POLITICS: Sheehan Attacks Israel, Refuses to Pay Taxes

The only way this war could ever be lost is on the homefront.

That's some position to take DJ. So without Ms. Sheehan's actions, our stellar battleplan would be working perfectly in Iraq? Is that right?

Hmm... Our leaders sneak 280 billion dollars in highway pork past our noses (and into our children's debt-laden future) and you want to nail this grieving mom for trying to use her taxes as a protest tool? She's a major seditionist and probably on par with the enemy in your mind, eh?

NEWSFLASH: Tax protests are very American, and she is to be applauded for her use of non-violent protest methods to get her point across. Anyone who has a problem with this is not really an American, IMO.


[edit on 15-8-2005 by smallpeeps]

By every precedent I know of the 16th Amendment trumps the 1st Amendment. If you can find otherwise, please let me know so I can stop paying my taxes!

No it doesn't trump any of the Bill of Rights, dj.

Maybe we're starting to get to what it is about you that is alarming me so very bad.

You're accusing some one who has a voice of opposition to a military action of giving aid and comfort to the enemy. That's disgusting. You're stating that the much contested 16 amendment trumps the First Amendment!

That's terrifying.



[edit on 8-15-2005 by Valhall]

The American taxpayers are getting hosed by this administration.

They waste trillions supporting large corporate crony interests and then tell us
that there isn't enough to cover health care, education, housing and other essential
programs that would benefit everyone.

Unfortunately the American people have forgotten the bravery and devotion of their forefathers and allow
this blatant thievery to continue.

We can not deduct certain expenses from our taxes, but the federal government can spend our money
any way they want.

What if "they" were forced to completely disclose all their expenses and We The People had the power to
disallow certain expenses? Now that would be progress!

This administration has given us ( to name a few)
The military industrial corporation funding bill
The pharmaceutical corporation funding bill
The energy corporation funding bill
The insurance corporation funding bill
with tax breaks for every one of these entities.

So where is the American worker funding bill?
The American education for all funding bill?
The American healthcare funding bill?
The American affordable housing funding bill?


by the way DJ

Section 4 - Disqualification

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


[edit on 15-8-2005 by FallenFromTheTree]

Valhall, it's clear that the 16th Amendment trumps the 1st Amendment. You can't say that you're not going to pay your taxes because you disagree with something the government is doing. If you do so you'll end up in jail. If you don't think I'm right, try it for yourself...

You're hopeless dj.

And you're pretty much proving her statements about the radical right correct. This entire thread of statements that she deserves to be in prison and the insinuations that some how paying your income tax is buying free speech is disgusting.

Hate-mongering of opposing views. Suppression of the protesting voice.

Disgusting behavior that shows ignorance of the Bill of Rights and what is being taken away from us at an ever-increasing rate.

shameful and disgusting. heartless, hateful and contemptable.

disgraceful.

Perhaps a more palatable way to put it is that not paying your taxes isn't speech...anyway NO COURT would uphold your right to withhold taxes to the Federal government because you disagree how that government spends your money, no matter what your personal opinion is Valhall. No part of the Constitution holds any more weight than any other, i.e. the first 10 Amendments. In fact the last ratified Amendment (the 27th) to the Constitution was part of the original "Bill of Rights." It's up to the Supreme Court to determine their relative importance if in seeming disagreement when put up to each issue, which is why that Court is so important.



[edit on 8/15/2005 by djohnsto77]

DJ it seems quite obvious that your livelihood depends on the success of this administration.

You have this uncanny ability to ignore the way these people have exploited the American citizens
by every means possible.

In effect your comments directly support widespread governmental corruption.

DJ it seems quite obvious that your livelihood depends on the success of this administration.

I wish...I'd be well connected then.

The only truly corrupt administration I've seen was the Clinton admin...I guess the Nixon admin would also qualify, but I was just an infant then so therefore don't remember it...

anyway NO COURT would uphold your right to withhold taxes to the Federal government because you disagree how that government spends your money, no matter what your personal opinion is

So? Just because the courts are in cahoots with the American Collection Agency (IRS) doesn't change the principles by which Americans might choose to live. You are familiar with common law? We don't need 1/10th the number of courts, lawyers or judges in America.

The IRS is not America. It is perfectly acceptable for Ms Sheehan to connect the IRS and its collection system with the war which killed her son. Heck, I surely paid for a few DU bullets in this war through my taxes also. I'm not happy about it.

You feel that paying the IRS makes you a better American? Is that because it makes you feel patriotic and places you comfortably in lock step with other Americans (who similarly have not examined that premise)? Or is it because you see taxes as a big crap sandwich which everyone must eat, and are just irritated that one American doesn't want to eat it anymore?

Originally posted by Valhall
insinuations that some how paying your income tax is buying free speech is disgusting.

Where did I say that? I'm just saying she can't refuse to pay Federal income tax because she disagrees how the money will be spent. I don't want my money going towards myriad of Federal programs, but can't refuse to pay my taxes on those grounds...why can she refuse to pay her taxes because she disagrees with the War on Terror?

You're not back-peddling out of this dj. You said:

This woman has gone off the deep end. Calling for the withdrawal of Israel from all of Palestine means the total destruction of Israel. At least by not paying her taxes she can end up where she belongs -- in Federal prison.

The implication being that at least now that won't pay her 2004 taxes - and her reason being that she feels she's already given all she will for that year! - at least we can get her locked away now.

Yes, that's what you implied. Look up there at your own words. "At least by not paying her taxes she can end up where she belongs -- in Federal prison.

And bringing up what you believe to be the "most corrupt administration", that of Clinton -- I understand that his c*m-spot, cigar and b.j., along with the lie that accompanied it may be the darkest spot in our history for you...but it's quickly fading into the Porky's IV sequel it deserves to be in comparison to the fabrications surrounding this military action.

It is impossible for some, and near impossible for all, to endure the loss of a child. It must be soul-killing to have to endure it because of lies.

Val,

I think her statements historically would be treasonous and seditious and would have been reasonable cause for imprisonment. Can you imagine if some woman who lost her son to Nazi fire would have been treated if she attacked FDR in the same way?

Of course society has changed, and I admit that it would be impossible to get her on that charge, and perhaps it shouldn't be done, neither now nor then.

But, she certainly can't refuse to pay her taxes based on this. I support the full weight and power of the Federal government to come down upon her if she does that.

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Plus, as I see it, she's calling for the destruction of a friendly democratic government...how would someone be treated if she called for the overthrow of the British government for example?

[edit on 8/15/2005 by djohnsto77]

Cindy Sheehan has gone off the deep end, losing a son is traumatic, and cannot be minimized. That being said, her family has distanced themselves from he current "crusade," including giving a statement that they do not support her methods. The other shoe has now dropped, her husband of 28 years has filed for divorce.

www.thesmokinggun.com...

The sad keeps getting sadder.

Go home Cindy, and try to save what little of your tattered life you can.

In my opinion her behavior has gone beyond free speech and is now seditious and treasonous. Refusing to pay her taxes is just the final straw, but the real nail in the legal coffin.

And you call yourself a Conservative? More like an Imperialist seeking American Hegemony over Foreign Resources and Domestic Rights(a Neo-Con for short). Since when has jailing Tax Evaders become the priority of the Republican Party? I guess it only becomes one when the Tax Evader is doing it out of Protest instead of Massive Greed. Or at least that is what you seem to want to happen Dj.

Sheehan is not breaking new ground here. Many have decided not to pay taxes for one reason or another, from anti-war kooks to militia kooks. The courts deal with all of them the same way, pursuant to law.

Personally, I think anyone has as much right to say what they will about Sheehan as Sheehan has the right to say what she will about the President and the country. I hope she keeps talking because the more she talks the less credibility she will have with rational folks.

So, this anti-war crank doesn't want to pay her taxes... that's cool by me! That leaves her with only 2 choices (BOTH of which I like!)... She can either clear the heck out of the country OR go to prison for tax evasion. Either way is just fine with me... she's out of media either way. BUH -and- BYE!!

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[edit on 15-8-2005 by kozmo]

I am not taking sides here, but I can not help but think of this:
07 November 2000 21:23
pamela: 6.what started the war? and who fought in it? who won?what countries were destroyed and what survived?
timetravel_0: Wow...that's a big question. There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and Europe . The United States counter attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska

I wonder if there are ony of you that has thought of this in the last few days???

Originally posted by Mirthful Me
The other shoe has now dropped, her husband of 28 years has filed for divorce.

www.thesmokinggun.com...

The sad keeps getting sadder.

Go home Cindy, and try to save what little of your tattered life you can.

This is sad, but very common for couples suffering the loss of a child. You either become closer than you've ever been and are inseparable, or you completely come from together. I feel sorry for the whole family.

If she doesn't pay her back taxes, and if she continues to loudly
pronounce that she won't .. then throw her butt in jail.

Saying that she 'paid' for 2004 because her son died doesn't cut it.
Her son, an ADULT, volunteered for the military. He GAVE his life.
The mother didn't offer it up 'in payment' for anything.