John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Originally posted by zorgon

This "Bird on a Pier" shadow is amazingly clear, yet there is no explanation as to its source. The gray color indicates shadow as opposed to a hole.

I spent a bit of time looking at the bird shadow while comparing C5 areas to the same pic in SP200 a few months ago. I then had to find out why there was a 500-foot buzzard casting a shadow on the surface

I came to the conclusion that the shadow is being created by a rock protrusion/overhang...

Not bad...

Okay so how about the cross in Cop #2?



And here it is in Cop #5




Different sun angles, months apart. same "X" Marks the spot



[edit on 26-7-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by rikriley
The number 25 was created by intelligent design. I can not make you see or make you believe anything but I can show you what I see. Rik Riley

[edit on 25-7-2007 by rikriley]

Rik I see nothing mate, some shapes yep but nothing of any note.
You can make things out to be what you want. I can make faces out in clouds but logic tells me they arent really faces.
What is happening is that you 'want' there to be things there, so your imagination tells you they are things, when in actuality they are weird geological formations. You cannot judge formations on the moon as if they were on earth. There is little gravity and no atmosphere on the moon despite what some would have you believe and in those conditions with thousands of meteorites, big and small hitting it, strange formations will be formed. You are judging things on another world by the same criteria you use for things on the earth which you simply cannot do.

What you are seeing are geological formations that look like things, but that doesnt mean they are things, and you arent going to prove anything untill someone actually goes there.
Take a look around on Google Earth or any of the other satellite photo sites of the earth and you can make out dozens, hundreds of weird looking things.

Originally posted by Chorlton
Rik I see nothing mate, some shapes yep but nothing of any note.

LOL so how many times are you going to tell us "you see nothing"? We kinda got that part

I suppose the cross shape that matches in two photos is just meteorites too huh?

:bash:

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Chorlton
Rik I see nothing mate, some shapes yep but nothing of any note.

LOL so how many times are you going to tell us "you see nothing"? We kinda got that part

I suppose the cross shape that matches in two photos is just meteorites too huh?
:bash:

They are simply unknow geological oddities. To call them anything else is ridiculous because we will never know.
And thats your point isnt it, to make all these ridiculous claims because you know they will never be proven or dissproven in your lifetime so you try and get away with it.

You CANNOT judge geological formations on an alien planet using Earth criteria. it simply wont work.

Originally posted by Chorlton
They are simply unknow geological oddities. To call them anything else is ridiculous because we will never know.

Why won't we ever know? Is there some sort of cover up going on?

Originally posted by chucktaggart

Originally posted by Chorlton
They are simply unknow geological oddities. To call them anything else is ridiculous because we will never know.

Why won't we ever know? Is there some sort of cover up going on?

Because I doubt NASA are going to bother tootling around on the moon trying to substantiate the claims of a few people with overactive imaginations.

But dont let me stop you, start building that rocket !

Originally posted by Chorlton

They are simply unknow geological oddities. To call them anything else is ridiculous because we will never know. And thats your point isnt it, to make all these ridiculous claims because you know they will never be proven or dissproven in your lifetime so you try and get away with it.
You CANNOT judge geological formations on an alien planet using Earth criteria. it simply wont work.

Thanks Chorlton for your post. I have had a chance to review your posts for the past several weeks and the predominant theme would seem to indicate that you are incapable or at least unwilling to see the obvious.

While many would think this is purely a psychological ‘disability’, I don’t. I think it may be simply a psychological defense mechanism in which your mind is seeking to defend itself against a threat, a threat which it (the mind) it incapable of dealing with.

And before I continue let me be perfectly clear I am not a doctor nor do I play on on TV.

Buildings, bridges, constructs, space ships, cities, spaceports all would be a ‘threat’ to a mind which is incapable of assimilating this knowledge into its everyday life so the mind’s defense mechanisms snaps shut and refuses to ‘see’ what everyone can see clearly.

Many have this internal defense mechanism but, unlike you, they continue on with their lives without trying to convince others with post after post after post.

While I would normally not care about so many posts manifesting your ‘defense mechanism’ you are beginning to waste bandwidth.

With your permission I would like to give you one more test to see if you can see what the rest of see on the moon.

Below are three photos taken by the Lick Observatory with their 36” telescope.

The photos are of Promontory Agarum on the southeast shore of Mare Crisium. Each photo gets progressively closer so you can see clearly the surrounding area and that these images are not just some trick of the mind.

This is the first photo of Prom Agarum. Look closely. Do you see any dancing elephants?



Heres a closeup. See the dancing elephants?



If you don’t see any pink dancing elephants at Mare Crisium in the photo below then you definitely need to consider that you may have a ‘psychological defense mechanism’ of some sort that prevents you from seeing what all of the rest of us see on the moon.



Perhaps you should consider not posting on this thread and further embarrassing yourself and wasting bandwidth. Thanks.

Forgive me for my newness, but did John point out the region that is "fishy" yet? I would read all of the prior posts but I simply don't have time to read 196 pages! (I lasted for about 14)

The regions that stand out the most for me (copernicus5.gif, or 155 just to be clear) are the "streamlike" white and black areas from the bottom-middle winding its way up. It seems to me that it could be easily modified, although I do not know what photo-manipulation means NASA would have had at the time that they "modified" it.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Chorlton

They are simply unknow geological oddities. To call them anything else is ridiculous because we will never know. And thats your point isnt it, to make all these ridiculous claims because you know they will never be proven or dissproven in your lifetime so you try and get away with it.
You CANNOT judge geological formations on an alien planet using Earth criteria. it simply wont work.

Thanks Chorlton for your post. I have had a chance to review your posts for the past several weeks and the predominant theme would seem to indicate that you are incapable or at least unwilling to see the obvious.


While many would think this is purely a psychological ‘disability’, I don’t. I think it may be simply a psychological defense mechanism in which your mind is seeking to defend itself against a threat, a threat which it (the mind) it incapable of dealing with.

Wow Im impressed, not only do you see things that arent there, you are also a psychiatrist now?

And before I continue let me be perfectly clear I am not a doctor

Then stop trying to act like one

Buildings, bridges, constructs, space ships, cities, spaceports all would be a ‘threat’ to a mind which is incapable of assimilating this knowledge into its everyday life so the mind’s defense mechanisms snaps shut and refuses to ‘see’ what everyone can see clearly.

No John, its quite obvious from many posts that not 'everyone' can see the things you see, so dont try inventing support when you have little.

Buildings bridges, constructs, space ships cities spaceports all would be there in the imagination of someone who really want to prove to himself there is something there when he knows, deep down there really is nothing and that nothing is really going to be proven before he dies.

Many have this internal defense mechanism but, unlike you, they continue on with their lives without trying to convince others with post after post after post.

And there are many people who want to continue to retain their high visibility and keep on trying to convince others with post after post

While I would normally not care about so many posts manifesting your ‘defense mechanism’ you are beginning to waste bandwidth.

Your concern over others bandwidth is touching

With your permission I would like to give you one more test to see if you can see what the rest of see on the moon.
Below are three photos taken by the Lick Observatory with their 36” telescope.
The photos are of Promontory Agarum on the southeast shore of Mare Crisium. Each photo gets progressively closer so you can see clearly the surrounding area and that these images are not just some trick of the mind.
This is the first photo of Prom Agarum. Look closely. Do you see any dancing elephants?

Nope, I see geological formations. are you trying to tell me there are elephants on the moon now?, did they build the 'soul catcher'

Heres a closeup. See the dancing elephants?

Nope, even closer geological formations

If you don’t see any pink dancing elephants at Mare Crisium in the photo below then you definitely need to consider that you may have a ‘psychological defense mechanism’ of some sort that prevents you from seeing what all of the rest of us see on the moon.

Ahh I see where youre coming from now. If I dont have your delusions, its ME thats delusional?? Isnt that called transferrance John? transferring ones own afflictions on to others to make them believe they are mad.
But there you go again with that 'all the rest of us see on the moon'
You have a few supporters who have your imagination and a few who tremor at "Golly gosh its John Lear so it must be true" forgive me for not prostrating myself at your feet. 'All of us' DONT support your visions.

Perhaps you should consider not posting on this thread and further embarrassing yourself and wasting bandwidth. Thanks.

From where Im sitting John its you thats embarassing yourself with all these visions, All the planets inhabitted? Soul Collectors?? Craft being able to land on the sun?
Maybe its time to take your own advice, or is it just that Im getting a little too close to the truth?

Originally posted by johnlear

Heres a closeup. See the dancing elephants?

If you don’t see any pink dancing elephants at Mare Crisium in the photo below then you definitely need to consider that you may have a ‘psychological defense mechanism’ of some sort that prevents you from seeing what all of the rest of us see on the moon.

I don't get it... Is that supposed to be a joke?
I agree with Chorlton. I think people that see "pink elephants" do so because they want to. Try the ink blot test or look at the clouds... I'll bet you'll see "pink elephants" there as well.
Usually I just take a pass on these types of discussions... just my "defense mechanism" at work I guess

Originally posted by mecheng

Originally posted by johnlear

I don't get it... Is that supposed to be a joke?
I agree with Chorlton. I think people that see "pink elephants" do so because they want to. Try the ink blot test or look at the clouds... I'll bet you'll see "pink elephants" there as well.
Usually I just take a pass on these types of discussions... just my "defense mechanism" at work I guess

You don't see the pink elephant in that picture? It is clearly in the picture, John can't make it any more obvious than that.

[edit on 26-7-2007 by chucktaggart]

I was checking out some links about the imagery process people and guess what, it comes up blank. Here is what i'm talking about.

www.actgate.com...
ACT’s long list of accomplishments include doing all the front-end image processing for such crucial missions as Clementine , Stardust (JPL/NASA), Rapid Environmental Assessment Exercises (NATO), MSTI-2&3 (Air force) and providing on-going satellite imagery analysis to clients such as US NAVY, DOD, NATO, and NOAA.

So when you go to the page about Clemetine
www.actgate.com...
you find out that it no longer exists or has been moved. Some would think that this was done on purpose while others would say it is a server problem or wrong hyperlink. I haven't emailed them about this yet but I wanted to let you all know about it since this is a conspiricy website.

Since this is the company that loaded all the data for the agencies to see I would think they would know about anything that went on with any images that their customers have shown to the public. I don't know if they will say that the pictures we see online were touched up but this would be one place to check out.

Once I start work again I email them from that account since it should get a better answer then the one I would get from a Yahoo account.

I also hope that the posts from now on stay on topic and the admin keep this thread on course.

Hi Zorgon,

In reference to:

"I too have looked at your Lomonsov crater, just haven't had time to post comments, sorry been real busy trying to catch up "

What do you think it might be any theories ?

And do you think it has been tampered with or do you think it should look kinda glassy like that.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

If ESA's Lomonosov does not look similar to this Apollo 8 photo then it has been tampered with. This photo is AS8-12-2209.

John "
JOHN

THIS TIME I SEE IT LOOK files.abovetopsecret.com...

ITS YOU WITH SUNGLASSES ON

Ive seen the light. Im not mad. I cant see pink elephants but I can see you on the moon ! Its even got your hair !

Tell me you see it too ?

[edit on 26/7/07 by Chorlton]

HI John,

Thank you very much for your photo and also your input it's a pleasure to talk to you.

Well this is great ! , because I believe I can see the same anomaly on both.
You know when I first saw the Apollo pic I thought because of the angle it was taken and the seeming lack of sharpness that even if it was there you wouldn't see it anyway.
However after downloading it and zooming in on the area it certainly looks to me as if its there, fantastic!
So no retouch methinks.
Any guesses to what it might be ?

Thanks again John.

Originally posted by meller
Forgive me for my newness, but did John point out the region that is "fishy" yet?

LOL the "fishy" area is Copernicus crater. The "fishy" items are all listed on this page... and yes they are labeled according to what we THINK they are, so live with it There are more to add but there are many there already and they are listed by name at the bottom..

Copernicus Grid Reference

I would read all of the prior posts but I simply don't have time to read 196 pages! (I lasted for about 14)

Well thats better than many I have had questions that would have been answered if one read the firs page. Its a good thing I keep all the data on the website.

The Living Moon

Unfortunately though... it too has many pages and requires reading... I do not have a Reader's Digest condensed to three pages or less version, sorry... its just not possible

It seems to me that it could be easily modified, although I do not know what photo-manipulation means NASA would have had at the time that they "modified" it.

Q-tips and developer fluid.... also scotch tape to hold overlays in place while they rephotographed them... I just was made privy to some really interesting material and we will post it as soon as I get all the permissions etc together.
Also don't forget that the Lunar Orbiter photos had NO negative on Earth... all the prints were created from a video feed from the spacecraft. The original 70 mm negatives were processed onboard and crashed on the moon. I do not recall the state of video editing back then, but there was no actual negative to work from.

Originally posted by Chorlton

JOHN

THIS TIME I SEE IT LOOK files.abovetopsecret.com...

ITS YOU WITH SUNGLASSES ON

Ive seen the light. Im not mad. I cant see pink elephants but I can see you on the moon ! Its even got your hair !

Tell me you see it too ?

By jove, Chorlton, I think you've got it! Jolly good show! What!

Originally posted by sherpa
What do you think it might be any theories ?

Ah I see John posted the full image...

Yes I have theories And there are many more itens than the ones I will show. Undo has another set, but I don't have those handy and need to add them to the webpage... I have a lot of catchup to do... any volunteers?

Farside Base....



Closeup of the main structure...



Here it is in Negative...



And here it is highlighted



Here is the launch pad and transit tube...
Highlighted

Labelled


And below is the industrial compound to the right. I have actually traced the road to the terminal building... Look closely at the road where I put the pointers you can see one point where its along a cliff and has a sharp angle, then goes through a hill to continue.

To those who cannot see these things I refer you to the next post. Perhaps you will get a better idea...

[edit on 26-7-2007 by zorgon]