Bosnian Pyramid Update

Still waiting for all the natural formations that look like pyramids... where are the pickies?

Not common or even possible for sharp angular edges especially at such a slope and distance in nature.

Hills look pyramidal to me, they are not round or square or hexagonal that's for sure.

If sufficient structure is found underneath under sufficient surface area then it would highly suggest that the naturally occuring hill HAD BEEN WORKED BY PEOPLE to produce the pyramid shape. Seems a reasonable and logical assumption to me.

Again too many people here think Giza pyramids when the variety and styles of pyramids around the world are quite varied.

maybe a primer needs to be added to this thread to show many members the pyramids in China etc so they can SEE FOR THEMSELVES.

Either way keep digging and keep kicking the academics because they need a good come uppance in my opinion.

I was just thinking, isnt there a satellite that can ping the surface of earth and
return rock structures underneath the soil ? If there isnt then one should be sent
up. would be very helpful for situations like this.

Originally posted by TheBorg
guess the debate here should be on whether man put them there, or if they manipulated an already existing geographic feature to ease the construction. Time will tell.

TheBorg

Err, have a read through the thread. That is exactly the debate we have been having.

Originally posted by ArMaP
A correction of my perceptions of this story.

Until now I had the idea that Semir Osmanagić was saying that these were pyramids in the same way as the Egyptian pyramids, completely built by humans (conspiracies apart) on a more or less flat ground.

That is what he originally claimed

But today I noticed that in what he said was that the hill was transformed to give it a perfectly pyramidal shape.

Yes, he's now changed his theory because it's become so obvious that he was wrong ..... (and that his detractors were right)



Incidently, here's what Dr Zahi Hawass - the leading expert on Egypt's pyramids - has to say both on Visocica and Mr Barakat:

This “pyramid” is actually a sloping hill near a village. This was famous in the Middle
Ages as a meeting place for merchants. What was found there is really just a mass of huge
stones, evidently a natural geologic formation. The stones do not match, and there is no
evidence that they were put together to form a solid structure. No one can say that these
stones were transported by human beings since each weighs approximately 40 tons. Apart
from its general outline, this hill bears absolutely no resemblance to the Egyptian pyramids.
Mr. Barakat, the Egyptian geologist working with Mr. Osmanagic, knows nothing about
Egyptian pyramids. He was not sent by the SCA, and we do not support or concur with his
statements.

www.archaeology.org...

Unfortunately, Hawas is very much loathed amoung the peopel supportive of atlantis et al, I don't think his opinion, learned as it is, will change the debate much.

Hawas has been 'burned' by the esoteric community before, he actually permited a group to dig under the sphinx, exposing it to some amount of risk, and when nothing was found, rather than being called 'open minded', he's lampooned as a monster covering up ancient knowledge to protect his own pride. So its interesting that he is actually following this bosnian pyramid, he must still have an interest in the esoteir and bizzare, even after all that.

[edit on 28-6-2006 by Nygdan]

[edit on 28-6-2006 by Nygdan]

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Still waiting for all the natural formations that look like pyramids... where are the pickies?

Can't believe I'm wasting my time, but obviously someone's browser settings need a little tweeking as the rest of us can see the pictures just fine.

Not common or even possible for sharp angular edges especially at such a slope and distance in nature.

Right. Ice cannot create hard edges? Ever seen pictures of Wave Rock? How about (for the 3rd time) the Giant's Causeway? Hell, Kielor is just out of Melbourne (not for much longer with urba sprawl) the Organ Pipes are pretty impressive for something that nature couldn't create.

Hills look pyramidal to me, they are not round or square or hexagonal that's for sure.

Love it. The mountain in Antarctica is not pyramidal, but Visocica is...

Either way keep digging and keep kicking the academics because they need a good come uppance in my opinion.

That's right. Intellectuals are the problem, I say the Khmer Rouge had the right idea. Do away with the intellectuals, what have they ever done to help us? Bloody drain on resources they are, consume food and fuel and what do they produce?

Originally posted by Essan
Yes, he's now changed his theory because it's become so obvious that he was wrong ..... (and that his detractors were right)

He actually stated over 6 months ago

"The hill was already there," he added. "Some ancient civilization just shaped it and then coated it with this primitive concrete - and there you have a pyramid."

www.seacoastonline.com...

This article seems to date from Sun. December 4, 2005.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

The same interview on sun. December 5, 2005.

So he clearly hasnt suddenly changed his story if those dates are correct. He has in fact been saying from december 2005 that the hill was already there and that he believed it had been shaped by some civilization. Doesnt seem too far fetched to me.

If these dates are wrong i'll stand corrected.

M4S

[edit on 28/6/06 by mojo4sale]to correct time.

[edit on 28/6/06 by mojo4sale]

How long ago is December 2005? 18 months?

Sorry my Bad , over 6months ago!! (he says as he pulls his foot out of his mouth).

Originally posted by Nygdan
If I can just say something about the pictures, I, and I think most of us, really appreciate having crev provide these photos, .........., we've seen a wonderful flood of photos.

This has always been MY PERSONAL HOPE, when History is being RE-Discovered.

TO SEE IT!

Someone that allows us, an opportunity to SEE the Site, and all the finds, whatever they maybe or wherever they are found.

When viewing what "Academia and the Scholary" find doing a dig, we always get sanitized reports and a Commercial Presentation on some Info Channel, but here in Bosnia, we are actually viewing real discovery. Whatever that may imply, will unfold in front of us hopefully.

And Crev is giving these photos and such, to us to see firsthand.

I think this is what ALL Acrhaeology should look like, but try telling that to someone bent on having a bunch of letters after his/her name and the personal glory attributed to Major discoveries.

You do not get this, anywhere else, from what I have been able to find.

ONLY Dismissive Remarks from those within Academia and the Scholary Groups. The remarks "This is Not!", and "This Guy is not the proper person to do the dig!"

Petty Jealousy

Anyways, I just thought I would like to send Crev a Big thumb's up for his efforts, compliment ATS for hosting this forum, and thank God it's "This Guy" (Sam), thats doing the Dig and not those from the Academia and the Scholary Types. We would wait for Months, if not longer, to see the Sanitized version on the Tube.

Ciao

Shane

And Crev is giving these photos and such, to us to see firsthand.

And nicely dealing with a lot of flack in doing so! Thanks again Crev!

radar image


this is possible tunels trough the sun pyramid


sun pyramid walls





on moon pyramid, something



[edit on 29-6-2006 by Crvenkapica]

Originally posted by mojo4sale

So he clearly hasnt suddenly changed his story if those dates are correct. He has in fact been saying from december 2005 that the hill was already there and that he believed it had been shaped by some civilization. Doesnt seem too far fetched to me.

If these dates are wrong i'll stand corrected.

No, I stand corrected ......

I have not seen those quotes before. All news reports I have seen have referred to a manmade pyramid and equated it to those at Giza and in C America. The implication always being that the entire hill is manmade. I was totally unaware that Osmanagic had ever considered that it was not an entirely manmade structure!

I (and others) have also based a lot of comments and opinions on this interview in which he states:

I started with geological trial excavations in August which showed many anomalies convincing even some experts around me that this was not a natural formation.

In October of 2005 I continued my excavation on my own with wide digs, so-called probing (excavation) wells, which showed the structure of the walls of the pyramid, access plateau and the pyramid design. For an expert eye there was no doubt any more at that point: stone tiles made a stairs-like pyramid 220 meters tall, and treated stone tiles were making up the access plateau.

~ ~ ~

Of course this with age is my assumption. For now we have two very important indicators that pyramids were under water for several hundred years. Only such occurrence can be related to the melting of the ice at the end of the last Ice age 12.000 years ago. In other words, pyramids existed then already.

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What we know about the design is the following: stairs like character of the pyramid is made by pulling in each nest level of stone tiles towards inside and in addition to that, we have a balcony of about two and a half meters. And that way to the top. Egyptian kufu (Keops's) pyramid has a space between blocks („stairs“) of half a meter. Pyramid of the sun in Teotihuacán (Mexico) has smooth angles with balconies spacier than that of the Bosnian pyramid of the Sun. Looking from up close, there are differences in details. From far perfect pyramid geometry is what distinguishes all three complexes.

~ ~ ~

Estimation (until official results in April) is that the Bosnian pyramid of the Sun is 220 meters tall and far taller than the one in Egypt. Area is twice the size of the Egyptian and the Mexican. Regarding the age, there is more and more evidence that the main pyramid complex were built right before the end of the last Ice age, indicating that there was world wide plan for building these monuments.

As I say, the implicatin has always been that it's a wholly man-made structure comparable with those in Mexico and Egypt.


Of course, there's no sign as yet of Osmanagic's cement that supposedly covers the hill

I heard that deep under one of these pyramids, dracula has been kipping. Is there any factual evidence for this?

Err, Dracula is a fictional character, so it is doubful that he is lying under one of the hills. Anyway, he is actually meant to be "resting" in a tomb in Whitby (wonderful town which I used to go camping near when I was a lad) on the North East coast of England.

Essan et al - I think the confusion over what Osmanagic is claiming is due to the hundreds of, often contradictory, claims he makes. I pointed out earlier he has made at least 6 different claims for the height of the "pyramid" and even more for it's age. To be fair I think some stuff is lost in translation.

The impression I got is that he thinks there was a hill to start with but that they built a full south-american style pyramid on top. If you look at the official website there are loads of (often appalling) mock-ups of what they believe the pyramid would have looked like. It involves huge cut stone blocks built up into a "stepped" style pyramid. The fact that they haven't found a single huge cut block yet (who's stolen them!) hasn't put him off.

I think his "shotgun" approach to claims makes it very difficult to prove him wrong on all of them, as he will just fall back on another as one starts to look to shakey.

It will be interesting to see what conclusions he draws after his research, as I have just found out what he thought about the Mayans after studying them and their pyramids - they were from outer space

It is nice to see some civility returning, and assumptions or presumptions calming to a more reasonable level.

I also had some inclination to think of this, as a comparision to the "Giza" type of pyramid, but this is clearly, not what is being found.

I do understand that in all likelyhood, we are seeing an "ENCASED" Hill or Mountain.

Reflecting back on the more normal or expected types of Pyramids, as we would expect, it was an attempt to be nearer to God or those lessors claiming to be god.

Since the Home of the gods where within the firmament, peoples attempted to "Construct" these towers to 'reach' to god. Also there are many that associate a Mountian as being the habitation place of God or these lessor gods.

What does Bosnia have, that these Other Locals lack? Mountians of course.

My post now becomes a Question and I direct this to TWO of the Forum contributors.

HEY BYRD HELLO HARTE

I have a question.

Is there any evidence of such "Constructions" elsewhere on the Globe? A Hill or Mountian being "transformed", for lack of a better word. And leave the Asian examples for Agriculture out please.

I am curious, as always, and know out of all here, (within ATS) you would best be suited to answer this. Despite our differences in View Points, you are both very informative and seem to have a great background in this area.

And if anyother's would wish to answer, please feel free. I did not mean to exclude any but just thought my friends would assist.

Ciao

Shane

HEY BYRD HELLO HARTE

I have a question.

Is there any evidence of such "Constructions" elsewhere on the Globe? A Hill or Mountian being "transformed", for lack of a better word. And leave the Asian examples for Agriculture out please.

Shane,

Leaving out agricultural purposes, the only other such "transformation" of topography would be various types of fortifications, as far as I'm aware.

But anytime you want to lump me in with the esteemed Byrd, I'm glad to read it!

Harte

OY! I hadn't read the original.

Of course this with age is my assumption. For now we have two very important indicators that pyramids were under water for several hundred years. Only such occurrence can be related to the melting of the ice at the end of the last Ice age 12.000 years ago. In other words, pyramids existed then already.

Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh. That's so bad it's startling.

"Pyramids under water"? They're too tall and too high up to have been underwater during the Hypsithermal (8,000 years ago and during a time when there's lots of artifacts there and in the region showing that people were living on land and not merrily glubbing for their lives in undersea cities.

Estimation (until official results in April) is that the Bosnian pyramid of the Sun is 220 meters tall and far taller than the one in Egypt. Area is twice the size of the Egyptian and the Mexican. Regarding the age, there is more and more evidence that the main pyramid complex were built right before the end of the last Ice age, indicating that there was world wide plan for building these monuments.

Evidence that he doesn't give out. It should be in the form of dated material and artifacts.

Originally posted by Crvenkapica
radar image

this is possible tunels trough the sun pyramid

He's saying that? Based on those pictures??? Sheesh.

on moon pyramid, something

Y'know what it looks like -- it looks like some of the bath/steam rooms in old Roman houses. That deep "pool" on the floor is kind of a giveaway, I think. But I'd defer to others since in making this guess I'm simply going on some material I've seen on Discovery and the Travel Channel -- and not on having taken courses in it.

Originally posted by Shane
Is there any evidence of such "Constructions" elsewhere on the Globe? A Hill or Mountian being "transformed", for lack of a better word. And leave the Asian examples for Agriculture out please.

Not like that, no. The manpower needed is immense and only a largeish civilization (coordinated by rulers) could hae done this. There are megaliths and mounds (and huge mounds here in America built by AmerInds.) There are pyramids of dirt faced with stone where the Chinese built a tomb and then piled a (literally) mountain of dirt over it and paved that with stone to discourage robbers an desecrators (worked well, I should add.) There are mountain fortresses and cities like Petra carved out of native sandstone. But the churches and city of Petra are more modern... and again, we have a large civilization responsible for this.

Does that mean we'll never find any? No... but it's unlikely. It requires a lot of labor, a lot of resources, a settled population area capable of supporting tens of thousands of people in a small area, and a decent level of stoneworking.

(nice to see you posting again! I hope things are well with you.)