how will he come?

Originally posted by tasteslikethunder
is there a modern theory on this?

If you buy into the Revelation of St. John, then Jesus will come storming out of the skies dressed in gold, on a flying white horse, ready to "kick ass and take names." He's supposed to be the biggest ultimate warrior superhero of all time, and help pound the armies of The Beast into the dust.

Of course, this sort of comic book hero vision is a bit out of line with most people's concept of Jesus as a sort of "gentle hippie," but hey. People change.

I personally think that if "Jesus" returned, it would be as a rumor that people eventually accept as true. Like somebody tells a story and another person passes it along, etc. And after a while, there are all these stories, but nobody ever sees him in person. Like it's all second- and third-hand stuff. There will be rumors about him showing up somewhere, but then he won't be there. And eventually, the stories will say that he was here, but you just missed him. Then somebody will put all the encounters and the lessons in a book and people will either believe or not, and we'll be back where we started.

Now there's a project for ATS. Writing "The Latest Testament."

Jesus will first come as an epiphany (appearing, shining forth, manifesting) in a faithful few (144,000) believers in this world before the start of the tribulation period (Rev 5:9) as the man-child ministry (Rev 12:1-6) to lead the rest of God's elect through the tribulation period. Then, 40 days after the end of the tribulation period, in the year known as the day of the Lord (Acts 2:20, Isa 34:8), God's people will be caught up (1 Thes 4:16-17, Rev 20:4-5, Rev 16 (I come as a thief, etc) with him and be up in heaven for about 1 year, then we return with Him at his coming (parousia - bodily) to finish the last battle (Rev 19) and set up His millenial kingdom.

There are a lot of verses that piece this together. It is largely hidden, but it's there. It takes a while to put them all together, but this is the bottom line.

Originally posted by saint4God
To queenannie, why do you quote the Bible without being a believer of Christ (aka Christian)?

I haven't published or announced any sort of change of heart, Saint4God!

What is your point with that remark?

Originally posted by queenannie38

It seems to me, also, that the 'initial' initiate of any given phase becomes the 'manifest destiny' of the planet. The representative, or leader by example, so to speak, of the essential energy which defines the emerging consciousness of the 'new' age.

This is confirmed by the Kabalah, where Fire, the Yod (first letter of YHWH) is positioned in the South and this is known as the first step of initiation, the spark!
This is esoterically linked to the Magician (Card 1) who has before him the 4 Ritual Weapons of Magick, the wand, the pentacle, the cup and sword.
And directly linked to Fire, south, red and Yod is the Wand.
It represents the 1st step, the waving of the wand, abracadrabra, poof, look at me my name is Aleister Crowley.
Would you like me explain how Judaism is the foundation for the House of Abraham? However Christianity and Islam also live and dwell within this dysfunctional house of cards, these are the Black Magicians who are trying to be the Wizards who craft, design and fine tune the Creation.

Harvest and seed-times ~ these are recurring symbols of significance, I've found. (I'm sure you have found the same, right?)

Within the seed resides quantum potential. Seeds are invaluable.
Monsanto Corp. knows this...this is why they (the US) made it illegal for the Iraqi farmer to trade seeds that have been passed down for generations. They must now buy their seeds from Big Brother's Mail Order Seed Catalogue.

Then, in the next chapter, God makes a pact with Noah, and the seal of the agreement is the rainbow. 7 colors in the rainbow, 7 chakras with corresponding hues ~ seven angels, seven seals, seven spirits around the throne of the Ancient of Days...

Have you done a comparative of other religions or myth in regards to number 7?

Because we have failed to live in harmony with our Mother Earth..., which represents the feminine sacred...,the coming messiah (apocalyptic geo-physical changes) will wipe the slate clean.

I see more and more people are starting to make this all-important connection, our civil survival depends on this realization.

On another thread, I called that our failure in stewardship (husbandry of the vineyard), which was given to Adam and Eve in Genesis...and then, in Revelation, the same idea pops up again:

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Revelation 11:18

So we seem to be in agreement.

But since we are promised that not all flesh will be destroyed again by a flood ~ of which the rainbow continues without fail to testify ~ and there is much talk of the 'remnant' and the 'residue' of those who obey God's commandments (which go along with the husbandry theme: 'be fruitful and multiply' and 'subdue all the earth') and have the 'testimony of Jesus Christ' which is the spirit of prophesy (which isn't primarily prognostication but rather being a channel for communication with the Most High God ~ initiates?)

I have personally been given, to understand, that this time there will be mass 'reconstruction and remodeling,' which means rearrangement of the terra firma as well as the populace. But there will be a portion left ~ we are not going to have to start all the way over ~ more like just a 'new lease on life.' The only thing destined for total destruction is our current wasteful and selfish mode of lifestyle. (speaking of the human condition and worldly perspective, in general)

I am curious, you state that you “personally been given, to understand, that this time there will be mass 'reconstruction and remodeling,'”

Could you elaborate please and then I will share with you Hopi prophecy and what I have been given to understand…

Namaste

Raphael

Originally posted by Kachina
Would you like me explain how Judaism is the foundation for the House of Abraham?

Certainly you may; not necessarily for me, but for all those who might come upon this thread, then please do so.

Within the seed resides quantum potential. Seeds are invaluable.
Monsanto Corp. knows this...this is why they (the US) made it illegal for the Iraqi farmer to trade seeds that have been passed down for generations. They must now buy their seeds from Big Brother's Mail Order Seed Catalogue.

That figures!!!

Have you done a comparative of other religions or myth in regards to number 7?

Actually, I can't say that my essential understandings come from any religion, whatsoever, in regard to anything metaphysical. I have studied them to the purpose of coming to understand the unity that underlies all things, cultures, and what seems like disparate ideas (on the surface.) I know there is but ONE God and I understand how we misunderstand, as humans, the limitless permeation, perfection, and efficiency of God's MIND. And so we misinterpret symbols as literal objects and judge that which seems foreign as 'wrong' instead of searching within the Spirit for the truth; and in doing these things we also limit ourselves as willing vessels being prepared for service.

And to be honest, at this point in time, my understanding is holistic to the point of truly not recalling the specifics of where or which or when each tidbit of information I've gleaned through the years came from. My conviction in my understandings has come from spiritual experiences which solidified the mud of knowledge into a rock upon which I can trust and stand ~ this is a rock planted by God as the cornerstone ~ and although christianity attempts to claim what is not theirs for their own exclusive use, the truth is that the world has perpetually rejected this same stone just as the majority of people reject the things which I say for various and limitless reasons which are theirs and not mine nor God's.

I know that 7 is 7 is 7 is 7; and while it is represented in various mythos and faiths as seemingly different things, it is just a matter of interpretation based on experience and perspective of those who pass the wisdom they've gained from God down through their respective generations. God gives some, a few, what might be termed a 'universal soul.' The sight of such an entity is not limited to perspective or anything that is personally relevant. It's the ultimate 'whole picture!'

I understand numbers to be not literally quantitive in the spiritual realm, as they are in the physical realm; they are 'vibrational energies' and are each unique in both purpose and character. They are literally the building blocks of the Universe--they are partnered with the 22 letters of the Hebrew Aleph-bet; in that they are the stones that build the Rock. Creation always begins and ends with aleph-tav (who are one in the same in the deepest sense) but ages are governed by the energies we think of as 'numbers.'

You mentioned color, and the tarot, and other things - these, of course, are the some of the superficially disparate manifestations of the essential principles - which are the course of action/fruition of the ONE whole.

We are currently governed by the energy of '7' as a whole; however, some are coming into the 8's and the 9's. This being the second age 'remembered' will only manifest as '7' for the collective consciousness and the next age will go 8 through 14.
There are 21 'steps,' however; but the previous age was -7 to -1. There is sacred significance in the idea of 'prime numbers.' Prime numbers are not created or reproduced by mankind - they are 'set apart' and have no governor aside from the Most High God and as such are truly 'pure' which means they are sacred and holy in their participation and their character.

8 begins the cycle of 'super abundance.' That is when we get beyond the 'breaking even' point.

I wish I could explain to you better how I understand these things--as of yet I can not--it is possible I might never acquire such a thing because for the purposes they serve that would be sort of like a 'cheat sheet'--that is why these are the things I rarely take out for 'show and tell.' I hope you understand. Some things are nearly, or completely, impossible to express properly with verbal language.

I see more and more people are starting to make this all-important connection, our civil survival depends on this realization.

Yes--this is because it is time to come to this understanding.

So we seem to be in agreement.

It would seem so! That is why I brought something extra to 'show and tell!'

I am curious, you state that you “personally been given, to understand, that this time there will be mass 'reconstruction and remodeling,'”

Could you elaborate please and then I will share with you Hopi prophecy and what I have been given to understand…

Well, this is information I received, through the Spirit, on an individual level, in the privacy of my soul, in a truly revelatory nature - visions, dreams, 'knowings,' and the like. I find verification in many things objectively accessible - such as findings of science and other disciplines, as well as in the tone and attitude of the collective consciousness. But the verification always comes second - even if the building blocks are already present, it is impossible for me to piece them together as they are meant to go in order to build a logical construction. I just can't do it. That is how I know that I don't truly know anything - and can't; that is, on my own - independent of God. And it was given for my understanding - the same which is given for even another purpose beyond just the sake of my understanding. (which is no viable purpose at all, in the grand scheme of things in regard to my person, if you know what I mean--I hope you do, anyway)

I hope that is a satisfactory answer - if not, then let me know and I'll expand upon it. But I'm not sure at this point what else to say. That is basically my truthful perception of how, and why, and through what manner I received these things.

I would be very appreciative if you are inclined to share your understandings of Hopi prophesies - which I know are valid and true - far more than most outside of the Hopi people probably realize. I live in New Mexico - and I was born in Tuscon, Arizona; even though I personally don't know anyone who has claims as a Hopi, I am extremely aware, and am also a product (as a seed is a product of the field in which it is sewn), of the energy which is in this part of the land.

Originally posted by queenannie38
I haven't published or announced any sort of change of heart, Saint4God!

What is your point with that remark?

You'd stated you weren't a Christian (one who professes belief in Christ) so I'm curious as to why you quote the Bible. My point is I'd like to know your point in quoting it.



[edit on 8-8-2006 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God
You'd stated you weren't a Christian (one who professes belief in Christ) so I'm curious as to why you quote the Bible. My point is I'd like to know your point in quoting it.

Saint4God ~ I know it is your opinion that all who believe in Christ must, by necessity, call themselves christians. I, however, am not of the same opinion. It has been my experience, so far, that God doesn't share your opinion. In fact, I doubt God dabbles in opinions.

God searches our reins and our hearts, His ways are not our ways, He looks not upon us as we look upon each other.

God is my judge. He knows what is in my heart.

The bible is a book that anyone who is in the USA is completely at liberty to both read and quote. I do both.

Once again, why I will not call myself a christian: I do not wish to be associated, connected, or defined by a religion that does not, as a whole, honor or obey God; that teaches the doctrines of men as those of God; and as a whole, is rife with hypocrisy. It is better for me that I do what God has put in my heart than to call myself by some name that is going to meet with the approval of men.

I don't care one whit for anyone's approval, all the way from myself up to the Pope. You are included within that range, so I hope you understand why it doesn't matter to me how you judge me. Because, as I said, God is my judge.

Originally posted by queenannie38

Originally posted by saint4God
You'd stated you weren't a Christian (one who professes belief in Christ) so I'm curious as to why you quote the Bible. My point is I'd like to know your point in quoting it.

Saint4God ~ I know it is your opinion that all who believe in Christ must, by necessity, call themselves christians.

Not opinion:

Main Entry: 1Chris·tian
Pronunciation: 'kris-ch&n, 'krish-
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin christianus, adjective & noun, from Greek christianos, from Christos
1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
www.m-w.com...

Originally posted by queenannie38
I, however, am not of the same opinion.

Who's discussing opinion?

Originally posted by queenannie38
It has been my experience, so far, that God doesn't share your opinion. In fact, I doubt God dabbles in opinions.

Which is why I find it interesting that you have such disdain for someone who believes, like myself, that declares, "Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Light."

Originally posted by queenannie38
God searches our reins and our hearts, His ways are not our ways, He looks not upon us as we look upon each other.

This applies to all of us. You and me alike.

Isaiah 55:8
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD."

Originally posted by queenannie38
God is my judge. He knows what is in my heart.

As He is and does for me.

Again, true for both of us.

Originally posted by queenannie38
The bible is a book that anyone who is in the USA is completely at liberty to both read and quote. I do both.

Once again, why I will not call myself a christian: I do not wish to be associated, connected, or defined by a religion that does not, as a whole, honor or obey God;

How do you judge that?

Originally posted by queenannie38
that teaches the doctrines of men as those of God;

How do you judge that?

Originally posted by queenannie38
and as a whole, is rife with hypocrisy.

How do you judge that?

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." - Matthew 7:1-5

Originally posted by queenannie38
It is better for me that I do what God has put in my heart than to call myself by some name that is going to meet with the approval of men.

I don't care one whit for anyone's approval, all the way from myself up to the Pope. You are included within that range, so I hope you understand why it doesn't matter to me how you judge me. Because, as I said, God is my judge.

Romans 14:4
"Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand."

Romans 14:10
"You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat."

1 Corinthians 4:5
"Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God."

Colossians 2:16
"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."

Do you accept or reject Colossians 2:16?

[edit on 8-8-2006 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God
Not opinion:

Main Entry: 1Chris·tian
Pronunciation: 'kris-ch&n, 'krish-
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin christianus, adjective & noun, from Greek christianos, from Christos
1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
www.m-w.com...

That's fine, Saint4God, if the dictionary is your absolute authority on who God approves or accepts in the Beloved, then that's your perogative.

God doesn't care what I call myself. It is His call that matters.

Who's discussing opinion?

I am. As opposed to 'fact.'

Which is why I find it interesting that you have such disdain for someone who believes, like myself, that declares, "Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Light."

Who said I disdain you? I do not; nor have I ever said I do. I don't 'disdain' anyone. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't love you. I love everyone, regardless of who they are, what they call themselves, or even how they treat me! I can't help it. It isn't my power that gives me that love, so I don't fight it.

Declare anything you want, Saint4God. That's between you and God, and I'm not delving into your personal beliefs, convictions, or declarations. You seem to want to take this there, but I refuse. You asked me why this and why that, remember?

I didn't ask you, nor did I express any criticism toward you, personally.

And now you want to pick apart my honest answers. So be it. But don't make this personally about me judging you, as an individual, because it is not. It never has been nor will it turn into that. Nor is it because of you that I hold my convictions.

This applies to all of us. You and me alike.

Don't you think I know that? However, as I said: I'm not criticizing you personally or pointing things out for you to heed. I am speaking for myself, and myself alone.

As He is and does for me.

See above.

Again, true for both of us.

Again, see above.

How do you judge that?

With the discernment that God granted me for that purpose.

How do you judge that?

See above.

How do you judge that?

Once again, see above.

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." - Matthew 7:1-5

I assure you, I have a whole stack of bibles and a few more on my computer...often I don't require them for reference since much has been committed to my memory just because of repetitious reading and constant studying. You've already flagged that verse for me, and I duly noted it. Thank you again.

You seem to feel I have a 'plank in my eye.' I will tell you that I have had plenty of planks in my eye. Probably enough to build a house or maybe a dozen. Over the course of time and through many experiences both in the world and in the Spirit, God has been removing these planks from eyes--or scales, as it were. And yet still, daily - several times a day, I do a 'plank check.' And I know I am not a hypocrite, and never have been. I have been blind, true enough - but blindness is not hypocrisy. But, thank the LORD God, I am not blind, anymore, either. When I was blind, I did not judge others. I still do not judge the individual. I am judging the institution of christianity, and not in the sense of 'giving a verdict,' but rather I am discerning truth from fiction - with the help of my LORD God. I trust Him implicitly, exclusively, and completely - in all things. Therefore I am not hesitant to act on the understandings He gives me. If I did not trust Him, He would not help me. He does not allow me to stray and He does not purposely lead me astray; again, because I trust Him wholeheartedly. I haven't always - but I do now, and will continue to do so until He lets me come home.

Romans 14:4
"Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand."

Romans 14:10
"You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat."

Yes. I have stood before that judgment seat. I know you probably can't comprehend what I am saying, with that. Nevertheless, I have stood before Him and He has judged me.

Besides that, as I said above, I am judging no man, but rather discerning certain things about an institution and its doctrines and practices. Please stop taking it personal, because I am not directing it at you.

Colossians 2:16
"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."

Then, why are you judging me or questioning me about why I do not call myself a christian or why I quote the bible?

Do you somehow feel you are an authority over me? Do you feel you are doing God's work in interrogating me? Perhaps you feel I am 'lost' and you are 'found?' Whatever your reasons or rationale, please direct it elsewhere.

Do you accept or reject Colossians 2:16?

There is not a single word, phrase, idea, or commandment in the bible that I reject.

Whatsoever. I accept it all. My understanding may not be the same as yours, but that is neither here nor there.

You only have to see the death and destruction, murders and scumbag
paedophiles in the world, to not only believe but KNOW that god/jesus
does not exist.

And dont use the free will argument!
If god worked in an office he would be sent to the electric chair for what
he's let happen.

Hi guys this is my first post and as a born again christian i beleive Jesus WILL come back, when he does he will not be welcomed by hardly anyone on earth thanks to satans plan to turn everyone against christians and Jesus himself, and this time is very soon. its widely known that Jesus will return before we can wipe ourselves out with war, this time i beleive is very close... (just look on the TV and you can see it coming, no pun intended lol). how Jesus will return is another matter all i know is that he said every eye shall see his return, which to me says he will come down from the sky, or look at it from another angle satellite TV is in practically every home now so we may all see him return on TV.
Before he does come though satan is goin to trick the world with his magic tricks and show us mightly miracles... he is gonna try and make us worship him... i mean come on... he made the world beleive he had horns.. and red skin when in actuality he is an Angel so he is probably a beautiful man. but he will/has lost the battle already and he knows it... i got most of this information from sites such as www.wonderfulworldtomorrow.org and church and end time books, hope it helps.

Originally posted by Fallguy
Hi guys this is my first post and as a born again christian i beleive Jesus WILL come back, when he does he will not be welcomed by hardly anyone on earth thanks to satans plan to turn everyone against christians and Jesus himself, and this time is very soon. its widely known that Jesus will return before we can wipe ourselves out with war, this time i beleive is very close... (just look on the TV and you can see it coming, no pun intended lol). how Jesus will return is another matter all i know is that he said every eye shall see his return, which to me says he will come down from the sky, or look at it from another angle satellite TV is in practically every home now so we may all see him return on TV.
Before he does come though satan is goin to trick the world with his magic tricks and show us mightly miracles... he is gonna try and make us worship him... i mean come on... he made the world beleive he had horns.. and red skin when in actuality he is an Angel so he is probably a beautiful man. but he will/has lost the battle already and he knows it... i got most of this information from sites such as www.wonderfulworldtomorrow.org and church and end time books, hope it helps.

Read my above post and get real. No ones gonna save you except yourself.
Still, another converted is more money for the church eh.

Well sneakanoid...

I dont pretend to subscribe to any one religion, but you may want to consider that it is not "god" who is allowing these things to happen. have you not considered that, although it might not be a greasy red demon with horns and red skin, there are powerfull negative energies in the world? and if "god" were able/willing to intervein in each one, wouldn't the very makeup of our world be pointless? Do you not see the beauty in being able to choose between dark and light? You must be aware of that struggle within yourself at the very least, no matter how subconsciously. There is some strange "order" in allowing there to be dark, and therefore giving us the choice to either not choose it, or witness it's inevibility and it's power, and therefore step towards the light even more. These people that are dying and diseased, these people that hate and kill and hurt, they are all either subject to, or apart of, for lack of a less known word..evil. it's an energy, it's a presence..i feel it all the time. But so is the light, the good, the joy.

when you scratch the surface like that, and pick up your finger and look whats stuck in your nail, you find that the first choice is very simple, the choice between dark and light. thats when you walk forward to clean your hands and trip and fall deep in the rabbit hole, and begin to be apart of the whole mystery.

[edit on 8-8-2006 by tasteslikethunder]

Originally posted by tasteslikethunder
Well sneakanoid...

I dont pretend to subscribe to any one religion, but you may want to consider that it is not "god" who is allowing these things to happen. have you not considered that, although it might not be a greasy red demon with horns and red skin, there are powerfull negative energies in the world? and if "god" where able/willing to intervein in each one, would'nt the very makeup of our world be pointless? Do you not see the beauty in being able to choose between dark and light? You must be aware of that struggle within yourself at the very least, no matter how subconsciously. There is some strange "order" in allowing there to be dark, and therefore giving us the choice to either not choose it, or witness it's inevibility and it's power, and therefore step towards the light even more. These people that are dying and diseased, these people that hate and kill and hurt, they are all either subject to, or apart of, for lack of a less known word..evil. it's an energy, it's a presence..i feel it all the time. But so is the light, the good, the joy.

when you scratch the surface like that, and pick up your finger and look whats stuck in your nail, you find that the first choice is very simple, the choice between dark and light. thats when you walk forward to clean your hands and trip and fall deep in the rabbit hole, and begin to be apart of the whole mystery.

I dont think you realise how easy choice is, i 'chose' not to do these things
because im not an evil person, and at no point consciously or
unconsciously do i have these thoughts to harm anyone in any form.
It comes down to right and wrong i admit that, but to do acts of untold harm only
means that the person is deranged and has no part in the world.

millions suffer and pray every day and yet god chooses to ignore it.
He's not doing his job.

So it would be pointless for god to stop a child rapist destroying a young kids life?

Or stop an old man being beaten to death for his pension?

Im so glad i dont have warped almost blaise view of world suffering as you do.

Originally posted by saint4God
Not opinion:

Main Entry: 1Chris·tian
Pronunciation: 'kris-ch&n, 'krish-

Where you see a Christ or Christian, I see Krish-na.
You say tomato, I say ...

Saint4God may I ask, why the 4?


namaste

Raphael

Originally posted by thesneakiod
So it would be pointless for god to stop a child rapist destroying a young kids life?

Or stop an old man being beaten to death for his pension?

Im so glad i dont have warped almost blaise view of world suffering as you do.

You havent understood me, and thats fine. To mention the word "blaise" is neive though. Do you expect that the order of things is so uncompicated as to be able to intervein in every little thing? someone explained to me once a theory about time travel, and how much even someone coming back and kicking a rock could effect the course of history and the world. I think you are looking at this too close to your face. I hope asking you to imagine the scope of what "god" is considering when a hand is moved is out of your realm of imagining. it is certainly out of mine.

Originally posted by thesneakiod

You only have to see the death and destruction, murders and scumbag
paedophiles in the world, to not only believe but KNOW that god/jesus
does not exist.

And dont use the free will argument!
If god worked in an office he would be sent to the electric chair for what
he's let happen.

If you truly feel the "scumbags" of the world should be destroyed, then why aren't you out killing them? You must know that if you feel something is wrong, yet do nothing to prevent it, then you are just as guilty by allowing it to happen. Hypocrisy is like a weed that permeates every part of our flesh. Your words just condemned you. Why is it God's responsibility to clean up our own messes?

Originally posted by ben91069

Originally posted by thesneakiod

You only have to see the death and destruction, murders and scumbag
paedophiles in the world, to not only believe but KNOW that god/jesus
does not exist.

And dont use the free will argument!
If god worked in an office he would be sent to the electric chair for what
he's let happen.

If you truly feel the "scumbags" of the world should be destroyed, then why aren't you out killing them? You must know that if you feel something is wrong, yet do nothing to prevent it, then you are just as guilty by allowing it to happen. Hypocrisy is like a weed that permeates every part of our flesh. Your words just condemned you. Why is it God's responsibility to clean up our own messes?

Besides the fact that im not a superhero, how do i know when a crimes going to happen? I dont know the future. And why use the word scumbags with inverted
commas? Are they not?
Think about what you write instead of posting pointless cod philosphy crap.

Originally posted by tasteslikethunder

Originally posted by thesneakiod
So it would be pointless for god to stop a child rapist destroying a young kids life?

Or stop an old man being beaten to death for his pension?

Im so glad i dont have warped almost blaise view of world suffering as you do.

You havent understood me, and thats fine. To mention the word "blaise" is neive though. Do you expect that the order of things is so uncompicated as to be able to intervein in every little thing? someone explained to me once a theory about time travel, and how much even someone coming back and kicking a rock could effect the course of history and the world. I think you are looking at this too close to your face. I hope asking you to imagine the scope of what "god" is considering when a hand is moved is out of your realm of imagining. it is certainly out of mine.

Im sorry but you are just rambling, that didnt make any sense at all.

God is not a time traveller, he/she is meant to have created the universe
A kid being murdered is not a little thing. get real.
Its just just a typical response by a member of the god squad, to try
and justify the existence of a fictional character.