Bosnian Pyramid Update

Hawass is an interesting character, no doubt about it, and so is Hancock in his own way.

But we're slightly diverting from the topic at hand...let's not get bogged down with criticisms of researchers and authorities not involved with the Bosnian digs.

I just wish there was more information forthcoming...

firstly of course we have got egyptian translations wrong

we have been getting translations wrong for 2000 years (ie the bible and the insuing arguments)

secondly science and religion are pretty much the same thing human laws for humans, all relative to us,

science is trying to explain the world around them, so is religion,

evidence is and has always been fabricated on both sides (science, religion, believers and non believers be it what it may)

this is a (single) quote from hawass

Dr. Zahi Hawass, Director of Antiquities of the Giza Plateau and Sakkara, referred to the research as "American hallucinations" (see J. A. West, 1993, Serpent (revised edition), p. 229).

as i say v.personall it is he who coined the word "pyrimidiots" for people with different ideas about prymids than he. I been trying too find the Chanel 5(uk) doc he appeared on where he reffered, Robert Schoch to having Idiot Claims! Schoch's responce was laughter!


Why does he want all the treasure returned? It is not his or his peoples, the Arab people who came to that land have been tomb robbing (then selling them to the west forever!), I find it rediculous the crap he gives the west considering we were the ones who created egyptology in the first place! They want it back so they can display them and charge

Have any of you been to giza?

The tour guide's were crap, they couldnt answer many of my questions and constantly wanted tips! I went with my dad and his mate (who is an egyptologist as is currently writting a book!) He was telling me alot more egyptologist have alot of alternative theorys or a different slant on the history of egypt (not so much him - but openly admits- what do we really know?), but as usual they keep theese concepts to themself- as there is no evidence to support them

Not being too anti-wealth but does anybody know an egyptologist who has come from a very poor family? its a boys club - like so many other professions (or most)

its all about the
money...money...money
and how much they can screw you! (i do understand the common person is so poor its not funny)

I think this is my point
if the bosnian goverment can get the influx of tourists to come see the "pyrimid" like they do in egypt they will be laugh
Thats what its all about.

Which is a shame

I know i deviated from topic.
sory

Originally posted by Chris the watcher
I know i deviated from topic.
sory

There is at least one other fairly current thread here at ATS that concerns Hawass. I meant to link it in my last post. If you want to discuss him, post there.

Sorry for the off-topic posts.

Harte

Hey peeps

I dont know if your watching this thread,

again off topic....

Hawass has found a shaft, linking his find "the osiris tomb" (though once to be Alexander the greats tomb!) to perhaps the Sphinx

He's Planning on putting a camera through it!

Originally posted by Chris the watcher
firstly of course we have got egyptian translations wrong

What are you basing this on? Which are the correct ones? Did the Rosetta stone lie and have two languages with one inscription but the Egyptian inscription isn't a copy of the other two languages?

as i say v.personall it is he who coined the word "pyrimidiots" for people with different ideas about prymids than he. I been trying too find the Chanel 5(uk) doc he appeared on where he reffered, Robert Schoch to having Idiot Claims! Schoch's responce was laughter!

Huh? Erm... that isn't even English, and Hawass certainly knows English. The term, "pyramidiot" was coined by Wallis Budge, by the way.

Why does he want all the treasure returned?

Nations... ALL nations... are starting to demand archaeological treasures returned to them. Their ancestors created the items and they want them back.

The tour guide's were crap, they couldnt answer many of my questions and constantly wanted tips! I went with my dad and his mate (who is an egyptologist as is currently writting a book!) He was telling me alot more egyptologist have alot of alternative theorys or a different slant on the history of egypt (not so much him - but openly admits- what do we really know?), but as usual they keep theese concepts to themself- as there is no evidence to support them

Cool! Where'd he get his PhD from? Which era did he specialize in?

But, no, tour guides are not often specialists. They're locals who will do this for whatever they can earn. Some are good and some are very bad. You can arrange through tour bureaus to have specialists take you to sites, but this is costly.

Not being too anti-wealth but does anybody know an egyptologist who has come from a very poor family? its a boys club - like so many other professions (or most)

Yes. And there are hundreds of them. It's hardly a boy's club. Graduate school is a financial struggle, and I haven't seen many who can go through a PhD without getting grants and financial aid because of the staggering cost of books and school.

Many Egyptologists (and archaeologists) do not come from a family of archaeologists and Egyptologists.

I don't know where you got your information, but I have been in archaeology classes in grad school and am on a mailing list for jobs in archaeology/Egyptology. iOne of the large schools for Egyptology is here in Dallas (SMU) and I've met and talked with students and profs.

its all about the
money...money...money
and how much they can screw you! (i do understand the common person is so poor its not funny)

Average pay for an archaeologist with a PhD is somewhere around $30-$45K/year. Check out www.shovelbums.org and you'll see how badly researchers and crew are paid (average pay for crew is $12/hour.)

I think this is my point
if the bosnian goverment can get the influx of tourists to come see the "pyrimid" like they do in egypt they will be laugh
Thats what its all about.

Which is a shame

Yes, they see Osmanagic as a real gold mine, and for now he certainly is. But if they buy into his idea, they will be left hanging with expensive buildings and so forth and and no money for staff and resources because there's no tourism. This happened to the Turkish site that Ron Wyatt said was Noah's Ark.

Dude- you dont practice archeology in the field then?

If you had lots of money or some of daddys rich friends, would you not be able to finance yourself?

its not a rip,

35k a year is a lot of money,


a lot more than i and im a construction design engineer!

If i thought i could have earned a decent living through archeology- i would have done it

nevermind...lol


[edit on 4-8-2006 by Chris the watcher]

also $12 is more than I!

Originally posted by Chris the watcher
Dude- you dont practice archeology in the field then?

ROFL! No. I'm an anthropologist, not an archaeologist. I did take courses and belong to the state society and have gone on digs.

If you had lots of money or some of daddys rich friends, would you not be able to finance yourself?

For a dig? Maybe. However, many digs are financed by having students pay for them as a course. The Mormon church did back many, hoping to find proof for the Book of Mormon, but they've cut back on that. Occasionally you get foundation grants for them... but if you go looking into the issue, you will find that almost nobody funds the expeditions out of their own pockets.

The National Science Foundation funds some:
www.seas.upenn.edu...

The BBC funds some:
www.findarticles.com...

States fund them with taxes:
www.vwc.edu...

Universities fund them via field schools (basically the students bear most of the cost) :
www.bris.ac.uk...

Corporations fund them:
lsm.crt.state.la.us...

National governments fund them:
www.heraldtimesonline.com...

...and on and on and on. I could provide you with thousands of links proving all of the above. archaeology.about.com...

Tiny projects are occasionally funded out of someone's pocket, but this is rare. The current paleontological digs for the Dallas Museum of Natural Science (where I volunteer) are being funded by grants and by the museum itself. The PhDs on the project (whom I know personally) came from working class backgrounds.

Ain't no big money funding them! Or me, either!

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by Chris the watcher
as i say v.personall it is he who coined the word "pyrimidiots" for people with different ideas about prymids than he. I been trying too find the Chanel 5(uk) doc he appeared on where he reffered, Robert Schoch to having Idiot Claims! Schoch's responce was laughter!

Huh? Erm... that isn't even English, and Hawass certainly knows English. The term, "pyramidiot" was coined by Wallis Budge, by the way.

www.touregypt.net...
It was actually Petrie who first coined the term, "pyramidiot" to describe what he saw as a quasi-religious cult.

I never thought I would do that.

Ciao

Shane

Shane:

Wow, after all of this back and forth bickering, something truely educational came out of it. At least now I know who coined that term. Good to know that little bit of trivia. Sure I'll be using it here soon.

Good find,

TheBorg

P.S. Anyone got any real news on this thing? Or have they decided to call the excavation quits due to the season?

www.dailygrail.com...

I hope that those of us who were skeptical don't gloat about this. As Colette Dowell wrote, "We do not know what to think – well, we do, but do not know yet how to express it without hurting anyone or taking away from any persons’ dream."

A lot of dreams will be shattered by this, and that is tragic. If Dr. Dowell is right, then the fears I have expressed seem to have been realistic.
And there are a lot of questions to be asked of the Foundation, eg she writes:

"The tunnels, well, as I told you I had received a report before I left...well the report was not true, I do not know why that geologist would write a false report. I would have never gone into the tunnels if I would have known what they were really like, they could have caved in man times and I told Sammie about the problems with the report, but he had never received it as he told me. So I wonder why would I be sent a false report or a report that does not match up to what the tunnels really are."

and
"Also, the inscriptions, the letter E on the famous rock that as found in the tunnels. Well, sorry to tell you this, but those inscriptions were not in the tunnels on that rock initially, I spoke many times with the geologist who first entered those tunnels and found the rock and was in the tunnel many times – those inscriptions were never there, then one morning they just showed up. Now there are more."

and "I must say, the Bosnian people themselves are beautiful and lovely people. I feel bad for them when the truth will be revealed in the future at some point in time."

Originally posted by Chris the watcher

this is a (single) quote from hawass

Dr. Zahi Hawass, Director of Antiquities of the Giza Plateau and Sakkara, referred to the research as "American hallucinations" (see J. A. West, 1993, Serpent (revised edition), p. 229).


Why does he want all the treasure returned? It is not his or his peoples, the Arab people who came to that land have been tomb robbing (then selling them to the west forever!),

The Egyptians of today are basically the descendants of the Egyptians who built the pyramids, there's been very little change in the population although there was obviously a major change in language and religion.

Doug beat me to it.

Colette M. Dowell is one of the experts that Osmanagic invited to come confirm his pyramid. She has been strongly supportive of "there really IS a pyramid there!" information, and a great promoter of Osmanagic.

She came to the site (and was asked to stay for a month) by Osmanagic.
A few quotes:

I will speak little for Schoch, but he feels the same – we have many samples, none of which are showing ancient man made intervention to create a pyramid.

She's very sad and very disturbed that what she believed is false. www.dailygrail.com...

Most damning is this (which confirms a lot of what we suspected):

Also, the inscriptions, the letter E on the famous rock that as found in the tunnels. Well, sorry to tell you this, but those inscriptions were not in the tunnels on that rock initially, I spoke many times with the geologist who first entered those tunnels and found the rock and was in the tunnel many times – those inscriptions were never there, then one morning they just showed up. Now there are more. So, the inscriptions that are on that rock are not true.

There's more in the article and I encourage folks to read it and to read her other entries on this (when she DID believe in it). Her first optomistic report is here:
www.dailygrail.com...

Her link and discussion of the geologic report (which turned out to be completely false, as she mentions in the first post I listed):
www.dailygrail.com...

Originally posted by Shane

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by Chris the watcher
as i say v.personall it is he who coined the word "pyrimidiots" for people with different ideas about prymids than he. I been trying too find the Chanel 5(uk) doc he appeared on where he reffered, Robert Schoch to having Idiot Claims! Schoch's responce was laughter!

Huh? Erm... that isn't even English, and Hawass certainly knows English. The term, "pyramidiot" was coined by Wallis Budge, by the way.

www.touregypt.net...
It was actually Petrie who first coined the term, "pyramidiot" to describe what he saw as a quasi-religious cult.

I never thought I would do that.

Ciao

Shane

Lol! Petrie it is! I associated it with Budge for some reason. Dear old Petrie...

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by Shane

www.touregypt.net...
It was actually Petrie who first coined the term, "pyramidiot" to describe what he saw as a quasi-religious cult.

I never thought I would do that.

Lol! Petrie it is! I associated it with Budge for some reason. Dear old Petrie...

Yeah, he had a hot wife too - Laura I think.

Laura Petrie, what a dish!

Harte

Originally posted by Harte
Yeah, he had a hot wife too - Laura I think.

Laura Petrie, what a dish!

Harte

And now your showing your age my friend.

Ciao

Shane

Not to get totally off-topic...

Originally posted by Chris the watcher
also $12 is more than I!

Yeesh, I earnt that teaching English in the 3rd world. Where the hell are you a construction design engineer if you can't earn 35 grand a year?

As a former susbscriber to an archeological journal, I have to agree with Byrd's assessment of the situation. Each time calls were made for dig volunteers there was a hefty personal price to pay for contributing to a museaum's collection and providing a PHD with research material.

Perhaps you're thinking of the days of Lord Elgin and Howard Carter. Remember, Carter was funded by Lord Caernarvon.

Originally posted by Shane

Originally posted by Harte
Yeah, he had a hot wife too - Laura I think.

Laura Petrie, what a dish!

Harte

And now your showing your age my friend.

Ciao

Shane

Don't worry Harte, I liked your joke.