John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Originally posted by rikriley
Chorlton, thanks for your response. You say do not be fooled they ARE mining cheese on the Moon. You missed spelled cheese it is spelled helium 3.

I forgot to tell you about plan B on the Moon if I should die by taking off my helmet of which I dought very much, but as a backup if there is not sufficient oxygen to breath. There is always the soul collector as my plan B, so my soul would not have to travel very far to be captured and prepared for recycle. Rik Riley

You are a very wise and obviously handsome man.

Originally posted by Chorlton
However if people make outrageous statements, worded carefully to seem like that are factual

There is NO mining at present taking place on the moon, not is there any permanent base on the moon at present.

Please qualify this ridiculous statement on your part with proof to back it up or restate it that this is merely your opinion...

Practice what you preach. It works both ways



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Now this is interesting...

Mars Rovers Caught in Severe Dust Storm
07.20.2007
July 20, 2007: Having explored Mars for three-and-a-half years in what were missions originally designed for three months, NASA's Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity are facing perhaps their biggest challenge.

For nearly a month, a series of severe Martian summer dust storms has affected the rover Opportunity and, to a lesser extent, its twin, Spirit. The dust in the Martian atmosphere over Opportunity has blocked 99 percent of direct sunlight to the rover, leaving only the limited diffuse sky light to power it. Scientists fear the storms might continue for several days, if not weeks. "We're rooting for our rovers to survive these storms, but they were never designed for conditions this intense," says Alan Stern, associate administrator of NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington.

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Three times in the past the dust has covered the Rovers, making them almost grind to a halt... then miraculously the dust just goes away and they are once again spotless...

Now I wonder who has the rag and Windex? It will be interesting to see if they clean them again



And here it is again all spiffy clean on Sol 471...




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zorgon,

Actually, what's happening is that Martian Dust devils come by and suck the dust off of the rovers after the storm is over. I'm sure that you've seen the captures of the dust devils right in front of the rover, but here's one for posterity..

TheBorg

Originally posted by TheBorg
zorgon,

Actually, what's happening is that Martian Dust devils come by and suck the dust off of the rovers after the storm is over. I'm sure that you've seen the captures of the dust devils right in front of the rover, but here's one for posterity..

TheBorg

Nice to see you back Herr Borg...

Hmmm are you sure about that? Or are you merely stating NASA's opinion? You are refering to these Dust Devils I assume?

Now I live here in Nevada, a countryside that resembles Mars so closely the rovers could be out back LOL. Maybe here? (Nevada Test Center)


We have HUGE dust devils here, and they leave just as much dust in their wake as they blow away. I have never seen ONE that leave everything clean afterwards.

It would also be a very interesting coincidence that every few months a convenient dust devil comes along at random and cleans both Rovers half a planet apart.

I think I will stick with the "rag and windex" version for now...

Now for all you NASA cult members... a few dust devils





Next report... we are going to pull Clementine out of mothballs and try to figure out who repaired and refueled it


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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Chorlton
However if people make outrageous statements, worded carefully to seem like that are factual

There is NO mining at present taking place on the moon, not is there any permanent base on the moon at present.

Please qualify this ridiculous statement on your part with proof to back it up or restate it that this is merely your opinion...

Practice what you preach. It works both ways

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No sir. Common logic and present scientific knowledge would back up what I said. Show me an official NASA statement that states there is presently a mining operation on the moon. OR show me a statement from an alien rece to the same effect.

There is no mining at present taking place on the moon, there may be in the future but at present there is no known Earth mining base on the moon.

Originally posted by Chorlton
No sir. Common logic and present scientific knowledge would back up what I said.

Only problem with that is in THIS thread we are challenging "common" knowledge as being incorrect at the least, and a cover up at the worst. ATS is all about exploring conspiracies and way out theories. You say our search is pointless. I and many others here would disagree, and meetings I had this past few days have confirmed to me that we are on the right track but that "..we only have the tip of the cats tail" so far

Show me an official NASA statement that states there is presently a mining operation on the moon.

No, for two reasons;
1) because you have already stated you won't read my documents anyway because they are irrelevent...
2) because I don't have any published by NASA. The ones I have have different agencies on the letterhead... I have a problem using NASA as my source, especially when a letter to a NASA historian requesting a document comes back stating they don't have it and refer me to a Russian based website that has a good summary

But for the rest of out cult members in the thread, I will be releasing them shortly... 4 volumes, thousands of pages, as soon as I get a copy of volume 2 so you will have to be patient.

OR show me a statement from an alien rece to the same effect.

I have it on good authority that the aliens around here only communicate via telepathy, so I am sure they won't be giving you a statement.

There is no mining at present taking place on the moon,

In your opinion... which you have nothing other than "common" knowledge to back you up...

but at present there is no known Earth mining base on the moon.

AH! Well Hoagland also believes that the Mine on the Moon is not ours... but we are mining ancient tech left behind... so at least your halfway there. Oh BTW you just contradicted yourself again

But you can repeat this a thousand times, it won't deter us from seeking the answers and presenting the evidence to those with an open mind...

You know... the Nevada Desert is a really interesting place... you never know what you stumble upon out there near those "special" areas...

Found this just lying around a few days ago... just over the mountain from John's house... Look familiar to anyone?







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Originally posted by zorgon

Only problem with that is in THIS thread we are challenging "common" knowledge as being incorrect at the least, and a cover up at the worst. ATS is all about exploring conspiracies and way out theories. You say our search is pointless. I and many others here would disagree, and meetings I had this past few days have confirmed to me that we are on the right track but that "..we only have the tip of the cats tail" so far

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Fine, when they get some close up photos from the surface of the moon of the mining gear, post them here. Untill then...............

Show me an official NASA statement that states there is presently a mining operation on the moon.

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No, for two reasons;
1) because you have already stated you won't read my documents anyway because they are irrelevent...

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So you havent got any then? I mean actual statements saying there is mining equipment on the moon..............
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2) because I don't have any published by NASA. The ones I have have different agencies on the letterhead... I have a problem using NASA as my source, especially when a letter to a NASA historian requesting a document comes back stating they don't have it and refer me to a Russian based website that has a good summary

But for the rest of out cult members

in the thread, I will be releasing them shortly... 4 volumes, thousands of pages, as soon as I get a copy of volume 2 so you will have to be patient.

OR show me a statement from an alien rece to the same effect.

I have it on good authority that the aliens around here only communicate via telepathy, so I am sure they won't be giving you a statement.

There is no mining at present taking place on the moon,

In your opinion... which you have nothing other than "common" knowledge to back you up...
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But the generally accepted position is that, untill provided with 100% proof of the existance of any settlements, bases or mining equipment on the moon, the moon is a bare barren uninhabitted wasteland.

but at present there is no known Earth mining base on the moon.

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AH! Well Hoagland also believes that the Mine on the Moon is not ours... but we are mining ancient tech left behind... so at least your halfway there.

Oh BTW you just contradicted yourself again

But you can repeat this a thousand times, it won't deter us from seeking the answers and presenting the evidence to those with an open mind...
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Indeed, and I hope you keep looking.
When you present a closeup photo of a settlement or mining base taken on the surface of the moon from about 50 yards away. I will believe you.
I wont wait up though.

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You know... the Nevada Desert is a really interesting place... you never know what you stumble upon out there near those "special" areas...

Found this just lying around a few days ago... just over the mountain from John's house... Look familiar to anyone?
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Why is it interesting? we are discussing the moon not Lears back yard

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Originally posted by zorgon
And here it is again all spiffy clean on Sol 471...

If you consider that spiffy clean I hope your not the responsible for the cleaning of your "castle".

The street where I live, although not on Mars, is a very windy street, and we had some years ago a dust storm from North Africa that left everything covered with a layer of dust. Most of the dust was cleaned by the wind after that storm, so I don't see anything unusual in the rovers getting cleaned up by winds.

Most of the dust that did not go away with the wind was because it rained during the storm, and the first layer of dust was almost glued to everything and was very difficult to clean.


PS: I know that I shouldn't be answering to an off-topic post, but as apparently some people are allowed to do them, maybe I can get away with it.

Originally posted by ArMaP
... so I don't see anything unusual in the rovers getting cleaned up by winds.

LOL right on cue ArMaP New I could count on you but perhaps you could find some different way of saying "I don't see anything unusual" That image is not "spiffy clean" anymore because it is taken 114 days later... lots of time to get new dust..

But I see you made no comment about me finding the other Rover parked out here in the Nevada Desert

I know that I shouldn't be answering to an off-topic post, but as apparently some people are allowed to do them, maybe I can get away with it.

Its not really off topic, because the Mars stuff ties in with the Moon stuff... as its the same theory we present... so your okay I just read a report from an insider from John that talks about the two people caught on film but we will get back to that when its printed out

Don't forget... we have been accused of running a "tabloid" here so what the heck go with the flow... it reaches the common folke and gives the skeptics an easy out



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I just thought I'd throw these lunar anomalies into the maw, and see what comes out. They come from this NASA/Apollo 16 image of the far side of the Moon (.5 Mb tiff available for download at link).





This area is in the upper center of the image.

Circled in red upper-left is a huge "snowflake" just above a reticule, and below is circled one of what I assume are several small square blackouts by NASA in that area.

The big and small rectangles pretty much speak for themselves--staggeringly huge rectilinear "craters" and long parallel lines, all on the same tilted grid. There are others just above the big red rectangle, but I didn't want to clutter the image.

When you look at that area in the high-res version, the number of "lines" following this tilted grid is quite startling.

I'd also like to point out the triangular "thing" that sits in the upper center of the big red rectangle, between the bottom end of the long, upside-down, backwards "L" and the start of the line parallel to it and below to its right.

More cheese! Food for thought...

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Well it's nice to know at least someones looked at my post of Lomonsov crater, thanks See4myself and you say you did see somtehing excellent.
However did you or anyone think this has been air brushed ?
The thing is this pic was from a European Space Agency satellite called Smart-1, so not NASA, if this was airbrushed than ESA are pulling the same tricks as NASA.
The other odd thing is they either purposly allowed the satellite to crash or proactively crashed it.
What's the point of that why not just let it orbit and keep taking pictures, unless of course there was something it would photograph that would be difficult to cover up.
Just a passing thought nothing more.


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Zorgon....

were you on government land? Who owned that land you found the rover on?

It looks very similar to the new rover that is going up.

You should have it in your garage now, right?

Now that would be funny...wake up in the morning to find NASA has tried to maneuver their rover out of your toolshed or something?

Did you try lifting it or anything, to get an idea of how substantial it is/was?

They must be stupid if they are conducting experiments out by Johns house. Surely they must know who he is and where he lives, right?

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Ah.. Actually I have just confirmed Smart-1 was crashed deliberately, the reason given is "Scientists hope that the impact will have kicked up a large enough quantity of fresh lunar "soil" so that they may study its composition".
I don't quite understand this either, after the satellite has crashed how are you going to study it.
This being the case there doesn't seem to be any plans to send another Satellite either.
And just out of general interest here is a link to a Pic of the Moon right after the end of eclipse totality.
Hmm..is that a hint of blue hue or are my old eyes deceiving me, (by the way you would probably want do download it and Zoom in a little).

Just my two Penny worth.


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Ok, I don't know whats happening but I will try and get the url on this post.


www.esa.int...

Hello everyone,

It has cost me several weeks! But I have read all pages of this wonderfull thread
I am from the Netherlands and my english is not the state of the art level like the most posting here (sorry ). However I will try to contribute in this forum from now and then. I have got enough considerations about the subject to post sometimes I think.

It seems to me sometimes the skeptics don't move their thoughts toward, maybe, some little more open minded areas. Only debunking has nothing to do with growing to a higher level of understanding and awakening for "the truth", whatever it is. (btw: The most skeptics posting here, seem to see/believe real anomalies in other photo's, however they stop right away with contributing some thoughts about the origin of those. In my opinion thats a pitty)

On the other hand. The believers, I am one of them, stay with there findings as if they are right anyway. In some situations (I will not point out those, I just want to make a general point here) the skeptics have very good arguments or explanations of an amolitie...

What I want to say is only this simple thing:
By keeping open minded from both sides the big pictures will me more clear.

Well. My first post. No new anomalies found here. Or maybe I am the anomaly here?

Lunica

Originally posted by sherpa
Well it's nice to know at least someones looked at my post of Lomonsov crater,

I too have looked at your Lomonsov crater, just haven't had time to post comments, sorry been real busy trying to catch up

The thing is this pic was from a European Space Agency satellite called Smart-1, so not NASA, if this was airbrushed than ESA are pulling the same tricks as NASA.

All ESA website now also show the NASA emblem... and Japan and India have backed out of the Moon race. Only China is left and NASA has had meetings with China, seems they are now thinking it over... race for the moon, or build a chinese space station with NASA's help I have the reports but you can easily google this

The other odd thing is they either purposly allowed the satellite to crash or proactively crashed it.

They crashed it on purpose, to watch the impact... It raised a nice plume of dust (hehehe)

It is the way that these boys do this now... rather than leave them there to be recycled in the future they smash them into planets. Google Nasa crashed spacecraft and you will see what I mean. They did it to the comet, and got a second explosion bright enough to see from Earth and they don't know what caused it, but the boys in the control room were jumping around like children with firecrakers.

They were going to plow Galileo into Europa until someone said "Hey wait a second we can't contaminate that place... (galileo carried 60-70 pounds of plutonium) (The bomb on Hiroshma was around 12 pounds, sorry don't have exact numbers on hand.

These satellites are worth hundreds of millions of YOUR dollars... Maybe its time we asked them why they can't leave them for the future

What's the point of that why not just let it orbit and keep taking pictures, unless of course there was something it would photograph that would be difficult to cover up.

There you go!

Thank you Zorgon, actually I inadvertantly deleted the picture source from my original post so I will post it again here.

At least I hope I can.

Originally posted by sherpa
I don't quite understand this either, after the satellite has crashed how are you going to study it.

Simple... you have another satellite standing by... like they did with the comet

This being the case there doesn't seem to be any plans to send another Satellite either.

Maybe not from ESA... isn't it just a little curious that these other countries are backing out of moon shots and ESA is not going to do any more?

NASA on the other hand is just getting started.... seems its their new way to do "scientific" research... LOL Maybe they are tired of the charade and this is their way of protesting

NASA: Venus fly-by today, complete w/ laser beam

A spaceship swoops in from the void, a laser beam lancing out from its hull. It probes the planet's clouds while, back on the craft's home world, scientists wait to see what happens. Sounds like science fiction? This is real, and it's happening today. The spacecraft is NASA's Messenger, and the planet is Venus.

This time the actual MISSION is tpo crash them... in the hopes of finding water ice... yet Clementine according to the DoD already found an ice field 100 kilometers square by 50 feet thick .. as the project director says "A small lake"

NASA to crash probes on moon in water hunt Impact should be visible from Earth via telescope.

June 2000
NASA's Directed Crash of Compton Gamma Ray Observatory is Flaming Success

So they diliberately crashed this one... seems they are having trouble just keeping things flying in orbit, how will they get back to the moon>
A Flaming Success???

Genesis Utah Recovery

The Genesis mission returned to Earth on September 8, 2004 after a nearly flawless three-year mission to collect solar matter. The intent was to deploy a drogue chute and parafoil high over the Utah desert and to catch the fragile payload capsule in mid-air by helicopter. The capsule would then be opened in a cleanroom constructed for that purpose at UTTR, and a nitrogen purge was to be installed before transporting the science canister to JSC. Unfortunately, both chutes failed to deploy, causing the capsule to fall to the desert floor at a speed of nearly 200 MPH. Still, Genesis represents a milestone in the US space program, comprising the first sample return since the Apollo Missions as well as the first return of materials exposed to the space environment outside of low Earth orbit and beyond the Earth’s magnetosphere for an extended period.

LOL another success.. a milestone even... nevermind the samples were useless scattered all over the desert... Just how do you get solar wind particles out of the soil? Especially when these re the first we collected?

Kamikaze Mission for Galileo

Galileo 48 pounds of Plutonium... crashed into Jupiter
Ulysses spacecraft carried 24 pounds of plutonium
Cassini mission, which carries about 72 pounds of plutonium

Protestors want this stopped...
NASA says its all safe

NASA disagrees with the protesters. The recent accident is "no reflection on safety," Richard J. Spehalski, Cassini's program manager, told reporters on Wednesday. "It does not represent anything that could compromise" mission safety.

Officials of NASA and of the Energy Department, which makes the plutonium batteries, also said no possible Cassini accident could pose significant risks to the public. Big fears are unfounded, they insist.

"Our safety analysis report is two feet thick," said Beverly A. Cook, program director for radioisotope power systems at the Energy Department. "It's been thoroughly reviewed. There's absolutely no accident sequence that results in huge amounts of plutonium being released. People have misunderstood the risk. They've been presented numbers that have no basis in fact."

STOP CASSINI EARTH FLYBY


Could NASA Use Galileo to Create a Jovian Nagasaki?

It (Galileo) found water on the moon Europa, which has a global ocean under a thick layer of ice. Because this moon has a good chance of harboring some primitive life forms, NASA planned the controlled crashing of Galileo into the atmosphere of Jupiter. NASA does not want it to accidentally crash into Europa. Why is such a controlled crash necessary? 48 lbs of Plutonium...

NASA blames the Earth's pull and weird lunar gravity anomalies as reason spacecraft crash on the moon and on the same page..

Why? Earth is responsible. The gravity of massive Earth only 240,000 miles (400,000 km) from the Moon constantly tugs on lunar satellites. For a lunar orbit higher than 750 miles, Earth's pull is actually strong enough to whisk a spacecraft out of the game...

Low-orbiting satellites have problems, too. Lunar "mascons" tug on them and cause them to crash into the ground. Earth affects high orbits, mascons affect low orbits

Source

NASA crashes spacecraft into Comet and is surprised by secondary explosion... strong enough for Earth telescopes. Hubble caught this one



Here is an interesting twist...

Astrologist sues NASA over comet crash

A Russian astrologist who says NASA has altered her horoscope by crashing a spacecraft into a comet is suing the US space agency for damages of $US300 million.

NASA deliberately crashed its probe into the Tempel 1 comet to unleash a spray of material formed billions of years ago, which scientists hope will shed new light on the composition of the solar system.

"It is obvious that elements of the comet's orbit, and correspondingly the ephemeris, will change after the explosion, which interferes with my astrology work and distorts my horoscope," Izvestia daily quoted astrologist Marina Bai as saying in legal documents submitted before the collision.

I just LOVE these statements...

"We have representatives at almost every major observatory in the world," said Deep Impact principal scientist Michael A'Hearn, of the University of Maryland, during today's briefing...



After the initial separation, a fault alarm went off on board Deep Impact's Flyby vehicle. Mission controllers ran through a systems check and concluded the spacecraft was on track and the alarm could be ignored...

Source

So ummm what qualifications do you need to work at NASA to slam spacecraft into planets, etc?

And where do I sigh up to push the button?


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Ok..so John Lear states that Jupiter is populated in which case would not the locals get a little miffed with someone dropping Plutonium in there backyard ?
Don't get me wrong here I am not trying to debunk but I seemed to be puzzled again.

Regarding the ESA and other potential space participaters, are we saying that NASA is pressurising them into not having a space program or is it the others cannot afford it, or have they been seduced maybe by a line like " hey we can do all the space exploration that's needed so you could save your money and let us do all the hard work", I don't know what do think ?