how will he come?

Originally posted by thesneakiod
millions suffer and pray every day and yet god chooses to ignore it.
He's not doing his job.

How do you know? Has God told you He has ignored prayers? I guarentee He isn't our "magic genie in the sky" who bows to our every wish. Is that what you're expecting out of God? On the contrary, He's the one in charge and we're to discover His goodness to retore this world. It's convenient to blame God when we're the ones who have mucked it all up.

Isaiah 55:8
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.

Jeremiah 33:3
"Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know."

Jeremiah 29:11
"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

Originally posted by Kachina
Where you see a Christ or Christian, I see Krish-na.
You say tomato, I say ...

Different roots entirely. The English language doesn't really help clarify things. Bee and tree sound like the same thing, but one is completely different than the other.

Originally posted by Kachina
Saint4God may I ask, why the 4?

Certainly. For quickspeak, a lot of usernames and to save space, the number 4 if phonetic for "for". In this context I mean a saint for God. As in, here's my job and who my boss is. The s in saint is intentionally lower cased for two reasons. I'm not THE Saint, I am a saint and am infinitely small in comparison to the other name I stand with in the title.

Originally posted by Kachina
namaste

God bless

[edit on 9-8-2006 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by thesneakiod
millions suffer and pray every day and yet god chooses to ignore it.
He's not doing his job.

How do you know? Has God told you He has ignored prayers? I guarentee He isn't our "magic genie in the sky" who bows to our every wish. Is that what you're expecting out of God? On the contrary, He's the one in charge and we're to discover His goodness to retore this world. It's convenient to blame God when we're the ones who have mucked it all up.

Isaiah 55:8
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.

Jeremiah 33:3
"Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know."

Jeremiah 29:11
"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

Those quotes are not from god, they're from some hebrew over 2000 years ago.
they are irrelevent to this debate.
Im not asking god to answer my prayers to win the lottery. I know people who have suffered hardship in their life and prayed for help yet tragedy still befelled them, along with millions who suffer every day. Yet people still believe.
Why did he give us the ability to be evil and kill?
Free will is all well and good if it benefits mankind, but surely to give us the choice to do either(good or evil) was a bad mistake.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
Those quotes are not from god,

Yes they are, and can be validated when you know the One in question.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
they're from some hebrew over 2000 years ago.

A hebrew wrote them down, but did create them.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
they are irrelevent to this debate.

It is a response to the claim you've made. The claim you've made may be off-topic, but I don't knowingly allow incorrect statements to go unchallenged if I can help it.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
Im not asking god to answer my prayers to win the lottery.

That's a start.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
I know people who have suffered hardship in their life and prayed for help yet tragedy still befelled them, along with millions who suffer every day. Yet people still believe.

A true testament of faith. Why do you think they still believe?

Originally posted by thesneakiod
Why did he give us the ability to be evil and kill?

He loves us so much that He wants us to learn how to make good decisions as opposed to being mindless drones of slavery.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
Free will is all well and good if it benefits mankind, but surely to give us the choice to do either(good or evil) was a bad mistake.

Was it? I'm surprised then that you're more willing to criticize (which is a free will) than just submitting your will to trusting in His judgement. Ask Him to take your free will away if you don't want it. Since He gave it, surely He can take it away.


[edit on 9-8-2006 by saint4God]

That is the biggest load of bs ive ever heard. Its actually laughable.
If god took away are ability to kill, the world would be full of drones? I hope you are joking. I wonder if you would have the same thought if, god forbid(no pun intented) something terrible happened to member of your family.

You can't argue with blind believers, they dont like cold harsh truths pointed at them.
And by the way, those quotes are not from god they were written as part of a made up story that was written over 2 millenia ago.
Wake up and smell the coffee.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
That is the biggest load of bs ive ever heard. Its actually laughable.

It isn't, but form whatever opinion you wish. More proof of free will.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
If god took away are ability to kill, the world would be full of drones?

God gave us the option of having that ability (the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil in the garden) and we elected to take it. We wanted it, took it and got it. This is the bed we made, so now we are laying in it.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
I hope you are joking.

Sorry, I'm not.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
I wonder if you would have the same thought if, god forbid(no pun intented) something terrible happened to member of your family.

I cannot change the facts due to my desires. Reality does not conform to my wishes.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
You can't argue with blind believers, they dont like cold harsh truths pointed at them.

Ignoring the blatant carpet-bombing generalization of this statement, what makes you say that?

Originally posted by thesneakiod
And by the way, those quotes are not from god they were written as part of a made up story that was written over 2 millenia ago.

This information is incorrect. Please check your sources and continue looking for the right answer.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
Wake up and smell the coffee.

Did that a decade an a half ago. I've been having "coffee" each day since.

Seriously queenannie,

I do not wish to be associated, connected, or defined by a religion that does not, as a whole, honor or obey God; that teaches the doctrines of men as those of God; and as a whole, is rife with hypocrisy. It is better for me that I do what God has put in my heart than to call myself by some name that is going to meet with the approval of men

and

Like I say, every time: you have already been fooled by your religion which is the true antichrist--working against the very things God stands for.

Then have the nerve to say:

I don't 'disdain' anyone.

I still do not judge the individual. I am judging the institution of christianity, and not in the sense of 'giving a verdict,' but rather I am discerning truth from fiction

You do realize that you are judging each individual Christian when you judge us as a whole....right?

several times a day, I do a 'plank check.' And I know I am not a hypocrite, and never have been.

straight from Wiki

Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have morals or virtues that one does not truly possess or practice.

I dunno, maybe this thread is not for me. It seems to be a pro god thread with no rational debate from either sides. In fact the thread has deviated from its original
issue which i admit is my fault, since the bad things that have happened in my life
has forced me to finally admit to myself that god doesnt exist.

I would never abuse or degrade people for having beliefs if it comforts and brings them hope.

I apologise if i offended anyone, because none was meant.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
I dunno, maybe this thread is not for me. It seems to be a pro god thread with no rational debate from either sides.

In all fairness, the title assumes he will come and asks people to speculate beyond what is written. It's a very very small population who believes he will come back but not in the way it is written in the Bible.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
In fact the thread has deviated from its original
issue which i admit is my fault, since the bad things that have happened in my life
has forced me to finally admit to myself that god doesnt exist.

Feel free to U2U if you'd like to share details. I'm very interested to hear why.

Originally posted by thesneakiod
I would never abuse or degrade people for having beliefs if it comforts and brings them hope.

I apologise if i offended anyone, because none was meant.

I didn't see anything offensive. Even if so, we don't know each other personally here so seeing somone offended would be admittedly confusing for me.

Originally posted by mrsdudara
Seriously queenannie,

(..)

Then have the nerve to say:

I don't 'disdain' anyone.

How do you equate 'disdain' with speaking bluntly & without apology about something that is not only potentially dangerous but, if true, literally harmful to other people?

While you may not think I have any grounds at all for saying that christianity is a deception, I would think that the fact that I don't let up on it--yet am not someone who ridicules anyone for believing in God, Himself or is prone to slinging insults or calling names...that someone might think about it...even that they might be curious enough to at least find some verses or positive something or other to at least try to shut me up on the subject!!!

That's how I learned a lot of the things that we widely accept as 'truth' in christian doctrine are not scriptural, at all--because I wanted to know if they were or not...and I approached it from the point of view of 'I'm going to find proof for the rapture,' or whatever it was at any certain time...and I didn't think that the preachers were wrong...but beyond the same old prescribed cut & paste justification we are served as God's truth, I could never find anything to support any of it! & I had to constantly deal with the fact that my ideas were wrong & not God's, but man's...and in the process of trying to prove untrue things true somehow, I found the actual truth that is in the bible & it astounded me to the point of being slack-jawed most of the time I was discovering all this.

You do realize that you are judging each individual Christian when you judge us as a whole....right?

How is that? If you identify so closely with something that is not a person, but rather a school of thought, or a theology, or whatever you might call it (I say 'institution') then perhaps the judgment is rightly given & you should examine yourself instead of immediately take offense and/or think that you have reason to berate me for stating what I have been given to say to you all---and on this I am completely sincere & totally honest.

Because what God is doing, these days, is bringing us all down on the 'threshing floor' & He's seeing who loves Him & His truth & who really seeks to know Him & one day see Him face to face

as opposed to those who are more worried about whether or not they fit it in with any certain already-established human school of thought.

Who opposeth & exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This is us!! Mankind! We are that 'wicked one' who exalts ourselves instead of God!! No one truly praises God! They praise themselves & their choice of faith or ability to walk the line of that faith! That’s huge self-deception in & of itself! We can’t do it! None of us! I know what God can do with a sinner & their sin because He made even me a vessel prepared to serve Him…and not in a popular way, at all…

If my words to Saint4God seemed harsh or ugly, then look at the bigger picture. I don’t like being questioned as if I have no right to quote the bible if I don’t claim to be a Christian like you guys do! & what really tests my patient & tries me as far as threatening to rile up my almost-completely-dead quick fuse to anger is Sun Matrix! He is about as ugly as he can be, for reasons that are his own, totally—and so constantly accuses me of serving Satan & worshipping Baal & even more than testing my patience & training me in meekness, he errs terribly against his own soul in saying such blasphemous things…for he truly is blaspheming the holy spirit when he scorns every word I say…whether any of you believe that, it is true. 100%. I need to learn to understand that the LORD doesn’t require me defending his name to anyone so I will stop adding fuel to the fire & my own part in his error by ever posting anything in reply to his garbage at all! It is something that I must correct in myself!

It is NOT fun.

Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? & now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. & then shall that Wicked be revealed,

Please: notice what it says: iniquity was already at work before Jerusalem was sacked by Titus! 60 years or so after Christ died & rose! Less than a century!!!!
It doesn't say that the 'antichrist' is coming! It says that at some point, when it is time for whatever is allowing it to go on changes its course & reveals it--that's when things come to a head!

Not when it begins to work--but right before it is shut down & we are allowed to see it!!

whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, & shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power & signs & lying wonders, & with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

The love of truth that they might be saved! God is testing us all, in the here & now, for the 'love of the truth.' That is, all of us who profess His name & the name of His Son! He's not done this in the past!

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
~2 Thessalonians 2:4-12

A delusion so strong that it's been practicing & prospering for the last 1700 years or so! Because while Paul says the iniquity is already at work, he says the delusion is yet to be sent! This is the christianity which was born in Rome! Long after all the true followers of Christ were dead to their flesh & given relief from this world!

I know it is hard to swallow. But God isn't saying the whole thing has been a lie--God is TRUE TRUE TRUE...as true as He's always been...and Yehoshua is just as true as Savior & LORD of this world! None of that is a lie...the resurrection, the teachings, the love, the prophecies, etc...

But the religion which presents itself as the only way to find God & the only channel for the 'truth' is the LIE!

What is there to lose if it turns out I am right? If anyone dared to shed their religion yet remain leaning on God's almighty strength, then what would possibly be the risk?

TRULY? What is there to lose if you don't discard God?

God wants to see who loves Him & who loves their religion (feelings of piety both privately & publicly).

[continued...]

straight from Wiki

Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have morals or virtues that one does not truly possess or practice.

Thank you. I am perfectly aware of what the definition of hypocrisy is.
And, once again, I KNOW I am not a hypocrite.

The easiest way for anyone not to have to worry about such a thing is by not 'pretending to have virtues' which one does not have!

But even so, I don't pretend anything. & I would be the last one to say I had any sort of high quality above anyone else - aside from being honest. That I will say, & don't mind saying, & sometimes must say, but it is true. I don't purposely say false things or portray untrue circumstances. It's not necessarily something special, IMO - I find, for the most part, human beings are not intentionally deceitful in most things. However, I do know that we are all very good at deceiving ourselves; simply because I was brought to that realization in my own life in some not-so-pleasant personal experiences. Only by causing some real heartache for myself, because of this, did the understanding hit home & sink in, for me, personally. & still, if not for someone close to me who cared enough to tell me the truth even though it hurt me terribly to hear...I wouldn't have known. It wasn't pleasant, but it was totally a positive thing to learn that. & so while I'm not immune to it, I am wary of it & diligent toward making sure I don't get to doing it, again. But even then, & before that lesson, I was never purposefully dishonest.

And I certainly wouldn't be so adamant & vehement about the things I say to other people, such as yourself, & Saint4God, & dbrandt, if I wasn't SURE beyond the shadow of a doubt that what I say is both God-given & TRUE & found in the bible, even (although none of you are willing to prove it either way, except to the extent of keeping yourself enmeshed in your already established ideas about what the bible says) I sure wouldn't be such a b*#%h all the time, with my constant & repetitive, & often seemingly harsh, words!!

I didn't come to these conclusions on my own steam--in fact, I was terribly dismayed & also blown away when I began to understand these things...it is true that I've never been a part of the christian religion, but that was because it didn't feel right for me--I had Christ without the '-ianity' tacked on His title...but I did get my foundation & start in the christian religion & truly never had a bad or embittering experience therein, at all! I have always been the sort of person that desires to be left alone & by the same token I treated others in the same fashion as I wished to be treated...basically a 'live & let live' kind of person. Someone who never debated religion or politics with ANYONE & certainly not someone who would openly tell other people that their approach to God was contradictory to what He laid out for us all.

I still HATE having to be thought of as someone who might disdain or attack another person, for any reason--especially differing beliefs, etc... I KNOW you guys love GOD! If I didn't know that I wouldn't worry about what you followed or believed or thought was true--and I only know who God is really concerned about by taking note of those He won't let me forget about, or leave alone to their own convictions...

Such as dbrandt & Saint4God, & oftentimes, more & more, Great Tech, too.

And there are others, elsewhere, both on the net & off...

And God put His love for others into my heart, to make such a task easier to bear...because I DO CARE about christians, every last one of them...I don't judge any christian based on my understandings, because I also understand the reason for the deception/delusion...and I know, that despite my own lack of participation in that religion due to my own decisions....I know that I had absolutely no clue, whatsoever, at all, either!

I would have never ever, in a million years, guessed what God was doing, & how, & why! It is beyond the means of the human imagination, I guarantee--and when God hides something from our human perception...it may be something totally out in the open & right under our noses, but until He is ready for us to SEE it, we will not see it, nor even suspect it!

He is that powerful!!

at least try to shut me up on the subject!!!

No.

You are entitled to your beliefs. If you feel that strongly about your belief, then you should stick too it.

No one knows 100% what is true and what is not. Including you. Including me, etc. That is where faith comes in.

I am a Christian. I believe that Jesus was the son of God. I call myself a Christian, because that is the word that summerizes my belief. That is all that word means. By saying I am a Christian, I am saying I believe that Jesus was the son of God.

Who and what do you think Jesus is queenannie?

I believe that he is indeed the son of God. You say you believe different, yet you have not stated exactly what that is (maybe I missed it). Either way, please share. Just dont try to change my beliefs. I feel just as strongly about mine as you do yours.





[edit on 9-8-2006 by mrsdudara]

Interesting title to the thread...How will he come?

Why not 'how will she come'?

or

When will it come?

I suggest we could use any of the above.
I believe the messiah represents 'geo-physical earth changes', however this was sold as an Apocalypse and an Armageddeon, thus filling the flock with a sense of impending doom, an easier herd for the sheppards to manage.

I suggest we should ask ourselves 'when will it happen?'
Our gravest battles are always with Mother Nature.
Alpha beta decay are the sands running through your hourglass.

namaste

Raphael

What he/she/it is IS LOVE and nothing more and nothing less.... Please get that through your heads. The love that is coming.. is the love of ALL, and by ALL I mean ALL... We have until recently had love for just US and who we *think* deserves it... please
Stop looking... he/she/it is already here.. has been for the past 2-5 years (Has been forever but.. although, not known ... we just haven't recognized it..) it has nothing to do with the clouds(coming from the west etc..).. the clouds are the ignorance... just like lillies grow from the filthiest much...
Christ has returned.. and he's in me, and many many others..
Why rely on a person? ..... he never wanted you too.. can't you read, or listen?
DO NOT create a religeon after me.. He destroyed the temple.. (buildings) and rose up the spirit body... the body is the temple. These are all well known 'lessons'
Now apply them to his teachings..
You know, he wasn't the LAST teacher.. he said that himself.. that he would be with us until the next... We just disregard them.. thru love I am trying to make people aware of themselves.. it is SOOO difficult, because they keep refering to something outside of themselves. It isn't like these lessons or laws must be learnt.. They are written on our hearts.. they are the connection to God.. but we disregard that inner heart..... I'm going to get flamed by lots of people because its all dogmatic, but the deep pang of sorrow that afflicts me is how so many people disregard the love... on every level.
I am here now, to tell you... this world you live in, is your own. It is not run by Bush, or other political powers or law enforcement.. they exist in your world.. ever try to wonder why your conciousness is in YOUR body?... theres a good reason.. because it is the bubble you have created yourself. We all live in these 'bubbles' (figuritivly speaking) and everytime we interact, we add or subtract from our very own bubbles, as well as add or subtract from others bubbles..
A bubble is the best way to describe it because a neural-net appears in our mind as a fishing net(our perception of a 'net'), which is a bad example... the bubble holds things, but the bubble can be divided... equally... the task is to arrange the bubble where one side is clean or ... empty.. and everything under your reason on the other side... You understand we cannot give reason for everything in this place.. we simply cannot, but our bubble is organised unorderly, all over... as if we have reason for it all... but we do not.. the idea is to create a place within your bubble where you can do, and be done to without reward... reward is reason... reward is the reason for our actions.. but it is not a good one... I could go on and on until this thread is a book, and perhaps if I did, I could organise my statements a little less chaotic and perhaps put it in chapters where I could cover one thing at a time and get it fully understood before I move on... but I would rather have questions not comments on my statements because I may not be highly understood in this regard.

[edit on 9/8/06 by dnero6911]

Originally posted by mrsdudara

at least try to shut me up on the subject!!!

No.

You are entitled to your beliefs. If you feel that strongly about your belief, then you should stick too it.

True enough.

Please understand, though--it's not so much 'my beliefs' that I'm speaking so vehemently about--it depends wholly on my trust in God to not lead me astray or put me up to something foolish. But if it weren't for that, I'd never have to get into any discussion about my own personal stance on being a nominal christian, or not, since it isn't anything that would come up if I didn't come to the internet and interact with christians. I'm just not one to get into things like that in normal everyday life.

And I'd rather not get into it, in any situation...it's not something I consider of any relevance regarding what I say...I'm not speaking for me or in my own name, but in God's. I don't need to call myself a certain thing to be speaking with sincerity or in His name.

No one knows 100% what is true and what is not. Including you. Including me, etc. That is where faith comes in.

Exactly. But I just don't get into things I can't be sure of; that is, I don't talk about anything on which I'd be taking a risky stance in any degree. What I do say, I know is the truth. Because I trust God and He gave me these truths. I sure didn't make them up, that's for sure. I'd have come up with something different--something less offensive and inflammatory, no doubt. But God speaks those soothing and calming things directly to our hearts, individually. The stuff that's not so soothing, even rather upsetting, that's the stuff He delivers through His servants. That's why no one ever likes them - good thing there is no picking up of stones on the internet, or I'd have been injured by now, no doubt!!!

I am a Christian. I believe that Jesus was the son of God. I call myself a Christian, because that is the word that summerizes my belief. That is all that word means. By saying I am a Christian, I am saying I believe that Jesus was the son of God.

Who and what do you think Jesus is queenannie?

The same exact thing you do.

Exactly the same, from the words you posted right here and now. I believe He was the only begotten of God the Father and I also believe He was the first-born of the dead, through His resurrection; and I believe He is now the administer over all things, being truly God's 'right hand man.'

I believe that he is indeed the son of God. You say you believe different, yet you have not stated exactly what that is (maybe I missed it). Either way, please share. Just dont try to change my beliefs. I feel just as strongly about mine as you do yours.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I said I believed differently than Him being the Son of God. I have never said anything to that effect, since I have never felt any conviction different than the one I do now, which is the same as you in regard to Him - from what you've said in this thread, anyway.

As far as changing anyone's beliefs, I would never even be so foolish as to think it were possible, much less feel I had any right to make efforts toward that, in any fashion. God is in charge of the convictions in our heart. What I say can only serve one purpose for anyone (if it affects them at all, that is) and that is searching in their heart in the presence of God about whether or not the things I say have any validity at all.

That's all He wants: sincere seeking of Him and Him alone. Without a preacher or a minister or a priest or a pope. He does not want anyone's communication to come to Him outside of His Son - or the Holy Spirit. He wants absolute trust in Him and no man of any name, reputation, or education.... He doesn't want to have His truth sought for verification through the channels of other people.

I don't want anyone to think along the same lines I do--all I sincerely pray for and work in the hopes of--is that my words might shake someone up, anyone at all; and just enough to look a little harder into their bibles and question either me or their chosen authority on God (meaning not God but another man of some sort, as most people listen to others when trying to discern whether something is true about God or not...not all do, but the majority seem to...that is, in my 'assigned audience') or their established mainstream doctrines...I just want someone to feel inspired to question things a little bit. God certainly doesn't mind such inquiry--He desires it! Because only through digging will we find the treasure He buried just for each of us who will dig!!! Once someone truly tunes into Him, He does all the rest! All of it! Probably you know this...

Most people these days, at least as far as mainstream christian leaders, etc...--they expect their congregation or their 'flock' to heed their words and follow their lead. Or
at least that's what it seems like to me. Because all of the predominant ideas, theologies, and doctrines are coming from somewhere else besides God's direct instruction. When God leads the soul in its education, it is literally a transforming experience and if all souls who claim transformation/conversion by the Spirit truly were converted by the law of God, then the world would be a much much different place. I know my little sphere is totally different since He's taken me in hand...so I know there is not the same going on in the way everyone believes, otherwise the proof would be undeniable and there truly wouldn't be any division or strife in any gathering of believers.

And I really don't think there would be any war at all, if 33% percent of the world (per some statistics I looked up the other day for another purpose) were truly converted by Christ's mind, that is. That's not a majority, but it is way more than enough if they had the powerful love of God's Son truly governing their actions as well as their every thought!

Originally posted by Kachina
Interesting title to the thread...How will he come?

Why not 'how will she come'?

As if the world would accept the second coming of God's offspring being the 'second Eve' - speaking in the consideration that Yehoshua was said to have been the 'second' Adam it seems totally congruent - and even makes a whole lot of sense, in many ways

or

When will it come?

Personally, for me, that's a hard one to reconcile in my mind...I see all of creation as alive in some way...there are no true 'its' in my mind, for even Love is a force and an energy - the same as we all are. Of course, such a thing as Love is totally pure and therefore of such concentration it would seem to need an initial carbon - based conveyance to get the point across. We already had one visit and still aren't close to that place He was....what would it take?

Our gravest battles are always with Mother Nature.

In that case, I say we ought to quit fighting her and honor her as our Mother....she is, after all...she is the idea that Eve was the first metaphysical symbol of...the first living manifestation of life and its symbolic magnitude on this planet was truly the 'first Eve.'

Alpha beta decay are the sands running through your hourglass.

Not me. I broke mine on purpose. No watches and no hourglasses. Time doesn't need my marking of its progress in order to continue...

Originally posted by thesneakiod
God is not a time traveller, he/she is meant to have created the universe

............
Its just just a typical response by a member of the god squad, to try
and justify the existence of a fictional character.

This is what doesn't make sense; a person who defines God as fiction, but then has definitions for what God is and what he is not.

That would be like me saying the sky is not real, but it is blue and sometimes has clouds within it. Hmmmm. What a wonderful philosophy - speak as if I don't believe something and then go about my business talking full of knowledge about something I claim is "fiction". I'll have to try that one and report back to you on how that works.

Originally posted by ben91069

Originally posted by thesneakiod
God is not a time traveller, he/she is meant to have created the universe

............
Its just just a typical response by a member of the god squad, to try
and justify the existence of a fictional character.

This is what doesn't make sense; a person who defines God as fiction, but then has definitions for what God is and what he is not.

That would be like me saying the sky is not real, but it is blue and sometimes has clouds within it. Hmmmm. What a wonderful philosophy - speak as if I don't believe something and then go about my business talking full of knowledge about something I claim is "fiction". I'll have to try that one and report back to you on how that works.

Erm.. i did say' meant' to have created the universe, read and understand its not hard.


All i was stating was about peoples perception of god not mine. And as far as i
heard he/she/it is not famous for time travelling.

Get off your high horse, you're getting a nose bleed.

As you've requested from another thread, I'm providing a response.

Originally posted by queenannie38
God doesn't care what I call myself. It is His call that matters.

Neither of us is disputing that what is in the heart is what matters.

Originally posted by queenannie38
I am. As opposed to 'fact.'

Have fun with opinion then. I'm more interested in the facts.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Who said I disdain you? I do not; nor have I ever said I do. I don't 'disdain' anyone. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't love you. I love everyone, regardless of who they are, what they call themselves, or even how they treat me! I can't help it. It isn't my power that gives me that love, so I don't fight it.

You words say one thing and your actions portray another. From insult to judgement, love is exactly what appears to be lacking.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Declare anything you want, Saint4God. That's between you and God, and I'm not delving into your personal beliefs, convictions, or declarations. You seem to want to take this there, but I refuse.

Which is why I didn't respond to this thread in the first place. But, on the other thread, YOU wanted me to respond. Which is it queen?

Originally posted by queenannie38
You asked me why this and why that, remember?

Indeed I did. That's how it works. You make a statement that doesn't seem to make sense and I question it.

Originally posted by queenannie38
I didn't ask you, nor did I express any criticism toward you, personally.

I like how you can pretend that by calling a group of people names, that it does not effect them. If I were to say, "All (insert religious or ethnic group here) are the devil!" then I'd be strung up by my heels...and rightly so.

Originally posted by queenannie38
And now you want to pick apart my honest answers. So be it. But don't make this personally about me judging you, as an individual, because it is not.

Again with the cavaet "as an individual" as if it makes blanket insults okay.

Originally posted by queenannie38
It never has been nor will it turn into that. Nor is it because of you that I hold my convictions.

I agree it has more to do with an "us" more than a "you", though here's a shocker - Within an "us" is a group of "you"s.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Don't you think I know that? However, as I said: I'm not criticizing you personally

Here we go again . See above.

Originally posted by queenannie38
or pointing things out for you to heed.

Lemme guess. Not "me" in particular, but the group of us.

Originally posted by queenannie38
I am speaking for myself, and myself alone.

This is what concerns me. I hope then you can speak for Him and with Him always.

Originally posted by queenannie38
With the discernment that God granted me for that purpose.

Knowing the difference between right and wrong is a LOT different than other telling people what they do and do not believe...or what they're "type" is as you have on our parallel thread...or assuming they've not read a Word of what they believe...or implying they're consorting with Belial...

Originally posted by queenannie38
I assure you, I have a whole stack of bibles and a few more on my computer...

Not sure if this is a request for brownie points or what.

Originally posted by queenannie38
often I don't require them for reference since much has been committed to my memory just because of repetitious reading and constant studying. You've already flagged that verse for me, and I duly noted it. Thank you again.

Sure thing. Hope it is put into practice someday.

Originally posted by queenannie38
You seem to feel I have a 'plank in my eye.' I will tell you that I have had plenty of planks in my eye. Probably enough to build a house or maybe a dozen. Over the course of time and through many experiences both in the world and in the Spirit, God has been removing these planks from eyes--or scales, as it were. And yet still, daily - several times a day, I do a 'plank check.' And I know I am not a hypocrite, and never have been.

Let me get this right. Are you saying you NEVER have said something and done another? Or, said you believed something when in your heart you did not?

Originally posted by queenannie38
I have been blind, true enough - but blindness is not hypocrisy. But, thank the LORD God, I am not blind, anymore, either. When I was blind, I did not judge others. I still do not judge the individual.

When you judge a group, you judge each individual within it. Please take a moment to consider this point.

Originally posted by queenannie38
I am judging the institution of christianity,

To which you have no right nor authority to do so.

Originally posted by queenannie38
and not in the sense of 'giving a verdict,'

You are, you just have no means of enacting punishment.

Originally posted by queenannie38
but rather I am discerning truth from fiction

No you're not. Please check your mechanism for discerning.

Originally posted by queenannie38
- with the help of my LORD God.

God shows me differently. Clearly one of us is out of alignment being that God is not inconsistent.

Originally posted by queenannie38
I trust Him implicitly, exclusively, and completely - in all things.

Is that how God tells us to act in all things? Check the Book. I can help if you like

A definition for consideration:

Main Entry: 1ex·clu·sive
Pronunciation: iks-'klü-siv, -ziv
Function: adjective
1 a : excluding or having power to exclude b : limiting or limited to possession, control, or use by a single individual or group
2 a : excluding others from participation b : snobbishly aloof

Originally posted by queenannie38
Therefore I am not hesitant to act on the understandings He gives me. If I did not trust Him, He would not help me. He does not allow me to stray and He does not purposely lead me astray; again, because I trust Him wholeheartedly. I haven't always - but I do now, and will continue to do so until He lets me come home.

See you there. Cheers.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Yes. I have stood before that judgment seat. I know you probably can't comprehend what I am saying,

...because I'm a retard

Originally posted by queenannie38
with that. Nevertheless, I have stood before Him and He has judged me.

And therefore you're absolutely without error, sin, etc. Hm?

Originally posted by queenannie38
Besides that, as I said above, I am judging no man, but rather discerning certain things about an institution and its doctrines and practices. Please stop taking it personal, because I am not directing it at you.

Carpet bombing.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Then, why are you judging me or questioning me about why I do not call myself a christian or why I quote the bible?

Judging, no. Questioning what you're saying? Absolutely. And, you know why as you've demonstrated on the parallel thread. I can clarify if you like.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Do you somehow feel you are an authority over me?

Not at all.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Do you feel you are doing God's work in interrogating me?

I believe we have the directive to not let a sister/brother stumble and to "test everything". Both of these are Biblical principles as I'm sure you're already aware.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Perhaps you feel I am 'lost' and you are 'found?'

I'll be candid. I've heard you say some excellent things when you quote the Bible. Also, I've heard you quote things that seem to be motivated to gaining some kind of end or goal that does not appear to be Biblical. I believe if you say you trust in Jesus Christ as the redeemer of sins who now sits next to God that you and I will be in the same heaven for eternity (based on God's Word). I'd like to get a head start in finding an accordance. If your mission is the same as mine (which is in Matthew 28:19) then we need to get right and get to work instead of creating discord. I don't like to step into the ring, but if it means preventing further harm later on, I'm game.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Whatever your reasons or rationale, please direct it elsewhere.

I do as you request here on this thread and all others so long as there's a cessation of hostilities towards those who confess with their mouths that "Jesus is Lord!". Agreed?

[edit on 11-8-2006 by saint4God]

Jesus has not reason to come back...what does he have to say?
Gentle Jesus who never did anything to anyone and opposed all violence is to come back and kick a**. I know, I know...quite a contradiction, but many people swallow it. Thats fine, their choice.

Jesus aint coming back...if so, tell him to visit me.

Peace

dalen