John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Originally posted by sherpa
Ok..so John Lear states that Jupiter is populated in which case would not the locals get a little miffed with someone dropping Plutonium in there backyard ?
Don't get me wrong here I am not trying to debunk but I seemed to be puzzled again.

Regarding the ESA and other potential space participaters, are we saying that NASA is pressurising them into not having a space program or is it the others cannot afford it, or have they been seduced maybe by a line like " hey we can do all the space exploration that's needed so you could save your money and let us do all the hard work", I don't know what do think ?

Do you know how America keeps West Africa from producing cotton, and therefore dependant on American charity to feed its people? Subsidize American cotton farmers to goad them into growing cotton. This puts enough on the market that the it is devalued worldwide. Combine that with taxes on imports of cotton and you have a situation where farmers there cannot afford to raise and sell cotton. Why do we do this? Resources. The more nations we keep under our thumbs, the greater the national security.

The problem is, this theory is failing. The poor are now able to access things like nukes via mafia contacts in the failed USSR's old province's. The game has changed.

Don't for one minute think that we, as a nation, do not use such exploitative foreign policy ploys. China is not pushed so easily, so they must think that there is an ace up their sleeve, too. But, if we don't want other countries in space, other countries will not enter space. Rogue nations are tolerated, not enticed.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
The problem is, this theory is failing. The poor are now able to access things like nukes via mafia contacts in the failed USSR's old province's. The game has changed.

Russia has control over its nuclear arsenal. That whole story about Soviet mafia acquiring and selling nuclear technology (aka: suitcase bombs) is fantasy, made up to help insight fear that some terrorist group might actually acquire one of these and use it in Europe or the US.

Originally posted by chucktaggart

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
The problem is, this theory is failing. The poor are now able to access things like nukes via mafia contacts in the failed USSR's old province's. The game has changed.

Russia has control over its nuclear arsenal. That whole story about Soviet mafia acquiring and selling nuclear technology (aka: suitcase bombs) is fantasy, made up to help insight fear that some terrorist group might actually acquire one of these and use it in Europe or the US.

Of course its all made up. That is what you call "Dissonant Reasoning". Deny anything that is unsettling.

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. There are several reports regarding the unaccounted for materials.

There are direct reports about the lackluster security in the old union. Stories of soldiers who are poorly equipped and ill informed placed in quard of materials that are far more dangerous than the soldiers guarding them.

It is all economics. How do you pay for a top level security force when you can only feed them scraps and pay them pittance?

I am more scared by the morons who have the nukes and we are aware of it, if you want my opinion.

But, back on topic....if we didn't want China in space, we could prevent it. We have held the worlds neck under our boot for many decades, and as of yet no other nation has developed the ability to stand up yet. It is why we are hated, yet admired at the same time. Those who don't live here want to (even though they complain) more often than not because we have one commodity that they lack in their own nation: opportunity.

How do you keep yourself desirable when trying to recruit the worlds greatest minds? Maintain your edge in opportunity. The roots of this concepts are mired in Project Paperclip and continue to this day.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
But, back on topic....if we didn't want China in space, we could prevent it.

Maybe with that secret space force Gary Mckinnon found in them thar NASA computers that they locked him away for life for

Just a thought...

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Those who don't live here want to (even though they complain) more often than not because we have one commodity that they lack in their own nation: opportunity.

My god you do spout some macho rubbish, but dont worry, as an american most people will ignore it.

However

I would like to publicly state I DO NOT WISH TO LIVE IN THE USA.
So your statement above is, like most of the entire post, Total Rubbish.

Originally posted by Chorlton

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Those who don't live here want to (even though they complain) more often than not because we have one commodity that they lack in their own nation: opportunity.

My god you do spout some macho rubbish, but dont worry, as an american most people will ignore it.

However

I would like to publicly state I DO NOT WISH TO LIVE IN THE USA.
So your statement above is, like most of the entire post, Total Rubbish.

Perhaps both parties benefit from your decision?

Seriously...many people in this world do not get opportunities. You having a regular internet connection and the time (and luxury) to use it indicates that you are not so short on opportunity. Maybe if i had said that almost everyone would prefer to live in America, it would have been more accurate?

Would that every person in the world could stop fighting for their very lives and be concerned with whether or not John Lear was a crank. If that were so, then perhaps we would be able to move forward in our research and some level of disclosure. Of course, then we may find that Mr. Lear is not as far off as some would think.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Perhaps both parties benefit from your decision?

Seriously...many people in this world do not get opportunities. You having a regular internet connection and the time (and luxury) to use it indicates that you are not so short on opportunity. Maybe if i had said that almost everyone would prefer to live in America, it would have been more accurate?

No. I think you inflate the desirability of the US based on what I call the "God Bless America syndrome" where the ones who think the USA is the best country in the world and shout about it are generally those who have never been out of it. Have you ever been outside of it?.
You should also ask yourself, how many would leave and live elsewhere if they could?

Ive travelled to many many countries in the world both rich and poor, including several states in the USA and can quite honestly say wild horses couldnt drag me to live in the US, or for that matter any country outside the EU. From what I have seen most people in the EU and many other countries in the world are quite happy with their lives and standards of living. I have dual nationality UK and Australian and I choose to live in the UK.
Pleas understand this isnt any insult to the US or its citizens , but a lot of people in the world do get a bit pissed off at this US is best bull#.

Would that every person in the world could stop fighting for their very lives and be concerned with whether or not John Lear was a crank. If that were so, then perhaps we would be able to move forward in our research and some level of disclosure. Of course, then we may find that Mr. Lear is not as far off as some would think.

Or we might find out that he is indeed WAY off as many of us suspect??

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Of course its all made up. That is what you call "Dissonant Reasoning". Deny anything that is unsettling.

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. There are several reports regarding the unaccounted for materials.

There are direct reports about the lackluster security in the old union. Stories of soldiers who are poorly equipped and ill informed placed in quard of materials that are far more dangerous than the soldiers guarding them.

Who are these "direct reports" coming from, the answer is the same people that want us to live in fear. The only way somebody is going to get their hands on a nuclear device from the former Soviet Union is if we (by we I mean collectively US, Russia, China, Europe...) want them to for whatever reason.

[edit on 25-7-2007 by chucktaggart]

John could be far off...who knows. That is the beauty of why we are on this site.

Listen, you obviously have a good life. You have internet access. But, the EU is far from ideal. There are many muslims rioting and plotting that would agree with me, as they are your marginalized people (here we have other demographics that are marginalized currently, with muslims achieving a pretty mainstream life in areas outside Michigan).

No place is heaven. The US is just, financially, far better off.

I have a friend from the UK. She wants to move here for one reason alone: we have canned biscuits. strange the things that you go without. In return for shipments of canned biscuits, she sends me the UK version of Milky Way and Snickers (i like them far better) and cans of ambrosia custard (OMG, how do we in the US live without the stuff). But i have passed on the Marmolet (sp?) cracker spread. It smells like dead skunks butts.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

No place is heaven. The US is just, financially, far better off.

Better off than what? Dont you realise that to an awfull lot of people in the world, financial wealth is not that high on their list of wants. Once again this is so typical of the US arrogance.

Originally posted by Chorlton

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

No place is heaven. The US is just, financially, far better off.

Better off than what? Dont you realise that to an awfull lot of people in the world, financial wealth is not that high on their list of wants. Once again this is so typical of the US arrogance.

Should you wish to discuss this further, PM me and we can continue. No need to continue boring folks with off topic, political schpiel.

Two pages back, I posted pics of massive rectilinear formations on the moon. What an idoit! I thought this was the moon anomalies thread.

Carry on.

Originally posted by gottago
Two pages back, I posted pics of massive rectilinear formations on the moon. What an idoit! I thought this was the moon anomalies thread.

Carry on.

Well I saw some pics of the moon surface (if indeed that was actually what it was) but didnt see any "rectilinear formations" at all.
Just lots of craters and geological formations.
Nice pic though!

Originally posted by gottago
Two pages back, I posted pics of massive rectilinear formations on the moon. What an idiot! I thought this was the moon anomalies thread.

It is, but sometime things get side tracked ;( And I haven't had the time lately to hang out here as much.

Originally posted by gottago
I just thought I'd throw these lunar anomalies into the maw, and see what comes out. They come from this NASA/Apollo 16 image of the far side of the Moon (.5 Mb tiff available for download at link).

I assume you are referring to this post?

That image is a mosaic made of many strips and sections all pasted together to give the full image. The "grid" that you noticed is created by these overlays and can many times appear as anomalies. It is interesting though how so many areas appear rectangular

But I do see the one that really stands out The blacked out rectangle that Chorlton needs new glasses to see



This one is interesting too...




The image may in fact not be a mosaic afterall, just a low res jpeg saved as a .tiff, something NASA likes doing these days, but I say it may not be a mosaic because all the fiducial marks are spaced the same. The pixellation is very similar to the old jpeg versions of the Clementine images, before they released the color images



[edit on 25-7-2007 by zorgon]

Chorlton, I want to point out an anomaly on the Moon to you. You are having a hard time seeing any kind of anomaly so I will make it easy for you to finally see one. Lets do a little vectoring using the face of the Moon as a clock. Using the Moon photo displayed by gottago a couple of pages back and recently Zorgon above my post NASA/Apollo16image Enlarge this particular photo of the farside of the Moon.

Let me first take you to Mare Crisium the darkened area near the edge at 8:00. Above Mare Crisium at 9:00 is a somewhat darkened area lets call it the floor of a crater. You will first notice a huge light gray number 5 or an upsidedown number 2 and next to the number 5 to the left is a light gray in color number 2 or some will see a backward huge letter S. For practical purposes for location lets designate the anomaly as the number 25. Even if you have to use a magnifying glass you will finally see the number 25 if you will train your eyes on this 9:00 location.

The number 25 was created by intelligent design. I can not make you see or make you believe anything but I can show you what I see. Rik Riley

[edit on 25-7-2007 by rikriley]

Originally posted by rikriley I can not make you see or make you believe anything but I can show you what I see.

LOL what we need for the Chorlton's of the world is some big ones... that are easy to see... Hey Rik... send me some of your favorite "statue" ones I think I will make a collection


Here is a few just to get warmed up...
This "Bird on a Pier" shadow is amazingly clear, yet there is no explanation as to its source. The gray color indicates shadow as opposed to a hole.



Here is the Reptilian hidden in the shadows... I know Rik likes this one...
Maybe a touch of red in the eyes?



This "Statue" is my favorite, because it is clearly visible on all versions of 162, even the lower res copies... and it is very detailed if you look at it closely in a graphic program



And then we have the "Butler" from Copernicus #5. I am very sure those boys at NASA painted that eye in there... it doesn't match the texture of the rest of the image



Now if Herr Chorlton cannot see these.. there is no hope at all and we should chip in for a white cane

But all joking aside... I want to know what THIS is...



[edit on 25-7-2007 by zorgon]

Zorgon, lets forget the pink squidman just for a minute. let me bring to your attention your 2nd photo you displayed as squid01. To the bottom right of this 2nd photo you will see a dark gray humanoid face wearing an upsidedown funnel type helmet. You can see the shinny reflection of light off the dark helmet. Look for 2 eyes use a magnifying glass if you have to to stretch the image. This will help you lock in on the funnelman and will take your eyes a little while to adjust to see the anomaly. Look for round shaped eyes you may also see a double face one looking left that becomes one face looking forward. Rik Riley

[edit on 25-7-2007 by rikriley]

Well guess I better post a close-up of what really got me--the triangle in the farside apollo 16 moon mosaic.

So here it is:




I can see a mosaic causing some distortion and creating lines, but that much? in that one area? with shadows?

[edit for photo insertion problems]

[edit on 25-7-2007 by gottago]

I agree with Zorgon. It looks like jpeg artifact to me, too. I am not that good with photoshop yet, so i don't know why i cannot open the image to remove the jpeg artifact (if, indeed, i could....i know that it is available and sometimes works, but sometimes doesn't).


But you are right...there are tons of rectilinear formations. They look like giant, pixelated "X"'s.

Well the jpg conversion and enlargement turns the images to total mush so I agree with your comment in that sense. The large tiff renders much much better but you can't post them here, you've got to get it from the site.