John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Originally posted by ArMaP
You forgot PNG.

Not forgot never considered as my software doesn't use that format by default...

BUT thank you for that info!! I DID NOT know that it was a lossless format

Thats why I love ATS such wonderful free research assistants...

I guess that means I will have to redo at least some of the better clips

But ummm what is this Internet Explorer you refer to? Is that any good for anything?



[edit on 19-11-2006 by zorgon]

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone...

You probably all getting stuffed on turkey or is that stuffed like turkey? Its been quiet in here...

Time to wake things up again...

I have been working on "The Keep" my favorite area, yet the hardest one to extract useful images from... that is about to change... to all those that say I have a vivid imagination... check this out LOL




Now here is what we will be looking at in detail...




This is in area E-4 on the Grid Map along the graded ridge in Cop #1 left side of ridge

Lots of goodies in here bucket excavator... giant excavator... buildings etc, but most important it shows that this is [or was at the time of the photo] an active working operation...




Okay don't worry I got better shots... that png format really works!

I was going to save this for a bit but John says go for it LOL

This is using the old method... no enhancement just enlarged...



Here it is colorized... Now most of us can see this one...



Here is the new format using tiff as a master then saving as .png...



And now for the final version...

Drum roll please..............



Now if you can't see this I will drive you to optometrist personally

That is interesting, Zorg. What the heck . It looks very old and in disrepair.

Originally posted by undo
That is interesting, Zorg. What the heck . It looks very old and in disrepair.

Its also very large... I would say 200-250 feet maybe taller. I am still working on the precise scale...

Also looking into what it might actually be. Maybe we should call the manufacturers and ask


Okay lets go to one of two MATCHING bucket excavators. The first one puzzled me for some time until I realized it is OPERATING raising dust... that is why it was partially obscured... This one would be about 100 feet tall or so, which matches the other one I found...



This device would be about 100 feet tall based on the Keep being a three story building and the assumed depth of the crater. You can see the top portion of the wheel with the center hub and spokes. The lower half is obscured by dust clouds that billow in front and behind the excavator. Payparticular attention to the shadow left by the dust cloud against the wheel. The bright white area to the left of the wheel is most likely vapor [steam?] from the machine based on its vapor like look and the bright reflectiveness of the cloud indicating water vapor...

First the untouched...


Now add a little color and contrast...



And labels...

I know that we have been looking at these photos as proof of a mining operation on the moon, but isn't it possible that these photos could be of the building of a moon base?

Project Horizon presented the establishment of a lunar base and also mentioned the installation of permanent facilities underneath the lunar surface. Could we be looking at the creation of a military and scientific base on the moon as well as an operation to identify minerals to sustain it?

U.S. Army Reports - Project Horizon

Project Horizon and strange objects in Lunar photos

Take a close look at these photos. There are definite objects there.


[edit on 11/23/2006 by infinite8]

it irritates me to think they would be up there mining the resources and not telling anyone. no competition, no fair market, no oversight, and no realizing any benefits from it. what are they up to?

Hell's bells!! That's mindblowing stuff!
And what do you think is that strange structure on the upper left quadrant of your pic?

Originally posted by mikesingh
Hell's bells!! That's mindblowing stuff!

And what do you think is that strange structure on the upper left quadrant of your pic?

Ya know, that doesn't look like an excavator to me. It more closely resembles either an Egyptian or a Mayan head. It has eyes, a nose, and a mouth on the left side and all. Heck, for all I know, the "hair" on the upper right side of the "structure" could very well be a representation of the ancient Gorgon Medusa. Which leads me to all kinds of questions.

You sure that's not what it is Zorg? SUUUURRREEEEE??!?!?!!!??????

TheBorg

Originally posted by TheBorg
You sure that's not what it is Zorg? SUUUURRREEEEE??!?!?!!!??????

Yup pretty sure! But one thing its not is a rock or shadow...

my daughter thinks its a part of a tunneling machine...

funny thing is so did my source in Europe...

Have a look at the scaffolds on this one... gives you the size...

Now then... lets get back to my building shall we?


I am talking about this one... just below the wheel...

This is definitely a large multi story building. It sits below the sloped grade on a switch back road visible by a whitish line. Notice that the building sits level in regards to the angles of the grade and the switch back. There is actually a remarkable amount of detail on the building on close examination, some obvious, some you have to look closely. We will attempt to highlight them below. There is also smoke obscuring part of the structure and what appears to be a smoke stack emitting smoke from within the structure.



Lets add a little color to brighten things up....



and a few labels..



Labeled to show details... Looking at this closely the lighter colored part of the structures with the white roof actually appears to be a separate building behind the black keep. This is based on the fact that the Keep at the left angles back, in other words a corner on the building. There is also a third "lamp pole" on that angle in front of the lighter colored structure. The top edge of the Keep shows little block details, almost like crenalations on a castle wall, [hence the name "Keep"]

There is a smoke stack within the Keep and it is billowing smoke. There is also smoke issuing from something in front of the building. It was this smoke that first caused a little confusion in deciphering what was blocking the giant excavator. To the right of the smoke the structure shows more interesting details. It is hard to tell if this is a separate structure or the building is just hidden by the rising smoke. The "lamp poles" have been named that because that's what they look like, but most likely they are something else. Also notice the direction that the smoke is moving in... oh wait! It can't do that... there is no atmosphere or wind on the Moon...

Originally posted by infinite8
I know that we have been looking at these photos as proof of a mining operation on the moon, but isn't it possible that these photos could be of the building of a moon base?

Nope Copernicus is the mine the Base is elsewhere...We will get to that...

But don't forget a Base would need minerals etc... and trust me on this one... they already have the mineral studies... hundreds of them and more... we will be posting a bunch of the interesting ones soon



So seeing as we are still on bucket excavators lets start with that one... mineral studies are boring to most people LOL But I have a few that will make your jaw drop...

The following is from a paper... pre symposium [Stilll searching for the final transcripts but I am pretty sure they are secret...]

REPORT ON THE CONSTRUCTION AND TESTING OF A BUCKET WHEEL EXCAVATOR
Dale S. Boucher1, Jim Richard
21Northern Centre for Advanced Technology Inc.
1400 Barrydowne Road, Sudbury,
Ontario, Canada, P3A 3V8

The Northern Centre for Advanced Technologies Inc. (NORCAT), in partnership with Electric Vehicle Controllers Ltd. (EVC), is presently engaged in the development and adaptation of existing mining technologies and methodologies for use extra-terrestrially as precursor and enabling technologies for ISRU and for use as ISSE in support of longer term missions.

More specifically, NORCAT, in collaboration with Colorado School of Mines, has developed, constructed, and tested a bucket wheel excavator. The unit is based upon the design developed by CSM’s Mike Duke and Tim Muff.

This document is dated 2004. On a phone call John did discover that Tim Muff currently works for Lockheed Martin, as well as a few other interesting points.

This is just a teaser.... we will put together the key papers on my site as soon as I get a bit of time this weekend. [Takes time to track permissions and or find out if material is copyrighted etc... so bear with me on that...



[edit on 23-11-2006 by zorgon]

Looking at these pics, the words ink blots come to mind. You know the test where you look at meaningless blots of ink and your therapist figures out what is really on your mind. From all the crap, dust, hair, bubbles and such I have seen on these pictures I believe theyare meaningless as far as looking for anything on. Put them at their original magnification and context and they are nice moon pictures for the time they were taken. If I pulled these out from my developing tray in my personal darkroom, they would have gone in the trash can. They are that bad. If most folks got pictures back with this much crap on them from K-Mart or wherever you get your photos developed, you would take them back for a refund. There is an old saying that goes "garbage in, garbage out". And it is more than applicable in this case.

Originally posted by groingrinder You know the test where you look at meaningless blots of ink and your therapist figures out what is really on your mind.

Yes and I also know what therapists say about those who see nothing in the ink blots :p

So okay you see nothing... then why do you keep coming back to look? Oh yes you "want to believe" Okay well believe this...

NASA and other agencies have projects in the works for the exploitation of mining operations on both the Moon and Mars. They are extremely far advanced and have been for ten years. You would be surprised how far... but some simple google searches will show that...

I have studies on drilling for water on Mars, underground habitats on Moon and Mars, atmosphere on the Moon....

It is simply our contention that they are already there...

With all the other countries and private enterprise heading into space, I think its quite likely that NASA et al. will be revealing a lot over the next few years... Just remember you heard it here first LOL

From that link provided by StellarX about the Space Command et al I found a couple interesting items


Found a base here on Earth that does launches... DoD runs it...

Found this first on the Air Force Space command site...

Space capabilities

Spacelift operations at the East and West Coast launch bases provide services, facilities and range safety control for the conduct of United States Department of Defense (DOD)

WHAT west coast launch base???

well I found this one!!...

The Space Test Program (STP) is a part the Air Force Space and Missile Systems Center, Space and Missile Test and Evaluation Directorate located at Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The DoD Space Test Program was created in May 1965 as a multi-user space program whose role is to be the primary provider of spaceflight for the entire Department of Defense space research community (this role was revalidated in a Nov 1995 memo from the Secretary of Defense). The Air Force is the executive agent for this DoD program. The primary objective of STP is to fly the maximum number of DoD space research experiments possible consistent with priority, opportunity and available funding. From the first launch in Jun 1967 to Jun 1997 over 400 experiments have been flown on over 120 missions using dedicated free-flyers, the space shuttle or piggyback payload opportunities.

Notice the DATE they created it?


So if you really want to believe I suggest you do a little independent research. Over the next week or so I will gather all the sources and post them.

Oh and as a side note... Albuquerque is the official home of Spaceport America, now commissioned and under construction

New Mexico Spaceport Authority
Lonnie Sumpter, Executive Director
301 S. Church Street, Suite G,
Las Cruces, NM 88001
505-521-3407

SPACEPORT AMERICA

[edit on 23-11-2006 by zorgon]

Zorgon I do not doubt that things are going on in space and on local planetary bodies that are sponsored by our government and which we know little or nothing about. The only thing I am disputing here is the wisdom of looking for anomalies in 30 year old bady handled and developed pictures. And yes I still want to believe. In spite of the speculation over blurry pictures, not because of it. I keep returning hoping to find clear and undeniable evidence and I am disappointed each time. However I will keep returning, because somewhere there has to be a piece of evidence that will somehow slip through and make it into the public domain where you, in your enegetic zeal will pounce upon it and hold it high for everybody to see and admire and be amazed with.


I think also that when technology on the moon is found that most of it will be from ancient times.

Originally posted by zorgon

WHAT west coast launch base???

I believe they may be talking about Vandenburg. Many of those launches labeled 'classified' have astronauts on board. Don't know where they are going or how they get back.

Originally posted by groingrinder

I keep returning hoping to find clear and undeniable evidence and I am disappointed each time.

Thanks for your comments groingrinder.

For me these pictures are the most exciting and interesting I have even seen anywhere of anything.

The whole ‘moon picture’ thing started back in the middle 90’s when I got a call from Bob Churilla who lived in Chicago. He said he had some pictures of artifacts on the moon and next time I was in Chicago to drop over.

A few weeks later I was in Chicago and went over to his house. Among the pictures he showed to me was page 215/216 in “Exploring The Moon Through Binoculars And Small Telescopes” by Ernest H. Cherrington, Jr. On those 2 pages were LO-II-162
and LO-V-154. Bob pointed out the enormous silos in 154. I was flabbergasted!

From that point I started collecting Lunar Orbiter photos which eventually led to this thread. I wasn’t expecting much interest until Zorgon came on board. Holy Smokes! What a talented and tireless worker.

For me it is very exciting to have uncovered one of the biggest secrets in human history: that mankind has been on the moon and mining it for a very long time. Remember that these pictures were taken back in 1966 and that strip mine wasn’t created overnight.

For those of you who can’t or are unable to see the excavators, buildings, roads, ramps, arches, vapor, smoke, or anything that would indicate that there is a huge mining operation on Copernicus: I envy you.

Slightly off topic for a second here. I found this picture I thought I had lost of the Giant Walnut that intercepted and flew along with Japan Air Lines Flight 1628 November 17, 1986 over Fairbanks, Alaska for about 55 minutes. Captain Kenju Terauchi and his crew of 2 on the Boeing 747 special cargo flight from Paris to Anchorage were debriefed by representatives of the Federal Aviation Administration shortly after landing. During that debriefing Capt. Terauchi made a sketch (from which this rendering was made) of the shape and relative size of the Giant Walnut which he claimed was the size of 2 battleships. The craft was seen south of Las Vegas a few weeks later. For more info search JAL 1628.

Ok. For me to believe this, and believe me when I say that I REALLY do, I need to know one major thing. How is it possible for them to shuttle astronauts up to the Moon and back, with payload no less, without the general public seeing or hearing about it? If you can logically explain that little fact, then I might be able to buy this crazy notion.

They traffic people in and out of military bases all the time, true, but I'm positive that if they were sending people into space that several thousand people would know/see/hear the craft launch, as well as the return craft come back in with a payload. Can you imagine the size the craft would have to be to get anything worthwhile from the Moon. They have to make the whole project fund itself for the most part, so they'd need a huge supply of minerals. To get them, they'd need a HUGE craft. Now, with that huge craft floating around, someone's BOUND to see it and get it on video, right? So, where's the video?

I too know that the government must be involved in extra-terrestrial operations, as that's the next major frontier that we've yet to conquer. Should these things come to be true, then I'll be one of the happiest guys on the planet. However, if it turns out to be false, then I'm afraid it'll be at best another 50 years or so before we get anything like this to be a reality.

Besides, the thing I think they should be doing is harnessing these Near-Earth asteroids, and mining the heck out of them, since they pose more of a threat to us than any that the Moon or Mars can.

TheBorg

Originally posted by johnlear
I believe they may be talking about Vandenburg. Many of those launches labeled 'classified' have astronauts on board.

Without tangible evidence, whoever gave you that idea is no doubt full of it. Haven’t you learned your lesson yet?

Don't know where they are going or how they get back.

Sounds to me like there’s a lot of things you don’t know.

From that point I started collecting Lunar Orbiter photos which eventually led to this thread. I wasn’t expecting much interest until Zorgon came on board. Holy Smokes! What a talented and tireless worker.

Tireless? Agreed. Talented? So far he’s failed to detect anything unusual for the Moon in these images in my opinion. Thanks to your encouragement I’m sure he won’t stop trying though. It appears he worships the ground you walk on so why not be a real hero and let the poor guy off the hook?

For me it is very exciting to have uncovered one of the biggest secrets in human history: that mankind has been on the moon and mining it for a very long time.

Don't break out the champagne just yet. Where’s your evidence? I certainly don’t see any in this thread.

Remember that these pictures were taken back in 1966 and that strip mine wasn’t created overnight.

What strip mine? It looks like a huge impact crater that was created overnight long before 1966 to me.

For those of you who can’t or are unable to see the excavators, buildings, roads, ramps, arches, vapor, smoke, or anything that would indicate that there is a huge mining operation on Copernicus: I envy you.

Why? Because we have superior credibility filters?

Thanks for your comments johnlear. You don’t have to thank me for mine.