how will he come?

DO NOT BELIEVE WHEN SOMEONE SAYS ITS A SPIRITUAL SECOND COMING. The bible tells us how Jesus will come back.


Acts 1:11 (Whole Chapter)
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Jesus second coming will be literal, and as he went up into heaven being carried away by angels, so too will Jesus Second Coming.

Anyone who tells you Jesus is coming secretly is lieing to you. Bible say every eye will see Him, and that he will come with a loud trump.

I believe Christ will come again after the 7 last plagues, and everyone, including saved christians will live through it til the very end, similar to the way the JEws had to endure the affects of the plagues of Egypt.

The prominent Reformers of the Reformation didn't believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, and this NEW POPULAR Doctrine made into a TV MOVIE with books will ultimately not get you ready for the coming tribulation that will occur to ALL PEOPLE, even the saved.

God saved the Israelites through the Red Sea, God saved Shadrach and company through the fiery furnace, God saved Daniel through the Lion's Den, so too will God save his final remnant people THROUGH the Last tribulation on earth, and not from it (secret rapture).

edit: I'd also like to add in that in the New Testament, the Disciples wondered if Jesus was real or not, and Jesus told them to touch him to make sure that it wasn't some kind of spirit or anything, thus showing that when Christ was lifted to heaven it was really him, and not his spirit, so too when Christ will come again. Praise the Lord for revealing to us the truth in his WORD!

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to me jesus is a alien everything points to him being an alien probaly a nordic makes sense to me

First I'd like to point out ... You have voted queenannie38 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Very very well put annie. You truely are an enlightened soul. I can tell you have put a lot of effort and thought into these matters and it has paid off. You hit the proverbial nail on the head. Kudos! When the time does come, when the Christ does make ITS return, you will be one of the guides helping to clear up all the confusion. Your light shines very bright among the grey clouds, and you are a beacon of truth that many around you will witness. I wish I could hug you right now

Originally posted by Shortness
DO NOT BELIEVE WHEN SOMEONE SAYS ITS A SPIRITUAL SECOND COMING. The bible tells us how Jesus will come back.

No need to shout. But sorry to tell you, your Bible is wrong the way you interpret it, or how it was interpreted for you. I do not blame you for falling for this deception, but when HE returns you will see the error of your beliefs. I know it hurts your pride to think you may be wrong, but all will be forgiven when your spirit is truely born again. When the veil is lifted, all will become clear, and if not, there will be saints like queenannie38 to help with the shock many souls will experience.

Namasté,

StickyG

First there will be chaos. More than what most have ever been through. It will be terrifing to many. Many will loose faith, thinking they have been forsaken. Durring this time, have faith. He is waiting for the last one to make his choice. He does not want to leave even one child behind. Remember that though these times are tough, it is worth it to wait for even one soul. Then when the time has come, you will see an unmistakable sign in the sky. Then he will come in his pure non materialistic form. Pure energy...pure soul. Everyone will know it is him. There will be no doubt. His children, those who did not loose faith, their souls will be collected, and sent to safety. This will be a bit scarey at first for littleones who do not understand. So during this time, be with them. Hold them and comfort them. After we are sent to safety, he will "fix" the world. After it is "good" again, he will return us, and it will be good.

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Originally posted by StickyG
First I'd like to point out ... You have voted queenannie38 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Very very well put annie. You truely are an enlightened soul. I can tell you have put a lot of effort and thought into these matters and it has paid off. You hit the proverbial nail on the head. Kudos! When the time does come, when the Christ does make ITS return, you will be one of the guides helping to clear up all the confusion. Your light shines very bright among the grey clouds, and you are a beacon of truth that many around you will witness. I wish I could hug you right now

Originally posted by Shortness
DO NOT BELIEVE WHEN SOMEONE SAYS ITS A SPIRITUAL SECOND COMING. The bible tells us how Jesus will come back.

No need to shout. But sorry to tell you, your Bible is wrong the way you interpret it, or how it was interpreted for you. I do not blame you for falling for this deception, but when HE returns you will see the error of your beliefs. I know it hurts your pride to think you may be wrong, but all will be forgiven when your spirit is truely born again. When the veil is lifted, all will become clear, and if not, there will be saints like queenannie38 to help with the shock many souls will experience.

Namasté,

StickyG

And where do you base your beliefs from? You say i'm wrong without any biblical evidence? And why is it that when caps are on its considered shouting? No one is shouting, i thought people use caps for emphasis and so that it'll be easier on the eyes when reading it.

You spiritualists who believe in dead saints coming to you through seances and stuff can talk all you want, but to the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20

If the Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path, i suggest you use it instead of saying "You're wrong"

Revelation 1:7 (Whole Chapter)
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Obviously its spiritual clouds and in our spiritual state the unsaved shall wail and lament over the fact that they denied Jesus. /sarcasm

Originally posted by mrsdudara
He is waiting for the last one to make his choice. He does not want to leave even one child behind. Remember that though these times are tough, it is worth it to wait for even one soul.

Especially since it isn't our decision to wait or not! Nor 'theirs' (whomever you mean)--no man can come to Christ except the Father draw him....

Then he will come in his pure non materialistic form.

Do you mean non-material? Because one doesn't have to be immaterial to be non materialistic (although it is rare, it is possible and has been done).

Pure energy...pure soul. Everyone will know it is him. There will be no doubt.

I don't see how everyone will know--without doubt--for the most part, we can't even see pure energy in any form! Or 'pure soul.' This isn't consistent, and it's misleading.

His children, those who did not loose faith, their souls will be collected, and sent to safety. This will be a bit scarey at first for littleones who do not understand.

I read your posts when I come across them, and I know you are truly a precious and sweet soul--so I have to ask you--do you really think, considering the concern you have in your heart which is obviously sincere--that God would be less compassionate than you and scare little ones?

So during this time, be with them. Hold them and comfort them. After we are sent to safety, he will "fix" the world. After it is "good" again, he will return us, and it will be good.

I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. (John 17:15)

You're setting yourself, and possibly others, for a big let-down. God isn't going to take you somewhere else and then 'make it all better' before He drops you back down ever so gently on terra firma--if He does, it will be because something causes your death and when you return, you will be a baby--born new just like you were this time around.

And surely you don't expect that He's going to temporarily remove you and leave your babies (and/or loved ones) with strangers whom you hope will comfort them and hold them in your absence? Does that truly make sense, in your heart of hearts?

Wouldn't your heart break beyond repair on the way out of here? Savior's arms around you, or not? Think about it, truly think about it.

We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. (1 John 3:14-18)

Originally posted by StickyG
First I'd like to point out ... You have voted queenannie38 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Thanks for the WATS (vote) StickyG!

As far as enlightened or a saint--you are too kind--I'm just a person like the rest of us--but I do love the rest and myself, too--a miracle made possible because He's given me a new pair of 'rose-of-sharon glasses' and a mended heart.

We are all God's beloveds--or else we wouldn't even exist.

And may His peace be ever with you--I hope you continue with the message you speak--every voice helps, because you are right--it will not be as anyone expects it to be and that will be the hardest part of the whole thing. Disappointed carnal expectations--I've had my own to work through, so I know...

Originally posted by Shortness
And why is it that when caps are on its considered shouting? No one is shouting, i thought people use caps for emphasis and so that it'll be easier on the eyes when reading it.

BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT FEELS TO THE READER!

I only did that because that's how I realized, for myself, just why it is considered shouting. It is, don't you think?

It's just not courteous to emphasize more than one or two (at the most) word in a row, using all caps. Bold is usually softer but still does the trick-especially for a sentence or two.

You spiritualists who believe in dead saints coming to you through seances and stuff can talk all you want, but to the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20

Who said that's the only alternative? That is a very narrow view and also an assumption bordering on accusation.

If the Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path, i suggest you use it instead of saying "You're wrong"

I use it as if it were glued to my hand like a sword, and I'm saying, 'you're wrong.' I'm not saying it won't be, in part, a material manifestation--but the spiritual aspect is more important than the physical.

Revelation 1:7 (Whole Chapter)
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Obviously its spiritual clouds and in our spiritual state the unsaved shall wail and lament over the fact that they denied Jesus. /sarcasm

'Clouds' represent obscurity--witnesses--something hidden then revealed. Not spiritual clouds--but neither are they cumulus or cirrus clouds!

You ought to study, with a Strong's annotated text and accompanied by the concordance of the same name, the last chapter of Luke and any other chapters which talk about His 'leaving' and 'return.' The idea of Him coming back down, physically from the sky, touching His feet on the 'Mount of Olives' is supported only in the modern English texts--which reflect more the theology of the translators rather than the truth that was written by the authors.
....and that certain Mountain, BTW, is not the same Olivet 'Mt of Olives' that was written about originally--the authors were speaking of the 'The Mountain of the LORD' which was known as 'the Mountain of Olives,' but is not a hill outside Jerusalem--it's farther north--and it's the place of Elijah and the 'still small voice.'

Constantine's mother Helena renamed most of Jerusalem and immediate vicinity, according to her own ideas, and in the interest of her's son's interest in claiming Jerusalem for 'christianity' (read: the commonwealth and Empire of Rome). But the OT makes it clear where the fertile valley and which is the prime soil is for olives, grapevines, and all manner of flora.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Especially since it isn't our decision to wait or not! Nor 'theirs' (whomever you mean)--no man can come to Christ except the Father draw him....

I think you missunderstood me on that point. Only our father decides the time. What my point was, have paitence in the troubled times, He has a reason for waiting.

Do you mean non-material? Because one doesn't have to be immaterial to be non materialistic (although it is rare, it is possible and has been done).

I mean, he will not have bodies like ours.

I don't see how everyone will know--without doubt--for the most part, we can't even see pure energy in any form! Or 'pure soul.' This isn't consistent, and it's misleading.

you will see him. Remember how after his death, before he rose, he walked with Mary for a while before he showed himself to her. He can and will appear in a way that we all can see. As for everyone knowing, without doubt, I think of it like pregnancy. In the last days of being pregnant, there is a lot of "is this it?", "I think this is it", but when the child decides to come, there is no question at all. Only fear. A different kind of fear. The not knowing what will happen next, in this new life you are about to lead.

I read your posts when I come across them, and I know you are truly a precious and sweet soul--so I have to ask you--do you really think, considering the concern you have in your heart which is obviously sincere--that God would be less compassionate than you and scare little ones?

First of all, that was a very nasty assumption to make. Second of all, it is not our father who will be scaring them.

As for the last bit, I never said he would take us out of this world to keep us safe. On the other hand, Im not saying he wouldnt either. Who am I to question his ways, what he is capable of doing, or why?

You say the spiritual aspect is more important than the spiritual aspect of Christ return, can you please provide verses and (here's the important part) put them into context with the 2nd Coming. That should be easy if you use the Word like it was glued to the back of your hand, because i have yet to see you provide one bible quote pertaining to the subject.

And as narrow as it is to believe that I should use the bible and the bible only, you can take it up with people like Martin Luther, because surely i'm not the only one who thinks a simple "thus saith The Lord" is sufficient.

Also, I also agree that the text that says Christ will come in the clouds meant clouds as we know it. I believe that the clouds will be the angels that will be with Jesus who also are witnesses to the things that transpire here on earth.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:


edit: And i apologize for the caps, and will refrain from using all caps in a sentence to not aggravate anyone into thinking i'm shouting at them.

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Originally posted by Shortness
You say the spiritual aspect is more important than the spiritual aspect of Christ return, can you please provide verses and (here's the important part) put them into context with the 2nd Coming.

Why do you want verses for this, then say otherwise (below) after making the request?

And as narrow as it is to believe that I should use the bible and the bible only, you can take it up with people like Martin Luther, because surely i'm not the only one who thinks a simple "thus saith The Lord" is sufficient.

I didn't say I believed you should use the bible and the bible only--that's entirely your personal choice and none of mine. However, it was you who made this statement:

If the Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path, i suggest you use it instead of saying "You're wrong"

Although this wasn't addressed specifically to me, I still answered in the context of the 'Word.' My suggestion regarding Strong's was just a suggestion--nothing more.

because i have yet to see you provide one bible quote pertaining to the subject.

Surely you jest! How about just a simple 'thus saith the LORD?'

You have contradicted yourself at least twice in regard to whether or not the scripture was something you considered viable to your point of view in this discussion, as well as that of others. I really don't have the time or the desire to circle around and around some bible bush playing musical lamplight...especially when I can tell it's not about serious discussion, for you--if it were, you would be more consistent in your comments.

Don't take that personally, but please understand where I'm coming from.

Also, I also agree that the text that says Christ will come in the clouds meant clouds as we know it.

I have no problem with that--I wasn't saying you had to agree with anything I said--and I didn't expect that you would.

Originally posted by mrsdudara

Originally posted by queenannie38
Especially since it isn't our decision to wait or not! Nor 'theirs' (whomever you mean)--no man can come to Christ except the Father draw him....

I think you missunderstood me on that point. Only our father decides the time. What my point was, have paitence in the troubled times, He has a reason for waiting.

It looks like I did misunderstand! I'm sorry.

Do you mean non-material? Because one doesn't have to be immaterial to be non materialistic (although it is rare, it is possible and has been done).

I mean, he will not have bodies like ours.

Why do you say that? It is written otherwise. 1 John 3:2

you will see him. Remember how after his death, before he rose, he walked with Mary for a while before he showed himself to her. He can and will appear in a way that we all can see.

I'm still not following you---like an apparition? Or what?

I read your posts when I come across them, and I know you are truly a precious and sweet soul--so I have to ask you--do you really think, considering the concern you have in your heart which is obviously sincere--that God would be less compassionate than you and scare little ones?

First of all, that was a very nasty assumption to make. Second of all, it is not our father who will be scaring them.

What is a 'very nasty assumption?' That you are precious and sweet in your soul? Are you hiding a Dr Jekyll side or something?

If it isn't God scaring the little ones, who is? God's calling the shots--all effects are ultimately His responsibility, no?

As for the last bit, I never said he would take us out of this world to keep us safe. On the other hand, Im not saying he wouldnt either. Who am I to question his ways, what he is capable of doing, or why?

That's why we have a book to consult, in case of uncertainty and such. You said this, 'After we are sent to safety, he will "fix" the world. After it is "good" again, he will return us, and it will be good.' It seemed to me that you were saying this...in a pretty straightforward fashion, too.

I'm just going on your statements, at face-value, so if I'm misunderstanding more than what I've already realized I had processed inaccurately, please fill me in!

How do we know that he is not already here walking amongst us already ? You might of already walked past him ..just a thought

here i think how he ll come to us..
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Originally posted by queenannie38
Why do you say that? It is written otherwise. 1 John 3:2

That does not suggest otherwise. We were created in our Fathers image meaning similar not exactly the same. Our bodies are not capable of immortality. Our bodies are not pure . In that cp. and vr., it explaines how he will be like us.
he is pure

I'm still not following you---like an apparition? Or what?

Take a look at Luke 24:13 and on, about the road to Emmaus. "Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him " now afterwards, when these ladies insisted he come to their house for dinner, but when he blessed their food.. "then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight."

What is a 'very nasty assumption?' That you are precious and sweet in your soul?

Comming to the assumption that I thought myself more compassionate than our Father.

If it isn't God scaring the little ones, who is? God's calling the shots--all effects are ultimately His responsibility, no?

NO. WE have free will. Who will scare the little ones?? We will. It is our responsibility to be good and make the best choices. How many grown ups in this world make "good" choices...make right choices? Our father does not want children to suffer. It is the people in this world who make them suffer. Everyone is to blame. If the children are scared it is purely because of the actions of Adults. That is why I incourage people to be compassionate to the little ones, and by that, I dont mean just your littleones.

Psalm 91
1 & 2 He who dwels in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will Ssay of the Lord, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust."

9-12 If you make the Most High your dwelling - even the Lord who is my refuge - then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent. For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways; they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

14 "Because he loves me," says the Lord, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

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Originally posted by mrsdudara
That does not suggest otherwise. We were created in our Fathers image meaning similar not exactly the same. Our bodies are not capable of immortality. Our bodies are not pure . In that cp. and vr., it explaines how he will be like us.
he is pure

Yes--so we must be pure. But that means not that He is going to become like us (He did that already) but that we will be like Him and that's how we will see Him--as He is.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:2)

I don't know what this means, exactly--I just know that it is somehow saying that there will be no difference between us and Him. Man and God will appear the same?
In what form? Not all flesh, not all spirit--but it will be the same on both sides.

He already came down to give us a hand up--taking on mortality and defeating it. But yet even when He was amongst us, few recognized Him truly, if at all--maybe only Mary Magdalene truly knew Him on earth...

And 2000 years have gone by, and we seem to be the same sort of humanity as we were when He left, but inside is surely where the difference lies.

Being made in God's 'image,' as I understand it, is being a reflection of His life and life force--and when a man is considered the 'express image' of God, then surely that is the only way we'd ever be able to see God--as a man in whom God dwelt. Because God the FATHER is pure spirit and has never been seen by anyone--known by the Son, but never seen by the Son, even. But the Son is in Him (in His Spiritual will/mind/purpose/energy) and He is in the Son (literally within).

But look at John 10:30-38. The Pharisees felt Yehoshua was blaspheming, making Himself into God--but really God had manifested Himself in a man--yet they didn't recognize this because they already had too much attachment to their preconceived ideas of what to expect from God!

Take a look at Luke 24:13 and on, about the road to Emmaus. "Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him " now afterwards, when these ladies insisted he come to their house for dinner, but when he blessed their food.. "then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight."

Good one. But same thing as I mentioned above--what 'kept' these from recognizing Him? Surely if He had the same body, they would have known...
But then 'their eyes were opened' and they recognized Him. Nothing about 'saw' Him as who He was, but recognized Him. The idea of having one's eye's opened can be either literal or figurative--in the latter being that it was the inner eye in question--which sees beyond skin toward spiritual identity.

What is a 'very nasty assumption?' That you are precious and sweet in your soul?

Comming to the assumption that I thought myself more compassionate than our Father.

Oh, no--that's not what I meant at all! I meant it like this (using myself this time to avoid more misunderstandings): my love is very imperfect--God gives me the help needed to be more like Him--my love being perfected by Him...but even at that--my best thought is still very dull compared to His 'worst' thought--so therefore whatever we would do, in our power, to make something better for another--God will do even more so. And what I was trying to convey is that sometimes we forget that, when thinking about what God might or might not do, that's all. I'm sorry if I offended you because I sure didn't mean to say anything against you or your thoughts of yourself or God, at all.

If it isn't God scaring the little ones, who is? God's calling the shots--all effects are ultimately His responsibility, no?

NO. WE have free will. Who will scare the little ones?? We will. It is our responsibility to be good and make the best choices. How many grown ups in this world make "good" choices...make right choices? Our father does not want children to suffer. It is the people in this world who make them suffer.

Yes, I do know this to be true... The worst and catastrophic mistake I personally ever made, I made out of a sincere motivation to do the 'right' thing for the people I truly love...and hurt us all in my efforts--most of all myself! So I totally agree with you on that.

But we're talking about God's return into the affairs of man on a globally manifested basis! Surely at that moment, all of our ideas of responsibility (which are error--we are not responsible for the world en masse, but are definitely accountable to Him for our every deed, as individuals) will turn to mist...and that's the whole concept of the judgment which then takes place--accountability is evaluated for each and things are put back in order. But thinking that we are responsible, as humans, is taking on ourselves the things of God--this is His world--we were taking care of it, but it is not ours. That is the end of all little one's grief!!

After all, He said, 'Fear not, only believe.'

Our free will is only free up to the last hold-out which is submission to His will. We have a very wide latitude in which we have the 'opportunity to choose' but the truth is--man doesn't yet truly have all the 'facts' which would qualify it as a legitimately informed decision. When all the 'facts' manifest and God's immeasurable loving-kindness is revealed--everyone's 'choice' will be to give in with a sigh of relief--because they will see He had a wonderful plan for all of us--all along! That was the second part of the lesson I gained from my tragic screw up that I mentioned above.

Everyone is to blame. If the children are scared it is purely because of the actions of Adults. That is why I incourage people to be compassionate to the little ones, and by that, I dont mean just your littleones.

Yes, but that is how we should be living every day right now!! For no other reason that it is the commandment!
You are certainly in your rights to hold the idea of 'blame,' but as for me--another thing I have learned in recent years is that 'blame' is a glorified excuse--to blame one's self or another for anything is not conducive to forgiveness. And forgiveness is the commandment, too! It is both for ourselves and others--but to forgive is divine, remember? God forgives, but men continue to blame and make excuses--and neither one solves anything. Forgiveness is a tremendous cure for our ills--whatever they may be. It puts the 'sin' behind and the restoration work ahead.

God isn't going to come and fix things for us and then leave the finished product in our hands--that's been done already, remember? That's how we got to this moment in time, in the first place!

Remember in the OT, Joshua's army and King David's army? They didn't stand on the sidelines and watch as God fought their battles--they fought the battles and when they won, it was because God delivered their enemies into their hands. But if they didn't win--it wasn't because God was unable--He helped them when they helped themselves and the first thing required was to trust God and 'be of good courage.' And when they won, God didn't need glory (although certainly they did the right thing by praising and glorifying Him--the minute they didn't, they were defeated again) but it was His 'good pleasure' to make the situation one that would result in His faithful people being glorified because of His favor. But the surrounding nations didn't fear God--they feared the Israelites! The couldn't see God--just men! And even knowing it was God that made it possible still caused them to fear Israel. Because God is pure spirit--but His 'right arm' is His people!

God is a perfect Father--and perfect Fathers do not spoil their children by fighting their battles or winning all their wars!

Exactily, our Father helps those who help themselfs.

and yes, we should always treat all others as mentioned above. We should also always have faith. It is amazing what happens when you do.

Children, nature, animals, they are all innocent. That is as close to seeing our father as we will ever come to see with our human eyes while we are on this world.

The question of "when will he return?", has been around for a very long time. But I ask, when did he leave?.....he never did. Our Father and his kingdom resides in us. In our souls, our spirit. "When is judgment day?" now that is the question that no one other than our father knows.

Our spirit knows our Father. Our spirit will recognise him instantly. Those women did not see him, know who he was, because they chose to see with thier eyes rather than their spirit. When a person finaly decides to open that door and let their spirit free to see, and hear, a whole new world can be seen, and wisdom is aquired.

When I spoke of responsibility, yes I apply blame to all of us. We are all connected. One single action carys a lot of effects. There are way too many people in this world who choose to look the other way and mind their own business when another spirit needs help.

Originally posted by Sth Hemisphere
How do we know that he is not already here walking amongst us already ? You might of already walked past him ..just a thought

What if he came the same way as the first time? In a human body, born as a child, but with a mustard seed within, waiting for 'resurrection?'

The christian idea of resurrection is founded on something other than what it originally meant--and by that I mean those who wrote about it in the bible--Hebrews, the known remainder of which we call Jews today--but the idea of resurrection comes not from various pagan sources, but from them. Reincarnation, as far as remembering one's past lives in this lifetime, is a pagan idea. To remember one's lifetimes, truly, would actually be 'resurrection.' And perhaps it something else that is remembered, somehow through the workings of other energies--discarnate spirits waiting for their next go-round, maybe? Being mischevious? The bible says not to consult with necromancers (those who talk to 'dead' spirits). Maybe this is why--to avoid confusion which is misleading.

Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.
(Matthew 22:28-33)

Why were they astonished?

Because He said God is of the living, not the dead. He was implying that the soul remains alive--and doesn't depend on the bones of the deceased to be raised in the last day.

John the Baptist's invectives toward the Pharisees--when he said 'God is able to raise children up from these stones'--bears this out. God doesn't need bones or anything, because it is the soul which lives, not the body. The soul gives life to the body but doesn't depend on the body for resurrection. Only God is needed for that.

And in Leviticus it says specifically that 'the life of the soul is in the blood.'

Memories, characteristics, personality traits--all encoded in DNA? Why not?

And if that is the case, then perhaps lineage is something more than just familial relationships to determine mundane inheritances and rights?

He'll be riding three white horses when he comes.....He'll be riding three white horses when he comes.....

Here he is in all his glory. You saw it first here. But seriously how would anyone believe him if he did 'arrive'? Lot's of people disbelieve credible stuff. Although alot of Jesus 'impersonators' are disregarded as nutcases such as David Koresh (waco) and David Icke, who's to say if the 'real Jesus were to announce himself he would'nt be treated the same way? The real Jesus was crucified remember. Interesting thread.

[edit on 3-7-2006 by Xeros]