edit on 19-11-2006 by firebat]

Originally posted by denythestatusquo

Also: Borat is a bigot, a racist, and a hypocrite.

Also: he attacks anybody that has the least complaints against Israel and Jewish people. That is why his film is about Kazakhstan.

I'll go one step further and say that Borat is backed as an innocent attack dog via the media which raves over his garbage so that it can further the interest of the media owners.

Take an atlas and see where Kazakhstan is in the world and then know why he is attacking it.

It's called oil and gas pipeline kiddies.

You're joking, right?

You obviously don't even comprehend the man's humor. You're taking it WAY too seriously.

And for the record-- Sasha Cohen (aka Borat) is Jewish.

[edit on 19-11-2006 by firebat]

Originally posted by LoneGunMan

Originally posted by JBurns
Lonegunman, how was that related to this topic at all?

Because his Avatar is the first time I have seen that patch outside of my fathers coat. It was meant for the guy that had "The Rock" Patch for an avatar, it wasnt meant for you or anyone but him to understand. They were a tuff bunch of men that did not see good times in Korea.

LoneGunMan, I think everybody (or at least alot of of us) else understood where your comment came from ( otherwise you would have had more "comments")and respect it. I myself didn't understand it at first until I looked at his avatar.

Some people don't look at the whole picture when they are addressing what somebody else that has posted.

After reading your first reply about "The Rock", I wondered too what you were referring to, but I backtracked and found out and I found out what you were talking about. People should do that more often before they post replies to posts that they don't really understand.

People need to stop replying to a last post and try to understand each post or thread and what has already been said and the context of it before they reply to.






[edit on 19/11/06 by Keyhole]

Originally posted by svenglezz
Couple points.....

Why the hek' do the security have "Tazzers" ??????
and thank god' they don't have guns' geeeesh......

Those security guy's so BIG .....let's see em go to the
athletics' department see how tuff' they are.

Y'r Canadian friend,
Sven

i'm not sure what security guys you are talking about, but the reason the POLICE OFFICERS have tazers is because they are used as a less lethal weapon. most police departments nowdays are getting them. they are on the use of force continuum before firearms. in layman's terms, you would use a tazer before you would use your gun.
also, what makes you think the police officers aren't armed??

[edit on 20-11-2006 by holymoley]

Originally posted by holymoley...you would use a tazer before you would use your gun.

Not up here! The cops shoot first and ask questions later! And they have white fright too!

Of course I saw them taser someone, but it was because they were lying on the ground face down handcuffed with a knee on their neck, one on the small of the back, and one on each thigh. I guess they secure them so they don't flop around like some frog legs.

----punched 5 times in the face by a cop was not torture either eh----

Here is the link, to the Video and the article....



Video Link

Article Source

Now you tell me, by watchin that video clip, that that is not an abuse of power????

At the end of the day, the police overstepped the mark, by tazerin this student 5 times. Very excessive if you ask me.

Merrick Bobb has been chosen to head the independent investigation into the taser incident.

UCLA Acting Chancellor Norman Abrams Announces Independent Investigation of the Incident at Powell Library

Nov. 17, 2006

UCLA Acting Chancellor Norman Abrams announced today that an independent investigation will be conducted of the incident in Powell Library in which a UCLA student was taken into custody by campus police.

"After careful deliberation, I have decided to accept the recommendation of Police Chief Karl Ross and my senior advisers to establish an independent investigation of this incident," Abrams said. "We have selected Merrick Bobb, who is widely recognized for his integrity and independence in such sensitive matters, to lead this investigation."

Karl Ross, the UCLA police chief, said, "While I am confident of our ability to perform a fair and thorough investigation, I am also cognizant of the need for a transparent review."

source - UCLA Powell Investigation

Some of Merrick Bobb's investigative background:

A. Internal and External Police Oversight in the United States, October 2005


Presentation of Police Oversight (PDF)


B. Civilian Oversight of the Police in the United States by Merrick Bobb, 2003
Civilian Oversight (PDF)

Police Practices Review - 2004(PDF)

All of the above come from: PARC-Police Assessment Resource Center There are many more...

Merrick Bobb @ Vera Institute

Haven't found anything yet about legal representation for the officers involved.

[edit on 11/20/2006 by justgeneric]

Originally posted by denythestatusquo

[edit on 19-11-2006 by 2stepsfromtop]
He has stated in the past he likes to provoke people, he provoked the LEOs on purpose, and he deserved what he got.
[edit on 19-11-2006 by 2stepsfromtop]

I'm supposed to believe what you posted here because you want it to backup what you are saying?

Even if the guy does like to provoke others there is such a things as rules, regulations governing professional conduct. You seem to be an apologist for this UNPROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOR.

I must also point out something else that I highly doubt has been mentioned in this thread yet:

the student was paying to be there, the rentacops were paid to be there. One is actually a customer or client and the other is an employee of the University.

Guess who blew it?

Then I would hazard a guess that you are an Apologist for the UNCIVIL BEHAVIOR of the student?

The LEOs are there to maintain the area so that the educational environment does not get ruined for others by jerks such as this student. The Campus Police are actually Law Enforcement Officers, with all the training, if not more training than the LAPD or LA County Sheriffs.

Note that the Student is known for provoking the LEOs,
note that a camera is already in place to record the incident,
note that when the Law Enforcement Officers try to help the student to his feet, he kicks his feet high into the air in order to fall to the ground, a common tactic used by protestors in demonstrations.
The fact remains that the student told friends of his prior to the incident what he planned, that is premeditation, and conspiracy.

[edit on 20-11-2006 by 2stepsfromtop]

Originally posted by firebat

Originally posted by denythestatusquo

Also: Borat is a bigot, a racist, and a hypocrite.

Take an atlas and see where Kazakhstan is in the world and then know why he is attacking it.

It's called oil and gas pipeline kiddies.

You're joking, right?

You obviously don't even comprehend the man's humor. You're taking it WAY too seriously.

And for the record-- Sasha Cohen (aka Borat) is Jewish.

[edit on 19-11-2006 by firebat]

Sorry Guy but if anybody else did what this joker is doing he would be down and out in a week.

Where is the ACLU on this creep anyways?

How can your run down entire countries, cultures, races, women and even religions and get away with it like this creep is doing?

I say the following: Now that Borat will make who knows $100 Million on this movie then start the lawsuits.. he can afford to pay.

One last comment on the UCLA event, apparently it has been noted that the security there has changed information on their website after the incident as a way to coverup or repair their administrative procedures knowing their mistake made in this incident.

I hope that this has been documented before the court case begins.

Found this interesting too...4 officers (UCLA PD) were given awards by the Taser Manufacturer (plaques not monetary) for using the Tasers to subdue a loon with scissors.

The Meritorious Service/Taser Award was presented to Officers Joseph Eubank, Ethan Shear, Kevin Kay and Dan Jermansen for successfully subduing a patient without harm after he threatened staff at the Neuropsychiatric Hospital with metal scissors.

Source:

UCLA Today Online (Nov.7th, 2006)



Also very interesting: from Taser.com
Taser Law Memorandum

Product Warnings

AND Taser's response to the ACLU: (sorry corrected)

Deadly Rhetoric: How the ACLU of California’s Fight Against Law Enforcement Control Tools Endangers Communities

Deadly Rhetoric (41 page PDF)

Happy reading

[edit on 11/20/2006 by justgeneric]

I love to watch the round-robin of comments being made...

Suddenly it is the SECURITY GUARDS who are at fault and that the suspect was Tazored only because he did not have ID...

How pathetic... Anybody even REMEMBER the facts???

Here. Let me refresh your memory..

Boy in library at 11pm. SECURITY guard asks for ID as it is POLICY to have ID after hours... The boy could have said I do not have it. Left.. Gotten it.. Come back... BUT!!! no... He gets uppity and boldly refuses to give ID multiple times... This act to me is not some "declaration of independence" or "Boston Tea Party"... It is a stupid action taken by someone who really is either an idiot or as was pointed out. Up to a quick settlement. Especially since LA was in mid furror of 2 other "police incedents" at the time this happened...

Security guard WHO HAS NO WEAPONRY!!!! Contacts Campus police.. WHO HAVE WEAPONRY... *Oh yeah.. Since you do not know. Crimes do occur at college. Sorry to burst that utupian-educational-bubble* And they demand his ID or for him to leave... He still refuses... HE STARTS TO INCITE PEOPLE TO RIOT!! *gee.. That would get anybody tazored if you are a cop outnumbered 20 to 2 if you are lucky...* and then gets drug out after tazoring...

So.. lets revue class. No id... No tazor... Refusal to leave Multiple times... No Tazor... Starts to get uppity with officers and starts to incite a riot.. TAZOR!!!!
AMAZING!!! It's like turning on a faucet to see water come out.. IT's like watching bread rise... You make a stink and go from making a PETTY MINOR thing like no ID turn into a potential RIOT situation you get 100,000 volts as a prize!

My apologies to the people who actually have a clue and have looked at the facts. I did not intend to group everyone into the same bubble as I did. The main people I seem to be irritated at are the ones who twist the facts to make it appear like the kid was totally innocent... Or that ignore the facts that the KID could have gone to get his ID at his house and come back... OR Ignore the fact that the security guard DID THE RIGHT THING in contacting campus cops... OR that the cops did the right thing by tazoring the kid when he started to incite classmates to his aid..

Tell you what.. For those of you that do not know what it feels like to be in the middle of a riot much less on the recieving side. Go into a mall.. And start screaming out obscenities and racial slurs to everyone you meet. Eventually a group of people will probably come along and outnumber you and you will be left on the ground a bleeding pile wishing you had at least a tazor... Unless of course the MALL COPS show up and tazor you first... *Sarcasm* *Hmmm... Why do we even HAVE cops in the mall anyway????? /sarcasm*

Edit: Had to clarify Sarcasm



[edit on 20-11-2006 by Annachie]

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THAT!!!!
i totally agree with your entire post.

I'm amazed at the twisted notion some Americans have concerning their relationship with government and *its* responsibility to the populous. No wonder we are in the trouble we are in... :shk:

While you're at it, have some fun justifying these as well.

Arrested (and Tasered) while Seizing

Following yet another in a series of dangerous mishaps involving a police response to a person experiencing a seizure, the Epilepsy Foundation is once again calling for police, emergency medical personnel and other first responders to undergo training and implement protocols to ensure they properly respond in these kinds of situations. The most recent report involves a Michigan man with epilepsy, who, when experiencing a seizure, apparently was unjustifiably tasered, clubbed, arrested, jailed and committed to a psychiatric facility for violent offenders -- all based on non-threatening behaviors caused by a seizure. Fortunately, he was released from the psychiatric facility (after advocacy by the Foundation and its local affiliate) and is doing well at home. However, too many other people experiencing seizures have had encounters with police that have resulted in serious permanent injuries or even death.

More...

And,

Man who was TASERed at council meeting speaks

The man who was TASERed at last week's Saginaw City Council meeting says he never attacked anyone.

Charles Littleton says he was only standing up for his rights -- rights he says society continues to lose every day.

That is what got 22-year-old Littleton in trouble. He didn't obey a rule inside Saginaw City Council chambers. That rule is that all men must remove their hats.

More...

Here's an interesting take:

One police officer's view on the use of tasers

...

It's my view that obedience to government is not a prerequisite to the protection it provides, but a consequence of it. Why so many people have that the other way around is beyond me.


[edit on 20-11-2006 by loam]