Behold a White Horse

queenanie,

Perhaps you overlooked my reply to you several pages back. I gave you ample evidence to refute your claims. I would have hoped to get a reply back from you, perhaps you missed it or just wish to ignore it??

Thanks though for reading

Originally posted by queenannie38
New age lingo?!?!?

You know what I'm talking about. Your new age beliefs I believe to be deception from satan.

Yes I know, my beliefs are what you consider to be false.

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by queenannie38
New age lingo?!?!?

You know what I'm talking about. Your new age beliefs I believe to be deception from satan.

Yes I know, my beliefs are what you consider to be false.

ah yes, of course! I guess everything different from christianity has to be 'evil' or 'Satanic!' To me, when people call other things satanic, they are really just saying it because one, they are afraid of it. Two, they are delighting themselves in blasphemizing everything that is not of their beliefs, and Three, they have no understanding of the context of its meaning whatsoever.

Well, I understand. We do live in a society where things that are different from the norm are considered 'wierd' or of course 'satanic!' So its not that suprising to see you here calling new age beliefs (which you dont seem to get yet are about love) satanic deceptions.

Originally posted by Dances With Angels



ah yes, of course! I guess everything different from christianity has to be 'evil' or 'Satanic!'

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Yes that is correct. There are not many ways to God, only one.

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by Dances With Angels



ah yes, of course! I guess everything different from christianity has to be 'evil' or 'Satanic!'

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Yes that is correct. There are not many ways to God, only one.

That is of course what we all want. One way equals safety and security we all tend to think and yet what we have had here from that quote from matthew is yet a bunch of hate and destruction. How can we not be with Christ if he is according to christianity in us all? So essentially since Christ is in us all, we can not be without him even if we go our seperate ways. That means that no one is against Christ because he is in everybody. according to Christianity he did for EVERYONE, not just a chosen few. Therefore, everything and everyone is holy, whether they express different ways than other people.

Originally posted by Dances With Angels
How can we not be with Christ if he is according to christianity in us all?

And you heard this from where in christianity? That's not what the Bible says.

We are all seperated from God and faith in Christ is what brings us back. Not all place their faith in Christ and since that is the case they are still seperated from God.

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by Dances With Angels
How can we not be with Christ if he is according to christianity in us all?

And you heard this from where in christianity? That's not what the Bible says.

We are all seperated from God and faith in Christ is what brings us back. Not all place their faith in Christ and since that is the case they are still seperated from God.

I mean this with all sincerity, I actually want to know your opinion...

Could you give me a detailed account of how this is happening in our day to day lives..

Define, God, Christ, and faith please... and describe how one would put their faith in christ, in a way we can do this in our day to day actions.

If you can do this I would be impressed (if you did it in a way that related to me so I could understand) ... although I would still like your opinion/deduction...

Originally posted by dnero6911


Define, God, Christ, and faith please... and describe how one would put their faith in christ, in a way we can do this in our day to day actions.

The Bible defines faith as:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


You are taught "seeing is believing". The truth is you have to believe to see.

Originally posted by ben91069


All these quotes are words out of Christ's mouth. His father is mine just for your clarification of the matter. My God (actually just my Dad) has not a name like you infer, because he means many things to many people. What is a name Sun? A symbol or meaning of something that references character? How can you put a name on everything other than "I am". Who is your God Sun? Name yours since you think he has just one name. I have told you of my father now tell me about your God.

Too many questions to deal with Ben, as I have been given a bigger assignment and need to stay on course.

Actually you have clarified nothing.

Here, I'll help you. I am aware that Baal has many names. I pulled this off Wikipedia.

Baal, master; lord
Baalah, her idol; she that is governed or subdued; a spouse
Baalath, a rejoicing; our proud lord
Baalath-Beer, subjected pit
Baal-berith, idol of the covenant
Baale, same as Baalath
Baal-gad, idol of fortune or felicity
Baal-hamon, who rules a crowd
Baal-hanan, Baal is gracious
Baal-hermon, possessor of destruction or of a thing cursed
Baali, my idol; lord over me
Baalim, idols; masters; false gods
Baalis, a rejoicing; a proud lord
Baal-meon, idol or master of the house
Baal-peor, master of the opening
Baal-perazim, god of divisions
Baal-shalisha, the god that presides over three; the third idol
Baal-tamar, master of the palm-tree
Baal-zebub, god of the fly (Origin of the book title "Lord of the Flies")
Baal-zephon, the idol or possession of the north; hidden; secret


Just the tip of the iceberg. Does this help?

By the way, I see past your "Christ quotes - his father is my dad" mumbo jumbo.
Your deception has no power here.

How about answering the question on the October harvest that is not going to happen?

[edit on 27-8-2006 by Sun Matrix]

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Here, I'll help you. I am aware that Baal has many names. I pulled this off Wikipedia.

Thanks for all your help, I had no idea that I only need to look to Wiki to find my father. If I had only known I would be a reflection of you by now. Thanks for the heads up, I will make sure I never quote the words of Jesus ever again to make you twist them into meaning Baal worship.

Mark my words. The bold text above will always be my reference to every word I have said that you called them Baal.

as we 'ride-the-White-Horse' with her highness queen/annie/dora/magalene/penelope.....

[/With the rapidly expanding use in England in the 18th century for the first time in history of the greatly improved printing presses unlimited quantities of the New Testament were printed. These revised 18th century editions of the earlier 14th century first translations into the English language were then widely distributed throughout England and the English speaking world among families who had never possessed a copy of the New Testament in any language. In these 18th century editions with revisions the word "Jew" appeared for the first time in any English translations. The word "Jew" as it was used in the 18th century editions has since continued in use in all elections of the New Testament in the English language. The use of the word "Jew" thus was stabilized.

As you know, my dear Dr. Goldstein, the best known 18th century editions of the New Testament in English are the Rheims (Douai) Edition and the King James Authorized Edition. The Rheims (Douai) translation of the New Testament into English was first printed in 1582 but the word "Jew" did not appear in it. The King James Authorized translation of the New Testament into English was begun in 1604 and first published in 1611. The word "Jew" did not appear in it either. The word "Jew" appeared in both these well known editions in their 18th century revised versions for the first times.

Countless copies of the revised 18th century editions of the Rheims (Douai) and the King James translations of the New Testament into English were distributed to the clergy and the laity throughout the English speaking world. They did not know the history of the origin of the English word "Jew" nor did they care. They accepted the English word "Jew" as the only and as the accepted form of the Latin "Iudaeus" and the Greek "Ioudaios". How could they be expected to have known otherwise? The answer is they could not and they did not. It was a new English word to them.
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from www.biblestudysite.com... a little over a inch down from the top right border


OK, 'tramps', enjoy the 'feast' and stay off each others 'necks' and drink from Her Highness Maria at Her Breasts [ talk to you there, JC [ Infant/God/King ] ]

And read the whole article by Ben Freedman...

Lolove n luck n good sex/emotions/passion/humor/health etc... Ave Maria ! now you wouldn't beat-up a baby but maybe you 'fetal' killers would !

[ welcome Home ] Home Boy, Jesus... Infinity

[edit on 28-8-2006 by georgejohn]

The "secondary meaning" of words often become the generally accepted meanings of words formerly having entirely different meanings. This is accomplished by the expenditure of great amounts of money for well-planned publicity. Today if you ask for a "camel" someone will hand you a cigarette by that name. Today if you ask for a piece of "ivory" someone will hand you a piece of soap by that name. You will never receive either a desert animal or a piece of the tusk of a male elephant. That must illustrate the extent to which these "secondary meanings" are able to practically eclipse the original and correct meanings of words in the minds of the general public. The "secondary meaning" for the word "Jew" today has practically totally eclipsed the original and correct meaning of the word "Jew" when it was introduced as a word in the English language. This phenomena is not uncommon.

The United States Supreme Court has recognized the "secondary meaning" of words. The highest court in the land has established as basic law that "secondary meanings" can acquire priority rights to the use of any dictionary word. Well-planned and well-financed world-wide publicity through every available media by well-organized groups of so-called or self-styled "Jews" for three centuries has created a "secondary meaning" for the word "Jew" which has completely "blacked out" the original and correct meaning of the word "Jew". There can be no doubt about that.

There is not a person in the whole English-speaking world today who regards a "Jew" as a "Judean" in the literal sense of the word. That was the correct and only meaning in the 18th century. The generally accepted "secondary meaning" of the word "Jew" today with practically no exceptions is made up of four almost universally-believed theories. These four theories are that a so- called or self-styled "Jew" is (1) a person who today professes the form of religious worship known as "Judaism", (2) a person who claims to belong to a racial group associated with the ancient Semites, (3) a person directly the descendant of an ancient nation which thrived in Palestine in Bible history, (4) a person blessed by Divine intentional design with certain superior cultural characteristics denied to other racial, religious or national groups, all rolled into one.

The present generally accepted "secondary meaning" of the word "Jew" is fundamentally responsible for the confusion in the minds of Christians regarding elementary tenets of the Christian faith. It is likewise responsible today to a very great extent for the dilution of the devotion of countless Christians for their Christian faith. The implications, inferences and innuendoes of the word "Jew" today, to the preponderant majority of intelligent and informed Christians, is contradictory and in complete conflict with incontestable historic fact. Christians who cannot be fooled any longer are suspect of the Christian clergy who continue to repeat, and repeat, and repeat ad nauseam their pet theme song "Jesus was a Jew". It actually now approaches a psychosis.

from: www.biblestudysite.com...

Enjoy... Lolove n luck etc... Ave Maria ! Her Highness Indeed ! with the son-of-David, Joseph, in us all with Jesus, the Son-of-Joseph and all-the-Family of the Creator/GOD............. Infinity

Originally posted by ben91069

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Here, I'll help you. I am aware that Baal has many names. I pulled this off Wikipedia.

Thanks for all your help, I had no idea that I only need to look to Wiki to find my father. If I had only known I would be a reflection of you by now. Thanks for the heads up, I will make sure I never quote the words of Jesus ever again to make you twist them into meaning Baal worship.

Mark my words. The bold text above will always be my reference to every word I have said that you called them Baal.

Did I say they were the words Baal or did you twist my words in deception because I said your father is Baal?
Why are you afraid to name your god who is Ahura Mazda, who is Baal, who is Lucifer and who is Satan the serpent of old?

You have been running around here twisting words and scripture and I see through it all. You have no power only deception and I am not deceived.

What are you going to do when the harvest doesn't come in October? Will you see you are deceived? Mark those words in bold.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Did I say they were the words Baal or did you twist my words in deception because I said your father is Baal?

You claim my father is Baal and I quoted my fathers words, so yes you are calling him Baal.

Why are you afraid to name your god who is Ahura Mazda, who is Baal, who is Lucifer and who is Satan the serpent of old?

I did already, but you choose to ignore everything but your own words. When people answer your questions plainly, you must find something to make it fit your belief that they are decievers. By this, now you claim I never gave you an answer when in fact everyone can see that I did so.

You have been running around here twisting words and scripture and I see through it all. You have no power only deception and I am not deceived.

Good for you! I will sleep better at night knowing that I have not fooled you.

What are you going to do when the harvest doesn't come in October? Will you see you are deceived? Mark those words in bold.

It depends on what time of year October comes, for it may not be until this Spring, but October is the time of reaping the harvest whether it be in December or June. Either way, I will always be here before and after to not fool you anymore.

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by Two Steps Forward

No. That is impossible. I'm sorry, but our brains have limits, and our languages can only refer to what we have experienced.

I'm sorry that you feel that way but I live with God everyday.

It isn't that we can't "live with" God -- i.e., experience the Reality that underlies that metaphorical concept. We can. What we cannot do, is wrap our rational minds around it, or express it directly in human language, which has no words for the purpose. And since that is what Christians usually mean by "word of God" -- a direct and literal statement of sacred reality -- there can be no "word of God." It is an impossibility. Human language simply cannot do that.

You mentioned something about being one with God, that sounds like a little new age lingo, and as such is not what I'm talking about.

It may not be what you are talking about, but it is what Jesus was talking about. It runs all through the Gospels, and simply applying that concept makes sense out of otherwise incomprehensible passages.

God is a distinct and seperate being from me.

Nobody is a distinct and separate being from you. All lines and boundaries are creations of the intellect and of perception. They do not exist in nature, in and of themselves.

Also -- most people don't understand what "me" is. That's the heart of the illusion in which we live, a confusion of our own identity.

I'll repeat it again, I know different cause I live it and know the Holy Spirit dwells in me to lead and teach.

That doesn't prove a thing. The same Spirit dwells in many people, who believe with their intellectual minds many different and incompatible things. God does not care what we believe intellectually. His/Her/Its presence is felt with a different, non-rational part of the mind.

If you choose not to believe the Bible is not from God that's your choice. I have placed faith in Christ and so I know I can trust the Bible to reveal who God is.

No, it is not my choice. I do not have a choice about what I believe. I must believe what the evidence tells me. That is what knowledge means: not deliberately choosing to believe something, but rather accepting the evidence and reasoning from it.

It's good that you have faith in Christ; he's a very fine image of the Unknowable and a good key to the Mysteries. But when you let that faith dictate your intellectual beliefs, you have not found knowledge, but closed the door on it.

Originally posted by UnrealZA
Your problem is that you wish others to "think for themselves" yet the only reasonable view is the one you hold, correct?

I don't believe I've talked on this thread about people thinking for themselves. What I would like is for people to experience the Reality underlying the metaphor of God. And THEN think for themselves.

There are a lot of beliefs about God, held by people without the necessary direct knowledge and experience, which serve as barriers to ever acquiring it, and also as causes for conflict. See my thread on this forum entitled "The Blind Men and the Elephant."

In any case, when I argue a position, I do it by reference to reason and evidence. And mostly in these religious discussions, I'm arguing negatives. I'm not saying what IS the truth, because unfortunately, although I do know it, it can't be told. Instead, I'm at pains to point out what is NOT the truth.

It is NOT the truth that Christianity (or any other religion) is the only way to God. It is NOT the truth that God is a contemptible tyrant who wants us to be grateful when he decides not to burn us alive forever after all. It is NOT the truth that the reality of God can be expressed in human language.

And I take a similar line with atheists, who also seldom seem to understand how little they understand. Although that has no bearing on this thread.

In any case, what I was talking to Sun Matrix about, was his conviction that people who express ideas different from his are "deceivers." And he seems to imply in a couple of his posts that there is no point entering into a dialogue with these people, because they are deliberately deceiving. And I'm saying that that's sheer paranoid nonsense.

Only HE think they are trying to deceive people. THEY don't think that. And so his reasoning from this in terms of their motivations and expected behavior is seroiusly off-base.

[edit on 28-8-2006 by Two Steps Forward]

Originally posted by Two Steps Forward
In any case, what I was talking to Sun Matrix about, was his conviction that people who express ideas different from his are "deceivers." And he seems to imply in a couple of his posts that there is no point entering into a dialogue with these people, because they are deliberately deceiving. And I'm saying that that's sheer paranoid nonsense.

Only HE think they are trying to deceive people. THEY don't think that. And so his reasoning from this in terms of their motivations and expected behavior is seroiusly off-base.

[edit on 28-8-2006 by Two Steps Forward]

It's all way way over your head bub. It goes was beyond this thread and denial of a religion.

It's kinda like a whole baseball season goes by and now we are at the seventh game of the world series. Then you walk up having not even watched a game and say the popcorn is no good. Maybe next time.

the 'White Horse'... check this out... and think and re-think... maybe you have been 'programmed/brainwashed' but 'love' the 'program' so much that you just will-not give it up and will [as you have been programmed 2] fight and murder/betray the little ones as they go into the TRUTH..............

[Those of you Judeo-Christians -- or Christian Zionists -- who will try with all your might to deny the truth here, are encouraged to also read the lead article in our section titled THE GREATEST HOAX. The section features an essay by Charlie Samples under that same title: The Greatest Hoax. Mr. Samples takes us on a guided tour through the bible, leaving little doubt that the apocalyptic events prophesied were fulfilled during the same generational period when Jesus was on this earth.

Fundamentalist Christians have now embraced the Kingdom on Earth/End Times message, promulgated by Cyrus Scofield. Scofield was a scam-artist who -- after serving a prison sentence for swindling his widowed mother-in-law out of her money -- was taken under wing by Samuel Untermeyer, a wealthy and influential Jew. The Scofield Reference Bible was financed by a group of Untermeyer's friends and published by the Oxford Press, a Rothschild tool. The Scofield Reference bible is used in nearly every seminary in the U.S. to 'train' the Christian clergy.

The word 'seminary' should maybe be pronounced 'cemetery', as it buries the Spirit of the Christ.

While I do not embrace the every-word-is-the-word-of-God in the bible, I know we have been given truth. Much of that truth is in coded or esoteric language for the adepts of the secret brotherhoods; much of it is remnants of history entwined in the stories of the Pharisee priests, and some is in plain language for those who have 'ears to hear and eyes to see'.

So. . . if the people in Israel are not Jews what, then, is Israel all about?
/ex] end of external /

from www.sweetliberty.org...


Just maybe some of 'our' bible/gluttons/etc 'friends' will take some time and study the great material on this site... and as with all sites, I do-not agree with all material presented... study and realize that all the 'stuff' that you spend/waste your time on is just a 'program' from the 'contollers' who have given us the 'Illuiminati' and the Illuminati English languge/bible/religions/schools/media/banks/etc...


Lolove n luck etc... Ave Maria !... Ride-on baby into the night and the marvelous sun-rise, with the Multi-Dimensional Mother of the Way, the Life, the Truth... JC, the Father/GOD of the World-to-Come ! With our Mother/GOD... Infinity

Two Steps,

Your worldview is utter nonsense. It contradicts itself therefore it cannot stand up to scrutiny. It's babble.

What I would like is for people to experience the Reality underlying the metaphor of God. And THEN think for themselves.

To even grasp that something is a metaphor one must ALREADY know what reality is. You cannot even explain to me how you know the word "reality". Your worldview cannot account for knowledge yet you claim to know things, to infer things, based on evidence. What's your basis for evidence? For what is even to be determined "evidence"?

I'm not saying what IS the truth, because unfortunately, although I do know it, it can't be told. Instead, I'm at pains to point out what is NOT the truth.

More nonsense. You have again contradicted yourself, hence your worldview, what you base your belief upon, crumbles.

First you state that you are not saying what is the truth and you then state, although you know the truth, it can't be told. Don't you grasp the fallacy here? In order for you to KNOW the truth you had to learn it from someone, someone had to tell you this truth, had to reveal it to you so they can express it but you can't express it? Besides that, you have ALREADY EXPRESSED or "told" us about your "truth". You told us that you "know it" and that "it can't be told."

"I don't know anything about Truth" That statement is incorrect for the person who states it does in fact KNOW something about truth, which is they "don't know anything" about it.

It is NOT the truth that Christianity (or any other religion) is the only way to God. It is NOT the truth that God is a contemptible tyrant who wants us to be grateful when he decides not to burn us alive forever after all. It is NOT the truth that the reality of God can be expressed in human language.

Read again the last line of your statement:

"It is NOT the truth that the reality of God can be expressed in human language"

Did you NOT just "express", in "human language" a "reality" about God, which is that the reality of Him cannot be expressed in human language????

You have AGAIN contradicted your very own worldview, therefore it cannot stand. It is a lie built upon a foundation of lies and everything that proceeds from it will be a lie.

Originally posted by UnrealZA
To even grasp that something is a metaphor one must ALREADY know what reality is.

Correct. And I do.

You cannot even explain to me how you know the word "reality".

I think you meant know what the reality is, not know what the word "reality" means. But I'll answer both. I know what the word "reality" means because I understand the English language. I know what the reality we are discussing is through direct experience, just as any mystic does.

First you state that you are not saying what is the truth and you then state, although you know the truth, it can't be told. Don't you grasp the fallacy here? In order for you to KNOW the truth you had to learn it from someone

False.

Suppose you were hiking in the wilderness, and came upon something that nobody had ever described to you before. Let's say it was a tree that had been struck by lightning and burned, and had regrown afterward, with the burns leaving a visible pattern of scars.

After seeing this tree, you would know where it was and what it looked like. But nobody told you it was there, did they?

Sometimes knowledge comes from direct experience, not from someone else telling you things. With respect to God, ALWAYS knowledge comes from direct experience. It CANNOT come from someone else telling you, because this truth cannot be told in human language.

Besides that, you have ALREADY EXPRESSED or "told" us about your "truth". You told us that you "know it" and that "it can't be told."

I can tell you that much, true. And there are a few other things around the periphery of it that I can also tell. But I can't tell you what the truth IS, in such a way that after listening to me you will know it.

The fact that I can communicate a few peripheral details about God does not imply a contradiction that voids what I'm saying here. You're nitpicking. Or perhaps you're clutching at straws.

[edit on 29-8-2006 by Two Steps Forward]