John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real

Originally posted by undo
I live by NASA. Cape Canaveral has many launches that are top secret.

That's true as far as the payloads go (psst they're satellities) but the launches themselves are public knowledge (how do you hide a rocket launch?) and therefore can be tracked and so are the capabilties of the launch vehicles (man rating, payload weight to LEO or higher).

www.patrick.af.mil...

astronautix.com...

So can you tell me what my husband does for a living? Since you know everything anyway.

Originally posted by TheBorg
Ok. For me to believe this, and believe me when I say that I REALLY do, I need to know one major thing. How is it possible for them to shuttle astronauts up to the Moon and back, with payload no less, without the general public seeing or hearing about it? If you can logically explain that little fact, then I might be able to buy this crazy notion.

Believe me when I say I am working on tracking that info down... The first step in that process is I have been tracking down all possible information on the Space Command and related operations. [I am also compiling a source of private/commercial space projects but they are not important yet]

The first thing to know is... IS there any major government activity along the lines nescessary to collaborate our theory... What I have found so far is astounding actually scary...

Here is an excerpt from the data..

General Charles Horner, Commander, Air Force Space Command (AFSPC) officially dedicated the SWC on December 8, 1993. In 1995, the 17th Test Squadron (17 TS) was established and the 576th Flight Test Squadron (576 FLTS) aligned under SWC. In 2000, the SWC established the 595th Test and Evaluation Group (595 TEG) and 310th Space Group (Air Force Reserve) established the 14th Test Squadron (14 TS) as a sister squadron to the 17 TS. In 2001, the SWC stood up the 527th Space Aggressor Squadron (527 SAS) and the USAF Space Operations School (SOPSC). In 2002, the SWC stood up Detachment 1 at Nellis AFB, NV and Detachment 2 at Langley AFB, VA. Both Detachments are extensions of the SWC and provide air and space integration to the warfighter through a variety of efforts heavily focused on strengthening relationships with government and industry mission partners. In August 2002, the 595th reorganized as the 595th Space Group and took control of the 527th and SOPSC. In November 2002, the 595th established the Space Range Management Office (SRMO). In September 2003, the SWC stood up a fifth division, the Integration Division (SWC/XI). More recently, in October 2003, the 310th Space Group established the 26th Space Aggressor Squadron (26 SAS) as a sister squadron to the 527 SAS.

This is from the SWC (Space Warfare Center)

Just WHO are we at war with? And WHY do we have "Space Aggressor Squadron's"

In 1977 Congress directed the establishment of Air Force TENCAP with three primary missions: exploiting space systems for tactical applications through rapid prototyping projects; influencing the design of future space systems for tactical applications; and educating warfighters about the capabilities and tactical utility of space systems.

This is there Patch! Notice anything unusual???



Then we have the Air Force Space Command (AFSPC)

Approximately 40,000 people...

Mission Statement...The Space Force Mission is to defend the United States through the control and exploitation of space. Air Force Space Command makes space reliable to the warfighter (i.e. forces personnel) by continuously improving the command's ability to provide and support combat forces..

Space capabilities... Spacelift operations at the East and West Coast launch bases provide services, facilities and range safety control for the conduct of United States Department of Defense (DOD), National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), and commercial launches...

[posted earlier]
The DoD Space Test Program was created in May 1965 as a multi-user space program [1965 same time frame as our picture]

located at Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque, New Mexico...

From the first launch in Jun 1967 to Jun 1997 over 400 experiments have been flown on over 120 missions using dedicated free-flyers, the space shuttle or piggyback payload ...


Okay No I do not yet have the evidence for large space freighters EXCEPT the evidence I have been looking at for activities in Antartica [ Just WHY are all those hugh transports landing on the ice?] That info is a file in progree and if you are interested in my research so far on Antarctica U2U me and I will send you a link...

BUT I see more than enough evidence for extrme and long term activity in space. This info I was able to find publically, and actually on their own websire... so you can imagine what must be there that isn't public..

Here is the data collected so far...If anyone has any more please send it to me.

SPACE COMMAND

They traffic people in and out of military bases all the time, true, but I'm positive that if they were sending people into space that several thousand people would know/see/hear the craft launch, as well as the return craft come back in with a payload.

Would they? By what I have seen there are so many space flights from various military bases that even the news only mentions a small number and that usually NASA launches...

And IF they have a base in Antarctica from where to launch... I think they could keep them secret... There are a LOT of ATS personnel shuttled in and out of McMurdo and Vostok bases, using the Pegasus Landing field...

As to return payloads, I do not believe they are bring stuff back yet, not in noticeable quantity. It is my belief that they are gearing up for a major push for Moon and Mars control... this is backed up by all those mining info files I have...YES you will see them soon patience I type slow

As to funding just google all the money that goes to the military space programs and the "missing" money that is unaccounted for. If they dumped moon minerals on the market it would raise a BIG red flag. [I should start a page on the money trail... any helpers?]

Can you imagine the size the craft would have to be to get anything worthwhile from the Moon.

Yes I can.... It is called the "Aquilla"

This work placed a total 129 tons initial base for both the in-crater and crater rim installations, as well as a 90 tons “marshalling yard” at the Earth-Moon L-1 libration point. For launch services, the results of an in-house Shuttle-Derived Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle study were used. It is called Aquila. This vehicle can deliver over 50 tons to low Earth orbit from the Kennedy Space Center, using a combination of Space Shuttle and Delta IV-Heavy components.

Source Paper from...
SPACE TRANSPORTATION FOR A LUNAR RESOURCES BASE (LRB)
Hubert P. Davis, Starcraft Boosters, Inc.
1032 Military Drive
Canyon Lake, TX 78133

You want their phone number? [No I can't really post that ]

Sorry no video.... YET

I too know that the government must be involved in extra-terrestrial operations, as that's the next major frontier that we've yet to conquer. Should these things come to be true, then I'll be one of the happiest guys on the planet.

Be HAPPY LOL

Besides, the thing I think they should be doing is harnessing these Near-Earth asteroids, and mining the heck out of them, since they pose more of a threat to us than any that the Moon or Mars can.

Well if THATS what you think... have I got a HOT STOCK TIP for you...

Shhhh don't spread this around... we don't want word getting out till we have our piece of the action...

Wait for it.... This is from their prospectus...

Galactic Mining Industries, Inc. – Business Plan Development – Market Definition and Revenue Streams
Richard M. Westfall1, 1Galactic Mining Industries, Inc. 4838 Stuart Street, Denver, Colorado 80212-292

Galactic Mining Industries, Inc. is involved in the research and development of Industrial Manufacturing Technologies which will form the basis for Manned Colonization of Earth Orbit, Manned Colonization of the Moon, Earth –Mars Transportation Infrastructure and Martian Colonies. The investigation of Steel Manufacturing Technologies using In-Situ Resources in Earth Orbit on the Moon on Mars and Beyond forms the foundation for the companies business plans...

Galactic Mining Industries, Inc. also possesses proprietary Radiation Shielding Technologies which can be applied to Nuclear Industry Operations on Earth and as Shielding for Spacecraft. These technologies will be briefly presented to define additional very important market presence...

Manufacture of Buzz Aldrin inspired Cycler Earth – Mars Orbiter Shuttle Vehicles to Organizations Transiting from Earth to Mars and back to Earth.

In Space Manufacture of Food Production Greenhouse Space Stations for Provision of
Missions in Earth Orbit, on the Moon, in Transit to Mars and on Mars, and Beyond.
9. Provide in Space Industrial Park Infrastructure for Support of Organizations involved in the manufacture of Space Colonization Goods and Services

This is just a few snippits from a symposium report in 2004...

As to the asteroid mining you specifically asked about...

Ask and ye shall receive...

And while we are at it why not "mine" or reclaim all those millions of tons of space junk that are high in gold platinum etc content? Be nice to clean up the front yard...


ASTEROID AND SPACE JUNK MINING

GALACTIC MINING INDUSTRIES, INC.


So Herr Borg.... have we assimilated you yet?




Now just for teasers here are the titles of a couple of other papers...
PRESENTATIONS

Simulation of Helium-3 Extraction from Lunar Ilmenite
by Kuhlman K. R. Kulcinski G. L. Schmitt H. H.

Near Earth Object Characterization, Exploration and Exploitation
by Klaus K.

Mars Deep Drilling Remains a High Priority
by Mandell H. C.

Drilling to Extract Liquid Water on Mars: Feasible and Worth the Investment
by Stoker C.

But thats for later I am not ready to deal with Mars Operations just yet... lets stay on the moon for now...

Originally posted by undo
To me, "probably" sounds carefully chosen. Perhaps you don't like "probably", in which case I invite you to ignore most theoretical physics.

And quit my job? No way man!

He used "probably" in the context of an artic base.

Originally posted by undo
So can you tell me what my husband does for a living? Since you know everything anyway.

I have no clue. I didn't realize you are a female so chances are I would be wrong if I tried to guess anyway.

Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real
With all due respect you are (...) to humanity.
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Fixed quote and removed personal attack (...)

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OK thanks for the warning. It just pisses me off to see somebody getting away with this crap for so long.

(anybody can make stuff up with no basis whatsover in reality... what's the point?)

Originally posted by johnlear
As far as the very large equipment built in the US going to the moon or Mars I am not sure how they do that but remember we've had anti-grav since the late 50's so by now it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

Pfft I know how to do that. Who needs non-existent anti-grav tech when we already had Project Orion?

“Zis is not nuts, zis is super-nuts“
- Mathematician Richard Courant on viewing an Orion test

astronautix.com...

en.wikipedia.org...(nuclear_propulsion)

A 1959 report by General Atomics explored the parameters of three different sizes of hypothetical Orion spacecraft:

[snip boring techincal details]

The biggest design above is the "super" Orion design; at 8 million tons, it could easily be a city. In interviews, the designers contemplated the large ship as a possible interstellar ark. This extreme design could be built with materials and techniques that could be obtained in 1958 or were anticipated to be available shortly after. The practical upper limit is likely to be higher with modern materials.

Or there's Aldebaran.

astronautix.com...



Like I said johnlear, sounds like there's a lot of things you don't know.

Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real

BS. Where's your evidence?

Take a look at the pictures on this thread. Thats my evidence.

No that's the current state of art.

Actually its the 'state of the art' for the uninformed. For the informed the state of the art in space travel is about 60 years ahead of the uninformed.

Just my humble opinion of course)

Thanks for your 'humble' opinion SOTR as uninformed as it is it is always appreciated.

Originally posted by Saviour Of The RealThanks to your encouragement I’m sure he won’t stop trying though. It appears he worships the ground you walk on so why not be a real hero and let the poor guy off the hook?

Seems like I'm not in the room here... LOL

Actually John has done nothing for me to get to this point. In fact at the beginning I did not beleive most of what he said as it went against everything I have learned. If you look at the first few pages of this thread you will see I was not even taking it seriously at first, until I spotted a few things that woke me up...

Since then I have independantly found hundreds of documents to support major lunar and martian mining operations from NASA, the Department of Defense and Colorado School of Mines...

A recent phone call to a CANADIAN firm simply asking about mining equipment met with the response "What clearance do you have"

Why do we need clearance to ask about bucket excavators???

Seems perhaps we have struck a nerve here... how dare our Gov, NASA et al mine the moon without cutting us in... and we haven't even had to resort to mentioning ANY Alien involvement at this point

Originally posted by undo
you said:
can we have dust clouds in a 0 atmosphere environment?
how thin, i dunno. but zorg and john have info on that.

LOL Glad you asked that... yes we do have evidence...

Here is one piece recent history

Crash of Smart-1 from the ESA photos of dust plume taken when it crashed into the moon

sci.esa.int...

Originally posted by undo that archive photo 279, has definitely been edited. I can check the rest as well, but it's pretty evident that someone changed the image.

This seems like a very good place to add this video link that Matyas sent me...

Photo Editing Facility Langly AF Base

One of those people coming forward!!!

Stop playing ostrich, Saviour...

Edited to fix link!

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Originally posted by undo
So can you tell me what my husband does for a living? Since you know everything anyway.

Don't tell them THAT LOL Need to keep some secrets

Originally posted by johnlear
Take a look at the pictures on this thread. Thats my evidence.

I did. Even Hoagland's crap is better than this and his is pretty bad.

Actually its the 'state of the art' for the uninformed. For the informed the state of the art in space travel is about 60 years ahead of the uninformed.

If you believe that you're a sucker for disinformation but then that's what they like about you isn't it?

Thanks for your 'humble' opinion SOTR as uninformed as it is it is always appreciated.

No need to thank me johnlear, it was my pleasure.



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Originally posted by zorgon

Just WHO are we at war with? And WHY do we have "Space Aggressor Squadron's"

Out of curiosity , why do you think a "Space Aggressor Squadron's" could be used for? To fight aliens? Maybe so.

What if they just serve the purpose of defending the US from space flight capable nations? Have you wondered that the first earth nation to develop offensive space capabilities would be capable of ruling over the opponents if they are not prepared for it?

Originally posted by zorgon

Since then I have independantly found hundreds of documents to support major lunar and martian mining operations from NASA, the Department of Defense and Colorado School of Mines...
...

Out of genuine curiosity , what are they supposed to be mining out there?

Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real
He used "probably" in the context of an artic base.

ANTARCTIC not arctic... there is an important difference... and it only takes a little googling to find LOTS of surface evidence... like the new ice runway technology they are using so the new huge c-5 Galaxy super cargo transports can land there...

I mean can't have them fall through the ice with all that HEAVY PAYLOAD...





NSF Government News

The U.S. Air Force has certified a newly constructed glacial ice runway near Antarctica's McMurdo Station as capable of handling large military cargo jets. The certification marks an important improvement in the U.S. Antarctic Program's (USAP)...

Preparation of the runway pavement required the use of 100- ton pneumatic tire rollers to compact a thin snow cover, turning the snow into white ice, a material sturdy enough to handle four engine military transport aircraft. The addition of this white ice pavement allows all-season landings of wheeled aircraft in the Antarctic for the first time in history...

The newly developed compaction process protects the runway from sun damage while having the structural strength necessary to withstand the stresses imposed by the landing of large aircraft such as the C-5 Galaxy, one of the world's largest aircraft; the C-17 Globemaster, the newest air force cargo plane; and the older C-141s.

Source

Here is a logistics operation guide for Pegasus Field... manages by Raytheon [I am sure you all know who they are..]

Logistics Pegasus Field/Antarctic Operations

Welcome to Pegasus field Don't forget your mittens!




No base in Antarctica....

I suppose next you will tell me there are no huge hidden underground freshwater lakes there either....

:shk:


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Originally posted by zorgon

No base in Antarctica....

I suppose next you will tell me there are no huge hidden underground freshwater lakes there either....

:shk:

ermmm... are you implying that the antartic bases are secret or something like that?...

Because even a simple google search shows you that several countries have military research facilities in there like Spain, Japan , Russia the US...

Doh, everybody knows there's no base in antartica.
there's no life anywhere else in the universe, at least, of the sentient kind.
and if there was, they couldn't possibly be ahead of us technologically.
there's no such thing as quantum teleportation.
our current science says it's impossible so it's impossible
abductees are all lying.
religous people are all lying.
ufo sightings are all fake.
ancient civs were only on earth, period, end of story.
the government always tells the truth.
scientists are always right.
and white bread is good for you!

Originally posted by zorgon
No base in Antarctica....

It's not a military base but check out all these mysterious people and the top secret work they're doing!

www.usap.gov...

Maybe you should call them and ask them how many moon mining expeditions fly out of there each season.

I suppose next you will tell me there are no huge hidden underground freshwater lakes there either....

If you really want to know you should try getting a job there and infiltrate their organization. Looks like they need about 2, 500 support personnel.

www.usap.gov...

Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real

Originally posted by undo
To me, "probably" sounds carefully chosen. Perhaps you don't like "probably", in which case I invite you to ignore most theoretical physics.

And quit my job? No way man!

He used "probably" in the context of an artic base.

I was looking at the picture of the patch you posted and was wondering what the latin writing on the bottom ment and looked up and it says
Definition of: oderint dum metuant
oderint dum metuant: Let them hate so long as they fear. (A favorite saying of Caligula.)
weird? wonder what that is supposed to mean?

Originally posted by jmlima

Out of genuine curiosity , what are they supposed to be mining out there?

Covered that we did... but I will give you the link... [I know its difficult to read all in this thread]

This one is compiled from old Clementine and the Follow up Mission - The Lunar Prospector Spacecraft


MoonMinerals on the Moon


BUT

everyone usually overlooks the obvious....its not always about profitable minerals...

Establishing ANY type of Base, colony etc would require mining materials for In-Situ Resource Utilization (ISRU). [This is a term you will see a lot when we show more papers...

What it means is mining for minerals fro use ON SITE for construction fuel etc...

The previous link I gave to Galactic Mining inc talks at length about steel production for ISRU construction projects on the Moon and Mars... and both, especially Mars have tons of Hematite just lying on the surface... one Mars image shows an Oklahoma size area with hematite on the surface.... it was chosen as the rover landing site... and we have pictures of the "blue berries" which are hematite nodules by the tons... [hematite is a major ore of iron.... oh and Mars soil is red due to iron oxide... rust... more iron ore]


How about glass? Remember all those stories of glass domes on the moon?

Well check this out...

LUNAR AND MARTIAN FIBERGLASS AS A VERSATILE FAMILY OF ISRU VALUE-ADDED PRODUCTS
by Gary "ROD" Rodriguez, Systems Architect, sysRAND Corporation
The logic employed in our reasoning includes the fact that any In Situ Resource Utilization (ISRU) effort is going to yield copious masses of silicon oxides which can be used in bulk as conventional glass products or, after further separation, can be synthesized as Silicon and Silicon-Carbide Fullerenes for more exotic applications. Additionally, mechanical wrapping of Silicon Webbing could prove to be more practical and durable and a lot less brittle than attempting largescale hot glass molding of structural components...

Identified fuel production ISRU efforts yield partially heated masses of metal oxides as waste byproduct – rich in silicates and metal oxides useful in bulk as conventional glass products. Fiberglass manufacturing increases effectiveness of prior ISRU fuel production by taking advantage of mineral benefaction and elevated process exit temperatures. The resulting structures would be spheres and cylinders with various configurations that could apply to human support systems, along with structures useable as storage tanks for the very Oxygen liberated in ISRU applications.

Now then... if you look at the images we have gathered on the website... you will see many images of spheres, cylinders and tanks...

But look at that excerpt again...

GLASS made on the moon, for habitat structures, with the BYPRODUCTS being fuel and free oxygen!!! sysRAND is not a fly by night corporation

Whether you believe or not, or see the images for what they are or not, the fact remains that all the support documents we are finding strongly support our theory... and the stuff we have so far is only the beginning, the tip of the iceberg.

All this documentation is NOT from UFO or fringe websites... its from corporation and government offices and all of it has names and contact phone numbers... calls to these numbers get responses like" whats your security level..." not "I don't know what your talking about..."

Hoagland and others have a few pictures... none of the support documents... think about it and do a little reading... the amount of data available in public domain is astounding... but you have to look... and look with the right questions