Bosnian Pyramid Update

Originally posted by Marduk
Well Dr Robert Schoch has now got a few pages on his website dedicated to showing Osmaganic up for a con man or a deluded fool
robertschoch.net...
i had to laugh though when he said

Having more than a casual interest in ancient pyramids (after all, I am the author of two books focusing on pyramids: Voyages of the Pyramid Builders, and Pyramid Quest),

i.e. Robert Schoch is not a pyramidologist, egyptologist or any kind of historian
his claim in "voyages of the pyramid builders" that there was a race of super advanced masons travelling the world building pyramids who had originated on the now sunken land of sundaland was laughable

The interesting thing is that Osmanagic tapped Schoch to come investigate to quiet the roars from the academic community and to give him and his project some good press.

But Osmanagic's evidence isn't even convincing to believers -- and Schoch really was half-convinced before he saw the evidence for himself. He may flop into pseudoscience, but he's a Real Geologist.

Don't debunk the baby as well as the bath water. Schoch's findings were endorced by the American Association for the Advancement of Science. The redating of the Sphinx is one of the few cases of hard evidence for a alternative timeline to history.

Good link here:
See Book 1, part 1.

The redating of the Sphinx is one of the few cases of hard evidence for a alternative timeline to history.

nope
its evidence that it rained in egypt a lot more than archaeogeologists thought it did
just because it has water erosion that doesnt mean that anything else is incorrect

Rizla, you wrote " Don't debunk the baby as well as the bath water. Schoch's findings were endorced by the American Association for the Advancement of Science. The redating of the Sphinx is one of the few cases of hard evidence for a alternative timeline to history. "

No association or society has ever endorsed Robert Schoch's ideas, and that isn't what happens to anyone at such meetings. I don't know about the AAAS one, but the Geological one was a situation in which he had a stall in a large hall with other people's stalls, and people could drop by and look at the display and discuss it.

Doug

vivo.aaas.org...

I've read an interesting article on Bosnian Pyramid about the corners of the pyramid. It would be an easy way to proof quickly the existance, but they dig near the corners but not the corners. Then they've dug somethin on the top of it, but not the top!? I've seen some pictures on Bosnian Pyramid Photo Gallery that really let me think again about this whole thing. Every day I believe less in this mystery.

Originally posted by Doug Weller
No association or society has ever endorsed Robert Schoch's ideas, and that isn't what happens to anyone at such meetings. I don't know about the AAAS one, but the Geological one was a situation in which he had a stall in a large hall with other people's stalls, and people could drop by and look at the display and discuss it.

Fair enough. No one officially endorsed him, but the reception was not hostile. Apprently it was encouraging.

Take a look at the link I posted. It has a photograpgh of the erosion on the sphinx. I'm a layman, but it certainly looks like erosion caused by heavy rain.

Fair enough. No one officially endorsed him, but the reception was not hostile. Apprently it was encouraging.

it was encouraged by Psuedoscientists and alterno historians which doesn't count.
Its never been encouraged by anyone else qualified to make a judgement and even Schoch has now revised his original claim to a much more recent date

I know this thread is on it's way out, but I thought that I'd at least mention something interesting that I've found recently. I was googling the region around where the pyramids are supposedly at, and found some strange terrace-like structures all over the hills in the area. I don't remember if these have been mentioned yet or not, but I felt that I should at least mention it anyway.

Bosnian Pyramid Region

It should be noted here that you can't get clsoe enough to see any of the "pyramids", but the terracing structures stick out like sore thumbs. You'll spot them immediately. What I wanna know is: Are these phenomena all natural? And if so, what caused them?

Awaiting a reply,

TheBorg

[Edited to add PS]

P.S. If this turns out to actually be terracing, I'll shut up and let this thread quietly make a segue. Otherwise, I'll be intrigued.

[edit on 26-12-2006 by TheBorg]

Updates from the excavation:
www.bosnianpyramid.com...
They've found looots of tunnels, some barely recognisable carving of fish and feel formed stones.
Check the video (though only in Bosnian):
video.google.com...
looks way too much to be dug only for hoax.

looks way too much to be dug only for hoax.

Osmaganic has been excavating for almost two years
what do you think hes been doing all that time ?
so far he hasn't found one credible artifact
maybe you should ask what famed geologist Robert Schoch thinks of the pyramids
he was invited out and given a guided tour by their erstwhile discoverer
his conclusion
Osmaganic was lying about everything and fabricating evidence

www.robertschoch.net...

www.robertschoch.net...

Tunnel is not hoax. How old its only the question. There were some scripts that claimed that tunnels existed and were very long, but there is no evidence of any mining activity in that region whatsoever.

I don't believe that tunnel is old as Osmanagic is claiming, but I do believe it's much older then current history likes to claim. Don't forget this region was inhabited much before first European civilizations.

Originally posted by vietifulJoe
Tunnel is not hoax. How old its only the question. There were some scripts that claimed that tunnels existed and were very long, but there is no evidence of any mining activity in that region whatsoever.

I don't think he was discounting the tunnels, but rather the finds in the tunnels. Some of them were clearly faked.

They seem to be early mining tunnels from the stone age civilizations. While stone age men weren't very good miners and couldn't get far inside hills, they could dig short ways to get at things they wanted to bring to the surface... and they also dug tunnels and so forth as burial places for their dead.

I don't believe that tunnel is old as Osmanagic is claiming, but I do believe it's much older then current history likes to claim. Don't forget this region was inhabited much before first European civilizations.

I'm not sure what you think history is claiming, but if these are stone age mines and tunnels that he's destroying with his heavy-handed faking, then he's erasing traces that are 15,000 years old and perhaps older.

The tunnel is mentioned as escape route for last Bosnian queen from coming Ottomans. Reason the story was doubted is that it said that she exited far away from Visoko. (can't remember exact location)

I don't think that those are short tunnels made in stone age. We have a lot of stone age locations (one was even close to my hometown). What I think is that this might have been done before 10th century (history line for Slavs invasion)

Some even older mines existed in region of Srebrenica (name meaning something like Silver-city) and most of mines around the country were recorded and tools and other artifacts were found around in int the mines.

This is something different.

BTW, at the same time, there is a new find in location called Hutovo Blato. This does not have nothing in common with Osmanagic's Pyramid, but it might have been artifacts from the people who might made those tunnels. (Ilirs) Two small ships with amphora's and some other artifacts.

VietfulJoe


I started a thread based on your information specific to Hutovo Blato. I simply posted a link and my own take on the story.

My guess is the two research sites are related, somehow. And although Dr. Osmanagich claims his pyramids go back 10,000 years or more, it may very well end up being evidence of a transitional culture between the Illyrians and the Albanians that got left behind.

A tunneling, terrace building culture that made giant round spheres...Hmmm...

In the beginning, I was sold on the pyramid idea, now I'm pretty doubtful.

Here are some more interesting and new pieces to the Bosnian Pyramid Puzzle

Someone will likely post this link as a separate thread, but its important to include it here to relate what Dr. Osmanagich is finding (ok, now I'm beginning to get curious again towards his pyramid theory...possible?)

The Egyptians Poured Their Own Cement to Make the Pyramids

Look at some of the unusual large slabs of cement they have found in Visoko. Compare to the research they have on the pyramids...

Anyone?

newtron25,

I am very sure that what Osmanagic is claiming is hoax, but I hate that because of him (Osmanagic) and retarded Bosnian archaeological society other stuff like find in Hutovo Blato gets underrated.

Albanian's are claiming that they are descendants of Illyrian, but large number of Illyrian tribes were assimilated with coming Slavs tribes.

This still doesn't explain existence of tunnels.

Lately so called 'Pyramid opposition' made of couple bloggers (who might be source of information for Robert Schoch) released documents from Bosnian government regarding Osmanagic's request for financing this site. Apparently they will not get finance, as well they are very unlikely to get required permits for future digs.

Also they are pointing to Osmanagic's organization's unwillingness to disclose all findings. (such as two skeletons found in the tunnels over a year ago)

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by Donner
Is it just me or does anyone notice a frightening lack of... well... control in this 'excavation'?

Exactly.

Yes, I also agree. Very strange, you would think this would become one of the greatest archaeological discoveries since sliced bread! (that is not the best analogy and I will be the first to admit it... lol but in all honesty, I came up with that as I could not be sure what the last greatest archaeological discovery was!)

After reading one of the responses herein that suggested 'somebody was lying'...I then asked myself: "self...why would anyone lie about this, downplay it?" I could not reach a satisfactory answer.

I am, however keen for an experts take on this....

Bryd? EDIT: 'disregard... lol -> need to read the entire thread before I contribe...* makes note to self...

geologist Aly Abd Alla Barakat, who was said to be from the Egyptian Mineral Resource Authority. According to the stories, Barakat declared that the hill was indeed a pyramid, though a "primitive" one. Was Barakat there officially? What was his expertise? The news stories said that he was "sent by Cairo" (Reuters, June 5) and that he was an "expert in pyramids" (Deutsche Presse-Agentur, June 2). Barakat, we were told, had sent his report to Zahi Hawass, secretary general of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, who had "recommended him to the foundation leading the excavation work" (Agence France-Presse, June 12). Taking it all together, you might believe that Barakat had been dispatched by Dr. Hawass. Could that be true?

Unable to confirm any of this, I asked Dr. Hawass directly. Concerning Barakat, he states: "Mr. Barakat, the Egyptian geologist working with Mr. Osmanagic, knows nothing about Egyptian pyramids. He was not sent by the SCA, and we do not support or concur with his statements." The supposed pyramid, Dr. Hawass says, is "evidently a natural geologic formation" and that "Apart from its general outline, this hill bears absolutely no resemblance to the Egyptian pyramids." He concludes that, "Mr. Osmanic's theories are purely hallucinations on his part, with no scientific backing."

www.archaeology.org...

The latest news story from Bosnia quotes two volunteers (said to be archaeologists): "We still don't know about the date, we don't have any artefacts, we don't know who and why built up this construction.

"Not any evidence at all has been found," says Harding, quoted by the Associated Press. "I've seen the site, in my opinion it is entirely natural." But the same article, widely carried with slight variations (here is one example), still describes Osmanagic as "the amateur Bosnian archaeologist who has been investigating Latin American pyramids for 15 years." The conclusions reached by him, that the Maya originally came from outer space, identify the kind of researcher Mr. Osmangic is, but that's ignored by the reporter

ref aboven

hmmmm I cannot be sure of the source but it does raise some valid facts... quite an interesting read. For the moment I will sit on the fence with this one...





[edit on 27-5-2007 by NJE777]

What's happening here is the wrong person PERHAPS in the right place at the right time.

If there is nothing in Visoko, let the man dig until he has spent his last penny. If there is actually something there, and Dr. O is a dangerous lunatic, then why would the greater scientific community ALLOW HIM to take backhoes to the site knowing he could be destroying priceless links to the past?

This all doesn't make any sense to me at all if, what some people say here, that Osmanagich is a hoaxer. Does one or two acts of hoax making destroy an entire site for what it truly is?

What if, because of where he found it and because the Bosnian government really operates this way, that he was given no choice but to entice certain people to become interested in the dig to further investigate what could become an outstanding find....if only he had the backing?

Yes, believing that the UFOs and the Mayans were buddies doesn't help his case. I'm going to guess, just a wild guess here, that in the past, crazed and insane men have discovered incredible important things before.

thats pretty sweet, when i saw the photos, i gasped. i used to live in a place called the Jalon Valley in the Costa Blanca Province of Spain, and on the road to my school there is something like this also! I will get a photo of it when i go on holiday next week and I'll let you decide whether it's a pyramid yourselves!

cheers

Al