Slave Descendants Try to Revive Lawsuit

White slaves and their suffering has been spoken about here through indentured servitude. In fact, it was mentioned in the information of my first post. Even with that, I didn't have to bring it up. You did. By posting that on three different threads, you bought yourself a ticket for the victimhood train. If you weren't a victim, you'd keep the information to yourself and discuss the subject matter as it is.

And you are sorely misunderstood about what position I stand on if you accuse me of my behavior alone. I'm sorry about how other races have had to suffer under the yoke of oppression. But, that isn't this topic. This topic has to do with African-Americans in slavery and the inqiry of reparations. And I think that some do not understand the gravity of what happened. And, they are trying to hide it by bringing up other types of material to steer the topic away.

Explain to me really how someone going to Africa is perfectly in line with the topic of this thread? Going to Africa has nothing to do with the subject matter. Neither does bringing up my other thread.

And because others won't answer is not my fault. People have their own reasons for not answering. I don't control their behavior. This will not be another thread in which I'm burned at the stake because of other people's attitudes.





[edit on 29-9-2006 by ceci2006]

Originally posted by Abstract_P

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Abstract indeed your continent "mother Africa" was the best example to all of humanity in your most glorious empires.

Blacks have made your own culture here in America as well, it constitutes pimps, slappin hoes, beotches, FUBU, Gangsta rap, flaunting the N word, disrespect to women and no regard for the "Family" I knew a family of blacks that grew up down the street from me, 2 sisters and 3 brothers, not one had the same father.

Is that ALL of blacks, no not by far, but that is how your represented, would "mother Africa" be proud?

And you should no, no man will ever get my money. Il leave it at that. I don't give a damn what color you might be, I never enslaved you I in no way hold you back, it is not ME who "forces" kids to drop out of school because BET made them think they are all gangstas, it is not me that "forces" them to join gangs and be "opressed" by society. Start with some self respect and stop blaming others for personal failures.

Ceci, who started the slave trade? Dutch did actually, not British and they recieved them through other African tribes that took over another tribe.

And you should also note that groups like KKK and NAACP are in no way the same.

Sir, first of all you believe too much of what you see on television and no one even wears FUBU anymore, lol! No you personally may not be the cause of the problems my culture has, but your peers have alot to do with it. This capitalistic empire that oppresses my people purposely, in order to increase their profit and widen the gap between the rich and poor. Your rich politicans and their pork belly budgets. The privatized prison systems that snatch our youths off the streets for their cheap labor.

But you no what enough pointing fingers, whites are right about that, my people to point figures to much but intially it is the West that has my people in this postion. Presently it is us. The situation as I analyze it; my grandfathers, fathers, and brothers, opened the door for my people to strive and prosper through the civil rights movements. We as a people have yet to take advantage of those rights given. You know what though, we are going to change that. We are awakening as a people once more, and utilize our resources we must. If this country is truely a demrocracy than there shouldn't be any problems with us doing so. Don't be fooled by what you see on TV. Don't be suprised when you see roses growing from the concrete. Keep your dollars. Empires rise and they fall, your dollar will be worthless soon. The Earth is cleansing herself of her impurities, we "the so called blacks" the cochroaches of the world will still be here, to reclaim what is rightfully ours. True History is priceless.

As for another comment above. Isn't common practice that when a nation plunders another they also destroy their knowledge base, libraries, museums, universities, tomb and pyramid paintings. Much of pre-european African history was destroyed in war. Our history was stolen from us, now Eurocentric Scholars make up their own versions of our his-story. Maybe if Africa wasn't destroyed by the likes of Alexander the Plunder, Napolean the Treacherous and many more we would have better documentation of African History.

Neither Alexander nor Napolean conquered a "Black African" empire my friend. Middle Eastern Empires, Asian Empires.. not what your thinking about..

Why is it the Africans never won a war? And don't give me a lame "ohh but we wanted peace" crap. The plundering of civilizations has been going on since time began, we plundered the hell out of the Aztecs, the Incan, but they have history. Europeans never actually ventured into Africa with massive armies... where was your history lost? Your people never kept written records, it was an oral society.. a tribal society..

You are also stating America will fall, and Africans will inherit the country because.. earth is cleansing its self of whites? ... right.

Originally posted by ceci2006
Yes, but the main point is the slavery of African-Americans by their own country in which a whole set of laws were derived and maintained until forty-two years ago. And then, there are laws on the books that still have to be voted on by Congress every twenty-five years.

And you were saying?

[edit on 29-9-2006 by ceci2006]

The point is people... and the real point is!!!!

Feel sorry for the Black man!!! Give them sympathy.

What would the average black man do with his reperation money.. donate to the poor, help out a church, invest it properly or... buy a new pair of shoes and maybe a new gat?

The reparation issue has nothing to do with that. But, that's your opinon, not mine.

[edit on 29-9-2006 by ceci2006]

Your rant not withstanding. How were you abused on your thread? You ran everyone off.

Explain to me really how someone going to Africa is perfectly in line with the topic of this thread? Going to Africa has nothing to do with the subject matter. Neither does bringing up my other thread.

African Slaves came from where.... hmmmmm

Africa.

Good research requires the inspection of all aspects of the equation.

Sorry it does not fit a victim mentality, it is however, relevant.


Semper

Yes, African slaves came from Africa. But that is not the topic of the thread. It has to do with slavery in the United States. The decendants are suing coroporations that have made money off of slavery--the suffering of others.

And no, I didn't run people off. Please stop trying to accuse me of things regarding my actions in this thread. Nit-picking on people's behavior does not make your attempts at erudition look good.

But you brought up the subject of victimhood here. Not me.


[edit on 29-9-2006 by ceci2006]

Do you know that there land owners that where black and hade slaves then what?

Sure, I do. But what does that have to do with the lawsuit?

Admittedly, I stopped reading after page two... I can only imagine what follows...

Originally posted by ceci2006
...slave reparations and the lawsuit...

From a legal standpoint, the doctrine of laches should be enough to defeat any such claim...or perhaps even a statute of limitations, depending upon the precise legal claim.

I think there is a strong public policy rationale for opposing the specific effort that is the subject of this thread. The shareholders of such entities being sued today are not the same shareholders responsible for the clear and obvious wrongdoing perpetrated then.

Why should the grandson pay for the sins of the grandfather however abhorrent the crime? Such actions merely perpetrate one wrongdoing in retaliation of another. Granted, the scale of wrongdoing is very different, but it is still wrongdoing nonetheless.

Let's be clear here. The injustice perpetrated against many during the history of our nation is despicable and unacceptable. We should remain vigilant against such injustices even today. But that is NOT accomplished by extracting payment from those who had nothing to do with actions perpetrated in the distant past.

This is really like me trying to sue you because a previous owner of your car caused the death of my grandmother by running her over with it...

The reality is that all energy should be expended against the injustices taking place today and not the nonsense attempted in this lawsuit.


[edit on 29-9-2006 by loam]

In the United States, it was very common to see signs that said 'No Irish', yet they would hire and employ blacks. This was in the late 1890's, so it has been happening for over 100 years. How many Irish slaves (cough) workers built the railrods, the streets and subways of NY, etc, etc...

When slavery was abolished, many slaves were also given homes and land, more than those who were lynched. Please try to prove me wrong, because you cannot. You don't hear about those stories however. However, every Irishman, Italian, German, etc ahd to live in squalor, and build up his family name.

They did it, many in major cities, so what stopped the blacks? The stigma of slavery. Nope, because there are many successful African Americans. I mean, hope about Colin Powell....his parents immigrated from Jamaica and look how far he got.

en.wikipedia.org...

Are you going to sue black land owners that hade slaves,
Are you going to sue black banks that financed black land owners?
Are you going to sue black owned ships that transported the slaves?
Know you history before speaking

Nonsense, loam? I guess that talking about slavery is a bunch of nonsense. It's okay.

What if the Holocaust was considered nonsense? Would people push it off so nonchalantly if reparations were asked for again?

cmaracing


Are you going to sue black land owners that hade slaves,
Are you going to sue black banks that financed black land owners?
Are you going to sue black owned ships that transported the slaves?
Know you history before speaking

Says the Colonialist to the descendant of the slave. Sorry, I have a hard time taking you seriously, cm, with your preponderence to not respect the knowledge of others.

[edit on 29-9-2006 by ceci2006]

Originally posted by thelibra
Agreed. Hey, I wonder if I can sue Whitey and get the whole Great Lakes area back for my tribe? Technically, if black people today can sue Whitey for something that happened hundreds of years ago, us red people should be able to sue as well.

Hmmm... I'll have to watch the result of this case. If they win and the legal precedent is set, I think I'm gonna sue to have the whole northwestern section of the Great Lakes area restore to my tribe's posession. It's only fair, and it's not like the white man was making good use of Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, or Ontario anyway.

Of course I could be swayed if the tribe was just given the estimated dollar value of those lands in lieu of the lands themselves.

i think i'll sue modern Italians for the wars their Roman ancestors have waged against our tribes, wiping entire ways of living and cultures.

i will sue the French for having invaded us a year after the revolution and having crushed a rebellion causing hundreds of deaths,

i will sue Napoleon's descendants for having drafted thousands of my people to fight in his russian campaign

i will sue the catholic church for having burnt hundreds of men and women for witchcraft in our country

i will sue modern Germans for having drafted 4 % of the male population (12000) to fight on eastern front

i will sue Ireland and Wales for it was Irish and Welsh monks who christianised our region only a few hundred years ago , hence leading to forced conversions , inquisition and a partial (if not total) loss of our culture and identity

i could go on forever.....

do not misunderstand me , what happened to these people is far from being something minor , but if we're constantly looking for some sort of "revenge" .... well grim prospects ahead

The people responsible for these atrocities are dead and you certainly cannot hold their descendants responsible for their forefathers actions.
It is a totally different situation than the one encountered after WWII , where people in charge could be tried .

We have an obligation of educating younger generations about these events i order to not see them repeating , so let' spend that money on education instead of lawsuits.
What do you think ?





[edit on 29-9-2006 by Hvitserk]

Her we go no one said its nonsense just the idea of the sue is
We should be ashamed of the way we act towards people but that’s human nature the African community in history has always been a vast and glories society and its time that blacks see themselves as a noble race with a history longer than that of the Americas

Black people do come from a noble race. But unfortunately, there is a lot of colonialist thinking out there that screws this all up. You're not helping the case, I'm afraid.

Again with the twisting..

Nonsense, loam? I guess that talking about slavery is a bunch of nonsense. It's okay.

He never said Slavery was nonsense. He said the lawsuit was.

Here we go again.

Semper

[edit on 9/29/2006 by semperfortis]

This case would likely be turn down because, slavery was legal at the time and all the bank did was trying to make profit like any other business...

So, WHY exactly isn't there a national Slavery museum?

Originally posted by ceci2006
Nonsense, loam? I guess that talking about slavery is a bunch of nonsense. It's okay.

What if the Holocaust was considered nonsense? Would people push it off so nonchalantly?

Nice try.

The "nonsense" to which I referred was the attempt to hold accountable the shareholders of today for the deplorable sins of the shareholders of the past.

ceci2006, the cause against racism and injustice would be much better served if you actually focused on examples of it, rather than manufacture examples like the response you just made to me.

:shk:

Assigning to the innocent some sort of inherited culpability for the past is not only counterproductive, but represents an injustice all by itself.

The real question is why do you find that acceptable?



[edit on 29-9-2006 by loam]

IM done for the night my last word is that human bieings should not exist, because instead of using our knowledge and tech to make each others life better we just think of ourselves and never of each other. It’s not the color it’s not the religion it’s not the politics that kills us it’s just us.