John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Originally posted by sherpa

Incidently I apologise to John and everyone if this subject should not be here, I am aware that the thread was created specifically for Johns photos
and I am posting on one I found, but let me know if it shouldn't be here.

Great find Sherpa I will follow up on that...

As to the thread, do not worry... any evidence of NASA cover up or Moon anomalies is welcome... This one with the crater doctoring is promising, though the link to the astronomer's site is down.

Thanks for the advice Zorgon, I am glad I am not treading on anyones toes here as my primary motive was to support Johns claim and when he said anything from NASA was edited I was looking for an alternative source and the first and most recent I found was Smart-1.

Regarding image quality type and resolution, I have emailed ESA asking if better quality examples are available, I await the response in anticipation,(that could be construed as sarcasm, and you would probably be right, sigh).

Anyway if I get anywhere I will sure to let the board know.

Regards

Originally posted by zorgon
for graphics editing you need to work with .tiff or other format... paintshop pro uses .psp which is fine and you want to save clips in .png format as that one format will not give you loss but can be posted on the internet

Another possibility is the use the "img" files that are posted on PDS sites. Those images can not be used by a common graphics program, but you can download the free NASAVIEW program (available here, like other software tools) and save the images to GIF, which is a lossless format and good enough for the 256 colours used on the greyscale IMG images.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by zorgon
for graphics editing you need to work with .tiff or other format... paintshop pro uses .psp which is fine and you want to save clips in .png format as that one format will not give you loss but can be posted on the internet

Another possibility is the use the "img" files that are posted on PDS sites. Those images can not be used by a common graphics program, but you can download the free NASAVIEW program (available here, like other software tools) and save the images to GIF, which is a lossless format and good enough for the 256 colours used on the greyscale IMG images.

Now THAT is a good piece of advice.

I was having trouble with some .tif's because they would embed as Quicktime. I have no interest in Quicktime (i think it is inferior when run on a Windows system and won't install it).

I found out that if i went to "File>Open" in Photoshop, and pasted the URL of the image file itself (obtained via right clicking and going to properties) and pasted it directly in the path for the file to open, it imports the .tif files directly for me.

Originally posted by sherpa
Perfect Zorgon you got it!
And if you look at the Apollo photo I think you can confirm it.
Sorry I could not post the exact anomaly as I don't have any graphics software, it looks as if I am going to have to remedy that.

a good free option is 'gimp 2.2'

you can also get Photoshop 6 for free

Just do a search.

Great thread ... it has grown immensely since my last viewing ... I have a lot of catching up to do!

I just discovered that there is plug-in for the Gimp that can read the "IMG" files.

It can be downloaded from here.

Originally posted by sherpa
Thanks for the advice Zorgon, I am glad I am not treading on anyones toes here as my primary motive was to support Johns claim and when he said anything from NASA was edited I was looking for an alternative source and the first and most recent I found was Smart-1.

Regarding image quality type and resolution, I have emailed ESA asking if better quality examples are available, I await the response in anticipation,(that could be construed as sarcasm, and you would probably be right, sigh).

Anyway if I get anywhere I will sure to let the board know.

Regards

Well, as an update to the above I have just finished a dialogue with ESA about Hi Res images the script of which is as follows:

Hi,

Are higher resolution images ,other than on the website, available on request or to purchase.
If so what is the procedure for placing an order.

Kind Regards,



Thank you for your interest in ESA programmes.
Further to your e-mail bellow, could you please precise for which purposes
are you looking for SMART-1 higher resolution images ?

Thank you in advance for your answer.

Best regards.


Dear Nadia,

Thank you for responding so quickly to my enquiry.
The purpose of my request is purely personal and has no commercial
connection, the moon is one of my hobbies and am fascinated by the images
you have acquired.

Kind Regards


Further to your e-mail, please find attached resized SMART-1 results.

(See attached file: Texte Documents.TXT)(See attached file: 09763A4.jpg)(See
attached file: 09818A4.jpg)(See attached file: 09872A4.jpg)

Best regards


As can be seen I received 3 random images.

I then sent this:


Thank you Nadia these images are great do you have one of Lomonsov crater ?

Regards


No sorry, we don't have more resized images.

Best regards.



To which I replied


Ok, thanks Nadia will there ever be any more resized images available ?

Regards




No, sorry.





So there you have it make of it what you will, no reasons no details, which only steers me towards the obvious conclusion not for your eyes.

Originally posted by sherpa
So there you have it make of it what you will, no reasons no details, which only steers me towards the obvious conclusion not for your eyes.

I was reviewing some scenarios the other night regarding reasons for this well documented secrecy, and in one of them I found cause or motive by an outside intelligent agency which "respects life in all of its forms". It supports the quarantine theory.

In this scenario NASA and any other top level space exploration agency of any country would be involuntarily bound to comply with such demands, but easily interpreted very differently from the inside, such as a coverup, conspiracy, disinformation, whatever.

Recall Gen. Douglas MacArthur prophesied an interplanetary war, and that was during full swing of the atomic age. Global thermonuclear war was also in the cards, but it never happened, and neither did the interplanetary war. Some believe an outside agency at least partially responsible for suppressing thermonuclear war, and if true could extend to a quarantine to prevent interplanetary war.

Such are my musings on the matter, none of which has accepted mainstream proof, but which continually beckons for want of answers.

Zorgon, do you think Chorlton needs to go to school on how to see anomalies on the Moon or is there no hope for him? It would be so sad if there is no hope for him ever seeing these anomalies a sad day indeed. Rik Riley

Originally posted by rikriley
Zorgon, do you think Chorlton needs to go to school on how to see anomalies on the Moon or is there no hope for him? It would be so sad if there is no hope for him ever seeing these anomalies a sad day indeed. Rik Riley

Im quite happy looking at the pretty pictures of Geological formations thanks. And I must say I am very impressed with some of the the photos (and the wild assumptions made about them give me a laugh,)

If you wish to make them out to be wild things from your imagination thats fine, just dont try and convince me and others they are something they are not, which is what you seem to want to do.
Let people make their own mind up, which is what you seem to object to.

Originally posted by Chorlton

If you wish to make them out to be wild things from your imagination thats fine, just dont try and convince me and others they are something they are not, which is what you seem to want to do.
Let people make their own mind up, which is what you seem to object to.

Thanks for your post Chorlton. Many see the same geological formations that you do. I would be the last one to criticize your imagination or call it wild. Thanks again for your post, it is always welcome.

Originally posted by Chorlton
If you wish to make them out to be wild things from your imagination thats fine, just dont try and convince me and others they are something they are not, which is what you seem to want to do.
Let people make their own mind up, which is what you seem to object to.

DOH!!!

I have no intention of trying to convince YOU of anything, except perhaps your wasting your breath in this room

As to others... well sorry old chap, but thats why we are here... to show the anomalies as WE see them... and funny thing... we do let people make up their own minds, which is why we have supporter, and skeptics... and those not quite sure getting sore butts on that fence....

But if one does not present their evidence, then how can anyone make up their own minds? You are a very silly person indeed...

:shk:

Hello...back again...couldn´t login for a couple of weeks...God knows why...

Did you hear about this news? This is interesting isn´t it?:



Digital archive casts new light on Apollo-era moon pictures

Arizona State University partners with NASA to digitize original photos

TEMPE, Ariz. -- Nearly 40 years after man first walked on the moon, the
complete lunar photographic record from the Apollo project will be
accessible to both researchers and the general public on the Internet. A new
digital archive -- created through a collaboration between Arizona State
University and NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston -- is making available
high-resolution scans of original Apollo flight films. They are available to
browse or download at:


apollo.sese.asu.edu...



[edit on 1-8-2007 by Orion437]

Originally posted by Orion437
Hello...back again...couldn´t login for a couple of weeks...God knows why...
Did you hear about this news? This is interesting isn´t it?:
apollo.sese.asu.edu...

Well lets hope they give us the "good stuff" finally

These were the same people who released the color Clementine images when we started the other thread...

ser.sese.asu.edu...

Take a look at the list of names from the LROC Team... recognize anyone?
lroc.sese.asu.edu...

They also have the high res Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera images... haven't seen them yet either

But I will get my list of Apollo numbers ready... just in case

Here is one from that site linked to on one of those text pages (don't see any galleries though...




They do have 5 sample images as an example of "things to come"

apollo.sese.asu.edu...

[edit on 1-8-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zorgon
They also have the high res Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera images... haven't seen them yet either

I don't think they have them...

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) mission is scheduled to launch in the fall of 2008 as part of NASA's Lunar Precursor and Robotic Program (LPRP) and is the first spacecraft to be built as part of the Vision for Space Exploration

... at least for some time.

Originally posted by zorgon

Here is one from that site linked to on one of those text pages (don't see any galleries though...

They do have 5 sample images as an example of "things to come"

apollo.sese.asu.edu...

[edit on 1-8-2007 by zorgon]

Interesting, Zorgon. In looking this image over I notice "stars" in the background. It would be interesting if someone who knew something about such alignments to see if they really are stars.

Obviously it is interesting that we see this, as in other "hi res" images we see a pitch black sky. So much so that the horizon looks wholly unnatural. Moreover, John was discussing the verbage used by Buzz Aldrin (i believe...perhaps John could clarify), describing the sky from the moon's surface as "black like patent shoe leather". John's assessment of it being odd is spot on. And, when compared to the image you posted above the description seems even more odd. That does not look like patent shoe leather to me.

In the near future, i wonder if NASA will just give up and start making the images themselves using CGI. Just create a 3-d model on a Cray or something and when they release images just pop a few screen captures from the visual of this model.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Moreover, John was discussing the verbage used by Buzz Aldrin (i believe...perhaps John could clarify), describing the sky from the moon's surface as "black like patent shoe leather".

It was Alan Bean (Apollo12) who, when asked what the lunar sky looked like responded, "black patent leather shoes". This was an inadvertant description of the hypnotic suggestion to replace the real color of the sky by NASA hypno-therapists. The NASA hypno-therapist meant that the sky was as black, black as patent leather shoes. What the subsconscious mind heard was "the sky was a pair of black patent leather shoes."

The pictures here of what is known as the 'Blair cuspids' was taken in the daytime as shown by the shadows. The sky is not black so no stars would be visible.

I am not sure what color the sky is. It may be blue, as indicated by some of the Apollo video. It may be red or it may be yellow. For all future color pictures of the moon released by me or the livingmoon.com we are going to use 'saffron' as the color of the sky as described by Howard Menger. That doesn't mean that the color of the sky on the moon is saffron colored. It just means that saffron is the color we are going to use until we figure out what the real color of the sky on the moon is. But I can tell you this for sure: the daytime color of the sky on the moon is not black.

Originally posted by johnlearBut I can tell you this for sure: the daytime color of the sky on the moon is not black.

If you do not know what colour the sky has on the moon how can you be sure that it is not black?

Edit: I forgot to ask, as anyone looked for anomalies on those sample images?

[edit on 3/8/2007 by ArMaP]

Originally posted by ArMaP

If you do not know what colour the sky has on the moon how can you be sure that it is not black?

I can be absolutely sure it is not black because patent leather shows are already black.

Here is a view of Copernicus with the sky color according to Howard Menger (there are some scattered clouds that Howard did not mention):

Hm...call me old fashioned but I like blue
Hi John,
There are theories out there that the moon is:

A. Hollow
B. Artificial
C. A spaceship

Now it's interesting if it is A and B because a nice counterweight is great for steadying our Earths wobble. I like that idea.
But if it is A B and C then that's really out there.
What do you think ?