John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

GRID C#5 5-M-8 Lower Right...

This is the same as the "Tunnel Ridge" posted above. Though a lot more difficult to see, a little effort will point out similar features

Colorized... You are looking down on the inclined ramp.. the light part contains the structures... the dark triangle below shows the incline of the ramp.



Un-enhanced...



Contrast reduced...



Labeled... If you compare the "track" in front of the tunnel in both views you will see the round spot on the track that matches in both views

Wow! Amazing stuff Zorgon!

But heck, it's a pity even in this the 21st century, we don't have software to accurately enhance the res of such images! We need to probably bushwack a freakin' Grey from Dulce or Area 51 to write us the code!!

Zorgon your posts on pg 46 show that you have a very active imagination. How you can possibly say there are structures, roads, and cranes in those pictures is beyond me. I do not mean to personally pick on you because there is alot of wild speculation going on in this thread by many of the posters. I am sure that you are earnest and your posts show that you do alot of work to try and get your point across and I commend you for that. I realize that it is not your fault that I cannot see the same things in the photos that you do. I WANT TO BELIEVE. However, I cannot find credible evidence in the pictures that you have posted.Enlarging an already poor quality picture just makes it even lower quality

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The patches are interesting and maybe even more so after reading what the person i quoted have to say on the topic America's involvement in space.

I am surprised that the poster above has such trouble recognizing the features so diligently pointed out! What is with the 'i want to believe'? I am still angry at the producers for including that in such a mostly clever show. Belief should not come into this and i can assure you that had you really 'wanted to believe' you would have been able to count the cars in the MacDonald's ( on the moon) parking lot....

Your not fooling me.

Stellar


[edit on 16-11-2006 by StellarX]

Originally posted by mikesingh
But heck, it's a pity even in this the 21st century, we don't have software to accurately enhance the res of such images!

We DO but it costs a LOT of money... the Airforce has a really good imaging program... last I chescked it runs around 12,000.00..

So how about it? take up a collection? You in for a fiver?

Originally posted by groingrinder
Enlarging an already poor quality picture just makes it even lower quality

If you say so but you don't have to yell!! And no offence taken...

I would like your opinion of this image though... surely you can see more than a rock in this one?




If not that's okay.

In your latest picture I can see a shadow that somewhat resembles a monopoly game board marker. It looks like a cone with a sphere on top. But again the sheer blurriness of the picture makes it impossible for me to draw any conclusions on what that shadow might be.

[edit on 11-17-2006 by groingrinder]

[edit on 11-17-2006 by groingrinder]

Originally posted by StellarX
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The patches are interesting and maybe even more so after reading what the person i quoted have to say on the topic America's involvement in space.

Wow thats more than I had in my list! Thanks for the link!!

In the next few days after I finish my contract I will be posting the really hard facts about the ummmm "state of extra terrestrial mining" I have verified that I can post from those documents... Its gonna take a few days to put them together on my site in order but by Sunday I should have free time again...

So stay tuned... its gonna knock your socks off!

Originally posted by groingrinder
In your latest picture I can see a shadow that somewhat resembles a monopoly game board marker. It looks like a cone with a sphere on top. But again the sheer blurriness of the picture makes it impossible for me to draw any conclusions on what that shadow might be.

So look it up on the full res picture and zoom in with your own software... Its grid reference A-7...

But I am quite sure a huge "monopoly game board marker" on the moon would cause a stir in most circles

Perhaps some ATS merchandise sales should be earmarked for the purchase of that image enhancing program so that we do not have to speculate on the nature of some of the objects perceived in the pictures? I would also donate to a fund that was set up for the acquisition of such software, but I do not have deep enough pockets to buy it for ATS.

I am afraid that all I have is my lowly OEM Photpaint 9 and ACDC. I am no stranger to graphics though as I moderate one website devoted to 3d modeling using Rhinoceros and two that are devoted to uv mapping.

I do not suppose there are any anaglyph images of this area? That would surely clear a few things up. Even back then they had the technology to do that without computers.

I have to say that there is so much hair, dust and air bubbles on those pictures that it makes my eyes hurt looking at them. In 75 I was developing film in my own darkroom and if I had images with this much crap on them, I would have thrown them away.

[edit on 11-17-2006 by groingrinder]

The thread rolls on and generates more food for thought.

This is why I come to this board. There's some really great contributions here.

The Ann Dittmer photography site was interesting, and certainly raises some questions - like for example her comparison between photos she took and photos taken with a telescope thousands of times more expensive.

I remember wondering, when I was a kid, why the 200-inch at Palomar wasn't trained on the moon. I think I even found an explanation of it somewhere, but I don't remember it... which makes me think it wasn't terribly logical or convincing.

If Ann Dittmer can take photos as revealing as she has using her gear (that straight wall feature!), imagine what the Palomar could do.

Obviously, access to the NASA photos would be even better, and the link to the story of the two engineers who managed it was fascinating, although I find it strains credulity a little bit. Why let them see the pictures at all? Why not stonewall? The stuff about the transcripts is interesting, though, and if true, explains quite a bit. I really liked the quote about "Santa Claus coming over the hill".

Originally posted by groingrinder
Enlarging an already poor quality picture just makes it even lower quality

That is correct. Enlarging the picture is actually not magnifying but rather interpolating, thus fake "predicted" pixels are used.

Be aware that it is technically impossible to magnify a digital image when viewed at 100% size. It is already at maximum resolution.

Their names are Moonopoly, Boonopoly and Zoonopoly. 3 humanoids I call Moonbies in this Moon pic. The so called Monopoly looking figure is an adult holding children on the left and right. Look close you will see all 3 heads, to the left of Moonbies the Dark letter N, to the right the white letter S. It will take you a minute to fully view. view with zero brightness @ 80% contrast with a 45 degree refract and tunnel vision. Here is my poem called Moon Beam.
One day I looked upon the Earth's precious Moon,
and thru my new telescope I saw something move.
Could this be life, Oh surely not, this can not be true,
I looked and looked again, I did not even have a clue.
Then low and behold I saw two eyes starring back at me,
Is this possible a human being, could this truely truely be?
But I have always been told life could not possibly be there.
I looked again, one two three humanoids am I seeing a glare?
A five fingered hand raises two fingers to signify peace today.
I raise my hand with two fingers hoping they are looking my way.
And then a cloud on Earth passes by, I am thinking is this a dream?
Was I really really seeing human life forms thru that shiny Moon Beam. Rik Riley



[edit on 17-11-2006 by rikriley]

Originally posted by rikriley
Their names are Moonopoly, Boonopoly and Zoonopoly. 3 humanoids I call Moonbies in this Moon pic.

Rik,
Which Moon pics are you referring to here? I don't see any humanoid faces on the pics Zorgon has posted on this page. Or aren't I seeing things??

And by the way, what do you make of the 'Satan' on Mars in this thread?

[edit on 18-11-2006 by mikesingh]

This pic is the one that Groingrinder is in discussion with Zorgon. On Satan's face on Mars I will hop over to the other thread and tell you what I think I see. This is ironic, from my thousands of hours of viewing Solar System photos the letter S is on the majority of statues and monuments, including many planets moons. I am not saying the letter S is for Satan but it does tell me one thing humanoids have been in our neighborhood a mighty long time. The majority of statues on the Earth's Moon and our solar system are diffinitely Humanoid including Triton and Titon just to name a couple.

Originally posted by groingrinder
Perhaps some ATS merchandise sales should be earmarked for the purchase of that image enhancing program so that we do not have to speculate on the nature of some of the objects perceived in the pictures? I would also donate to a fund that was set up for the acquisition of such software, but I do not have deep enough pockets to buy it for ATS.

LOL well thank you for the thought!!! But save your money... First of all the AF software requires Oracle and a mainframe support to run.. and most of it is designed to work with modern digital images... seems the AF has little use studying old pictures... after all if they want a new image they can just snap a new one from any of there several hundred non existent satellites

The CIA has some forensic/ face recognition software that will help... I am working on getting a free copy LOL

BUT A couple points on viewing these images... [Those that know all this can skip this section ] I do not know what software those that cannot see what we see have, but it IS an important consideration. I was at a friends house a few days ago and he has AOL and dial up... I looked at some of the posted images and found a BIG difference from what I see on my screen...

So I am going to make this point here... then add it to the opening page of my site for future reference...

First images on the web are gif or jpg. The originall .tiff I work with get saved automatically as gif or jpg when pasted into the html.... It won't display the high res tiffs directly... so many of the clips I created when I tried zooming in on them again had lost a LOT of detail...

Second services like AOL and Net Zero use image compression to further reduce what your browser sees... Thats how they "accelerate" their non broadband signals..

Your monitor type, your settings and your browser all make a difference.

End result is that the ONLY WAY you have a chance of seeing what we see is to use a good image program like Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro and download the original large files.... convert them to .tiff, .psp or other such format then enlarger the areas.

It is the ONLY WAY you can determine for yourself if what we show on the grid is there or not. That is why we created the grid.

That being said... I will no longer address issues of the "I can't see it " type. Wasting time arguing that point is just irrelevant to the topic. I know what I am seeing... some see it as well, others do not...

So be it... all I can do is present the evidence as best as I can and leave you to make up your own minds. I also understand that the possibilty that this MIGHT be true is scarry to many... but one point I want to make... Hoagland and many others have millions of people convinced there is something going on on the moon, yet the pictures that exist to back this are unbelievably fuzzy and almost impossible to back up...

Yet here we have at least a few anomalies that do stand out and I gaurantee they will attract a lot of attention over the next few years

From private emails I have been getting I know I am on to something here...

So enjoy the thread and the pictures and the speculation after all this IS the Alien and UFO department. If you see nothing, that's okay, but please stop telling those of us that do that we are crazy

Originally posted by groingrinder
if I had images with this much crap on them, I would have thrown them away.
[edit on 11-17-2006 by groingrinder]

LOL but those images were processed in the onboard processing unit on the Orbiter and they WERE thrown away when the orbiter splattered itself all over the moon [leaving more anomalies for future hunters] so no originals available and all we have is those scanned images from a NASA negative that NASA won't release anymore.

rikriley
The Moonbies....

Well those pictures we are discussing I am saying show buildings and a tunnel but hey at least you see something... LOL and for those who insist on finding the hidden "critters" in the shadows... I bet you all missed the Reptillian lurking about in C#2?
[Hint: He is standing on the "Arched Roadway"]

Originally posted by groingrinder
I see nothing....

So you are telling me that you can not see the archway tunnel in this enlargement? True enlargement does not improve quality, but it can make it easier to see. That ridge picture prints up quite nicely as a 8x10 size and if you step back a little you would be surprised how clear it looks






[edit on 19-11-2006 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zorgon
First images on the web are gif or jpg. The originall .tiff I work with get saved automatically as gif or jpg when pasted into the html.... It won't display the high res tiffs directly... so many of the clips I created when I tried zooming in on them again had lost a LOT of detail...

You forgot PNG.

PNG images can be seen on a web browser, even in Internet Explorer, which has problems with PNG's transparency but works otherwise.

PNG images have lossless compression like TIFF, so the detail is not lost.