Slave Descendants Try to Revive Lawsuit

Plenty of empathy on here for Black People.

Read the posts. Many have taken that stance.

The problem is that you want it to be exclusively for black people.

If not, then why complain when others want it for their race that was subjugated at one time or another? Why complain at all?

Would not the NAACP be better served if it was the NAAAP

National Association for the Advancement of ALL People.

Semper

Originally posted by esdad71
phoenixhasrisin, I cannot even empathize with your views, since yo uare so negative to the rest of history and feel that is only African Americans who are owed something. Their own countrymen sold them. Why not sue the ones who sold them in the first place, not the ones who actually did something that was legal at the time.

The fact is that people, other than blacks, were slaves and/or indentured servants, where slavery in North America started.

I have never denied the fact that there were indentured servants. Only one person has acknowledged the fact that indentured servitude was voluntary though.

You, nor anyone else, can give me an example of a European people being robbed of their heritage en masse, so quit with the comparisons. You mention trivial aspects like indentured servitude, yet fail to mention the 3/5 compromise, the 1/100 law, or anything else for that matter. It was never legal to lynch any kind of white man in the U.S, let alone an irish man...it was legal to lynch a black man though, as a matter of fact, they were public gatherings, do I need to post photos?

[edit on 28-9-2006 by phoenixhasrisin]

Originally posted by ceci2006
This is very sad to me.

Fine. Don't pay reparations. Let's just make sure that if any decendants of the criminals, de-commissioned redcoats and outcasts who had to go through indentured servitude do not earn one red cent from the rest of us. These decendants from the people of ill repute also don't deserve the money because of the crimes they committed in Britain and continued to commit in America.


And for those who don't think of "special groups", I'm sure they haven't heard of the KKK or the CCC (in which Trent Lott and Bob Barr were members of). Not to mention the DAR (who remains somewhat uniracial while trying to bar Marian Anderson from singing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial). These are three of the many "special groups" that don't work for any other race but themselves.



[edit on 28-9-2006 by ceci2006]

I would like you to be the one to go door to door to all those "decomitioned redcoats" and tell them that because of their ancestory (few in America are pure english any more.. maybe 1/8 1/30 1/2 what ever.. ) and demand that they owe you money. Lots of money. They will first be confused.. because they probably had no idea they where even english... then they would laugh at you, suggesting this is a joke.. like it is.. honestly.. you want to see angry white people.. force them to pay thousands of dollars out of their money to pay for reperations. Cant see it happening.

You relate the KKK a terrorist organization to a racist council of blacks who feel they have the special right to exclude all other people for the... betterment of the african race..

Originally quoted by Rockpuck

I would like you to be the one to go door to door to all those "decomitioned redcoats" and tell them that because of their ancestory (few in America are pure english any more.. maybe 1/8 1/30 1/2 what ever.. ) and demand that they owe you money. Lots of money. They will first be confused.. because they probably had no idea they where even english... then they would laugh at you, suggesting this is a joke.. like it is.. honestly.. you want to see angry white people.. force them to pay thousands of dollars out of their money to pay for reperations. Cant see it happening.

Then, in the same way, I would like you to go door to door and tell black people that they don't deserve reparations. And then, spew the same things you're saying here. You definitely want to see angry black people, honestly. Unfortunately, in your case, they might not be so jolly contrary to the stereotype.

You relate the KKK a terrorist organization to a racist council of blacks who feel they have the special right to exclude all other people for the... betterment of the african race..

Show me a picture of the NAACP donning black sheets and burning a cross on the lawn of a white citizen and I might be inclined to believe you.

Otherwise, I suggest that you crack open a book relating the history of civil rights and leave the NAACP alone.

But yes, we might as well admit it. The decendants of people of ill repute are here because of the crimes they did in Britain. They should be doubly dishonored. They also do not deserve a red cent from anyone.

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And Semper, truthfully now, how many do you count as plenty? A few of us have taken a stand, but the majority have no sympathy for Black people. I suggest you reread the entire thread.



[edit on 28-9-2006 by ceci2006]

Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin

Originally posted by esdad71
phoenixhasrisin, I cannot even empathize with your views, since yo uare so negative to the rest of history and feel that is only African Americans who are owed something. Their own countrymen sold them. Why not sue the ones who sold them in the first place, not the ones who actually did something that was legal at the time.

The fact is that people, other than blacks, were slaves and/or indentured servants, where slavery in North America started.

I have never denied the fact that there were indentured servants. Only one person has acknowledged the fact that indentured servitude was voluntary though.

You, nor anyone else, can give me an example of a European people being robbed of their heritage en masse, so quit with the comparisons. You mention trivial aspects like indentured servitude, yet fail to mention the 3/5 compromise, the 1/100 law, or anything else for that matter. It was never legal to lynch any kind of white man in the U.S, let alone an irish man...it was legal to lynch a black man though, as a matter of fact, they were public gatherings, do I need to post photos?

[edit on 28-9-2006 by phoenixhasrisin]

Roman Empire.. German Empire.. Holly Roman Catholic Empire.. Huns and other asian barbarian tribes.. French Emprie under Napolean.. Ottoman Empire in the Baltic region..

OOHHHH ... no I see what your saying.. hehe silly me.. it only counts if one race does it to another.. right.. Whites are good at killing eachother.. but no better then any other race it is only because you live in a european society (western) that you get European history with well documented wars. Africa did not have well documemted history but had they, we would see many wars and possibly evidence of slavery amungst them.

OK so are they going to sue the African tribes that would catch prisoners and used to sell those prisoners to the white trader that brought them to the Americas or are we forgetting that slavery started in Africa and then brought to the Americas?

hehe.. no NAACP do not don black capes or what ever.. oooo but there is the Black Panthers. www.hippy.com...

Walking around with automatic rifles.. many times during rallies generally peacefull they liked to make a presence. Oh.. no thats right I forgot blacks arnt racist.. that is also uniqe to whites.

Would I tell a black man he doesn't deserve reperations? ER.. yeah, and I do everytime I have the conversation, including to you. Il make it clear if you want.

Ceicei You.. personally you.. do not.. deserve.. reperations.. UNLESSS.... at one point in your life you where forced against your will for an extended period of time to pick cotton or serve a masta'. I doubt you have, no money.

But who started the sale of slaves? Certainly not those African tribes. It was the slave traders that made a lot of money from the sale of Black people. Those tribes at best earned a paltry sum, if nothing. The slavers earned money from those slaves hand over fist. That's why they called it the Golden Triangle.

And what did the British earn for carting way their undesirables to the United States?

[edit on 28-9-2006 by ceci2006]

Originally posted by Rockpuck
OK, think of it like this..

Your ancestors where slaves. Darn, that sucks. Tough luck for them, wish it coulda been better but hey, history right?

Now, lets assume us whites never dragged you folks over here, lets assume we left your tribes alone...

As of right now in 2006 you would be sitting in Uganda or wherever you came from in a war torn state riddled with violence, rape, civil strife, poverty, disease, and hunger.

Instead, you live in America, slightly better then that I would assume and no one is forcing you to pick cotton any more. So, your great great great great grand daddy picked cotton and now you are a free man and have it better then any native African. Personally, I see that as an improvement then the alternative solution.

EDIT: My bad for being blunt.

[edit on 9/28/2006 by Rockpuck]

Sir, you need to take some courses in African History. Before the Europeans arrived to plunder the resources of Mother Africa, my ancestors were sitting in the Great Universities of Timbuktu and several other great African nations. We were suppling Europeans and the rest of the world with resources found in Africa in abundence. Have you ever heard of Mali, or Asaki Muhammad? Do you know where the Portuguese learned transAltantic sea travel? Have you ever heard of the Moorish Empire? Africa was a glorious place until the greed of the Europeans and IndoEuropeans destroyed it.
The blood of a scholar is worth 1000x more than the blood of a martar! Other nations speak of a brain drain by the US taking their scientist and such. During Imperialism and European Colonialism the nations of Africa were raped of every resource including our doctors, scienctists, lawyers, scholars, resources, the list goes on.
If Africa remained untouched and un-pilaged Sir, my peoples would still be glorious. The Europeans greed caused all the problems in the world today including those in Africa. It's funny how the West believes they are so civilized. Yet, are least in touch with the world, the earth, and the people in it. To the point they are destroying it, (global warming, nuclear bombs) yet the West saved my people from the woes of Africa. There were no woes in Africa.

As for the Native American's, the claim that (blacks) are better of is completely false. Blacks own nothing (whites gave them casinos and reservation) can we have a casino(economy) can we get a reservation (true freedom, a nation) , we don't have knowledge of self (Most Natives Americans at least know what tribe they are from, the average "black" has no such knowledge, some Indians still have their native tongue and religion (who do blacks have Farrakhan, please), were are treated as immigrants in a country we built. We were not only stripped from our home, but of our culture.

Think were would England or France be with out it's culture, nothing. Just as "blacks" are today in this wilderness of the North America NOTHING. This government does not care for blacks, forget Katrina, what about Chicago where high school students can't even take their books home, what about East Saint Louis, what about crack.

You know what, I'm not complaining, because we as a people are awakening from the brainwashing and conditioning that the Western World had blessed us with. WEB Dubois's talented tenth are awakening to take care of their lost people. I am one. The world of the West will repay the lost peoples of Africa for their wrongs committed not only 500 years ago, but also presently. Be blind to the truth if you want, but the disinfomation tactics will be revealed and disassembled. The 85% will wake up to the treachery dealt on them by the evil 10%. This is a different day and age. Don't be fooled by what you see on BET!

Please catch up on your readings, this is supposed to be a community for the elite not the ignorant. And this statement was just plain ignorant.

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Do you Evan know anything about history this still goes today is should know I was born in guinea Bissau and to get technical the first use of slaves where the portuges and Spain.

Rockpuck, um the NAACP and the Black Panthers were two different organizations. Sorry, but no dice.

I second the call again that you need to study your history a bit more instead of making these ridiculous statements.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Right on pie. A black dude invented Peanutbutter.

Would life be different in Africa had Europeans not visited and pillaged the continent? ... some people liek to think that before Europeans got there war was non-existant.

Peanut Butter? He did a lot more than that.

Agricultural chemist, Carver discovered three hundred uses for peanuts and hundreds more uses for soybeans, pecans and sweet potatoes. Among the listed items that he suggested to southern farmers to help them economically were his recipes and improvements to/for: adhesives, axle grease, bleach, buttermilk, chili sauce, fuel briquettes, ink, instant coffee, linoleum, mayonnaise, meat tenderizer, metal polish, paper, plastic, pavement, shaving cream, shoe polish, synthetic rubber, talcum powder and wood stain. Only three patents were every issued to Carver.

Meanwhile as was par for the course for most blacks at the time.

George Washington Carver was born in 1864 near Diamond Grove, Missouri on the farm of Moses Carver. He was born into difficult and changing times near the end of the Civil War. The infant George and his mother kidnapped by Confederate night-raiders and possibly sent away to Arkansas. Moses Carver found and reclaimed George after the war but his mother had disappeared forever. The identity of Carver's father remains unknown, although he believed his father was a slave from a neighboring farm. Moses and Susan Carver reared George and his brother as their own children. It was on the Moses' farm where George first fell in love with nature, where he earned the nickname 'The Plant Doctor' and collected in earnest all manner of rocks and plants.

both quoted from Source

I think that if Americans of African descent wish to pursue reparations, it would be better to sue on the basis of segregation laws. That would eliminate many of the current arguments against it; of course, there would be new ones.

Lots of people from that period are still alive and it would be a relatively simple thing to prove your residency.

Duzey, that has been my argument all along. There are many of our relatives that can speak of what they went through under Jim Crow and the Civil Rights Era.

And of course, the lynchers, lawmakers and the jurors that let those perpetrating the crimes go free are still alive.

[edit on 28-9-2006 by ceci2006]

If you whish to learn anything go to this website it will explain you all about the subject including what I said.


www.newint.org...

OK Ceci

I took your advice.

30 Posts in defense of reparations or a single view of Black Racism Only, or against posters that espoused an opposite view.

29 Posts directly against Reparations or contending a view of many races having experienced similar circumstances.

13 Posts either non committal or referencing another issue.

Looks pretty even to me.

Blacks are not always the only Victims. At least not on this thread as the numbers don't lie.

Semper

[edit on 9/28/2006 by semperfortis]

I see slavery every time I go to Africa it still goes on.

Abstract indeed your continent "mother Africa" was the best example to all of humanity in your most glorious empires.

Blacks have made your own culture here in America as well, it constitutes pimps, slappin hoes, beotches, FUBU, Gangsta rap, flaunting the N word, disrespect to women and no regard for the "Family" I knew a family of blacks that grew up down the street from me, 2 sisters and 3 brothers, not one had the same father.

Is that ALL of blacks, no not by far, but that is how your represented, would "mother Africa" be proud?

And you should no, no man will ever get my money. Il leave it at that. I don't give a damn what color you might be, I never enslaved you I in no way hold you back, it is not ME who "forces" kids to drop out of school because BET made them think they are all gangstas, it is not me that "forces" them to join gangs and be "opressed" by society. Start with some self respect and stop blaming others for personal failures.

Ceci, who started the slave trade? Dutch did actually, not British and they recieved them through other African tribes that took over another tribe.

And you should also note that groups like KKK and NAACP are in no way the same.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
hehe.. no NAACP do not don black capes or what ever.. oooo but there is the Black Panthers. www.hippy.com...

Walking around with automatic rifles.. many times during rallies generally peacefull they liked to make a presence. Oh.. no thats right I forgot blacks arnt racist.. that is also uniqe to whites.

Would I tell a black man he doesn't deserve reperations? ER.. yeah, and I do everytime I have the conversation, including to you. Il make it clear if you want.

Ceicei You.. personally you.. do not.. deserve.. reperations.. UNLESSS.... at one point in your life you where forced against your will for an extended period of time to pick cotton or serve a masta'. I doubt you have, no money.

Your mentioning of the Black Panther Party for Self Defense does not justify your point. There is no comparision of them with organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan or the White Citizens Council. The Panthers protected the people from the white terrorist of the United States. They never busted in a white familes home and raped their wives and daughters, kill their familes, or burnt their homes. The KKK as well as the police did all of this. They weren't racist either, if you read Sir about the Black Panthers you would now that they worked with peoples of All Nations and culture including whites to bring equality no only to "blacks" but also poor, liberal and working class whites, they even worked with homosexuals. Have you heard of the Freedom and Peace Party. Try looking up Fred Hampton, wasn't Huey Newton's lawyer white. Please you need to make better points you sound ridiculous to those that know true history. The Black Panthers were about more than carring guns and if you had racist police in you neighborhood killing and harrassing your family constantly, you would want to protect yourself too. I think you should give me five dollars for making that foolish comments, do you have pay pal? lol I'll just take a money order...

Your right Abstract, all those rightous black people.. not a single racist comment. I was never called a cracker in school, never called a honkey, nope not even pastey, all the black kids in school where so nice, us whites sure could take a lesson from them. You think blacks are not racist? Remember the Cincinati Riots.. I sure do.. I saw a black mob pull truckers, women, couples from their cars and beat them bloody in the streets. that was less then 8 years ago...

Remember the LA riots? A racist feud between blacks and Koreans? Remember the looting.. the beatings..

Whites had problems, as do blacks.