Europe 2005 is Germany 1930

Originally posted by American Mad Man
I have decided to show that EUROPE is in fact much more like 1930s Nazi Germany then the USA ever could hope to be.

Nice try. Here's another perspective.

An Unjust War

by Charley Reese
It would pay us all to remember that the war in Iraq was both unjust and illegal. We launched a war of aggression against a country that was not attacking us, did not have the means to attack us, and had never expressed any intention of attacking us.

Thus, America's attack against Iraq is the same as Germany's attack against Poland in 1939. We were the aggressor, pure and simple, and for whatever real reason we attacked Iraq, it was not to save America from any danger, imminent or otherwise.
www.antiwar.com...

There's nothing "America hating" about the truth; and sometimes, in the case of this wretched administration - that I myself am guilty of voting for in 2000 - the truth can be very painful and disconcerting. Refusing to open one's eyes and acknowledge it, makes one an accomplice.

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Nice post

Originally posted by Souljah
Hey AAM, what's the point of this thread?

You copy-pasted some facts about how Hitler rose to power, but I dont see any connections between that and the Europe today. Who is the Hitler of Europe Today then in your opinion? Who is this Evil Dictator that you are comparing to Hitler? Who is this Evil Country that you are comparing to befor WW2 Germany?

All I can see is a counter-punch to thread of ghostsoldier - but without any real Facts and Connections with Europe today and Nazi Germany of 1930.

lol
Some people just don't get it. (I see ECK missed it too)

I made this post not to show how close to Nazi Germany Europe is, but to show just how stupid such comparisons are. It is not close to complete, or my best work. I could easily manipulate things to make Europe look as if it were already under fascist rule. But thats the point here, you can really make anyone look as bad as you want if you twist things the way you want them.

[edit on 21-4-2005 by ThatsJustWeird]

Originally posted by Souljah
Hey AAM, what's the point of this thread?

Simple, to show just how stupid the comparison of the US or Europe is to Nazi Germany.

You copy-pasted some facts about how Hitler rose to power, but I dont see any connections between that and the Europe today.

First, the only thing I copy/pasted was the 25 point plan. Everything else was not. Secondly, I have shown how there are in fact more connections in Europe to 1930 Nazi Germany then there are in the US. It's funny that you can will yourself to see it in the US but turn a blind eye to the connections in Europe (which far exceed those in the US) because it serves your goal.

Who is the Hitler of Europe Today then in your opinion? Who is this Evil Dictator that you are comparing to Hitler?

Who is the evil dictator in the US? There isn't one. Not Bush, not Chaney, not Rice. Just as Chirac - a former communist - is not Hitler. The point is these comparisons are inane.

All I can see is a counter-punch to thread of ghostsoldier - but without any real Facts and Connections with Europe today and Nazi Germany of 1930.

And he had real facts? LOL - his was a copy and paste from "the greenleft"

I at least compared point by point the connections. And yes, there are connections. Just read it. High unemployment in Europe just like Germany. Propaganda that RIVALS Germany and far exceeds anything the US had. The blame game and guilt. It goes on and on.

However, I too think the comparison is stupid. BOTH of them are, and that is the point.

I am still waiting for the examples of where Europe is like Nazi Germany, haven't seen any yet.

What was this thread about again?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Some people just don't get it. (I see ECK missed it too)

I made this post not to show how close to Nazi Germany Europe is, but to show just how stupid such comparisons are. It is not close to complete, or my best work. I could easily manipulate things to make Europe look as if it were already under fascist rule. But thats the point here, you can really make anyone look as bad as you want if you twist things the way you want them.

No you can NOT easy Manipulate Things to make Europe "look" as if its under fascist rule! We dont have Patriot Acts I and II. We dont have Prison Camps in Guantanamo. We dont break international treaties. We are not the State Sponsor of Terrorism.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Some people just don't get it. (I see ECK missed it too)

You obviously only read and listen to what you want to hear. What more does one need to know about your "views"?

Where is the supression of dissent?
Where is the attempt to unify the people against a bogus threat from "the enemy within?"
Where is the militarism?
Where is the obsession with conquest?

None of the trappings of fascism can be seen in the modern EU.
On the other hand, they are all alive and well in my poor beleaguered USA.

This thread is lame doublethink.
"War is Peace" indeeed...

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
You obviously only read and listen to what you want to hear. What more does one need to know about your "views"?

This makes absolutely no sense at all. Someone asked what this thread was about. I posted where AMM stated what this thread was about. Did you not see the quote?


What are you babbling about?

Originally posted by Souljah
No you can NOT easy Manipulate Things to make Europe "look" as if its under fascist rule! We dont have Patriot Acts I and II. We dont have Prison Camps in Guantanamo. We dont break international treaties. We are not the State Sponsor of Terrorism.

Excellent point, Souljah. It is we who are now disappearing people, torturing people and sowing war without end. Before 9-11, this behavior was appalling and abhorent to the majority of Americans. 9-11 has so freaked people out, obviously, we can no longer think straight as a nation. We lash out the coward's way instead of going about it the lawful way and holding those truly responsible for these crimes. America is no longer what it was pre-9-ll. It is much closer to Hitler's Germany. Anyone with no bias applied, and a brain that works, who compares Hitler's rise to 9-11 and the rise of Bush's UNPARALLED power, will see how frighteningly similar they are. Everyone reading this should look into it.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

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Nice post

Babbling?

I'm sorry, if you agree with the premise of this thread - that the EU is closer to Hitler's Germany than BushCo. - and give it the WayAbove.. you are lacking much information. If you went or go to public school, though; that is why. They don't teach kids anything about our wars - other than we were the heroes and we won. In the case of Korea and Vietnam, they normally just skip right past those.

OK, let me copy-paste some Facts how USA can be compared to the Nazi Germany:


1. On the ProBush.com's "ABOUT US page, we find only this silly little statement - WE HATE BUSH HATERS!"

From Joesph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minster - There are no distinctions between Jews.


2. From the ProBush.com's home page - I had made it clear to the world that either you're with us or you're with the enemy, and that doctrine still stands.

From Joseph Goebbels - The Jews are the enemy's agents among us. He who stands by them aids the enemy.to a quasi socialist state. Some say McCarthy was actually correct and was one of the truest patriots this country has seen in some time.


3. From the newsletter this pathetic site put out 6/28/03 - I will be completely honest with you here. The tide in America is changing, and thanks to the failures of our system during the McCarthy era, the far left in this country has dominated our media and our policy driving us closer and closer to a quasi socialist state. Some say McCarthy was actually correct and was one of the truest patriots this country has seen in some time.

From Joseph Goebbels - How stupid and thoughtless are the arguments of the backward friends of the Jews in the face of a problem that has occupied mankind for millennia! How they would gape if they could ever see their dear Jews in power! But that would be too late. That is why it is the duty of a national leadership to take all necessary measures to keep such a thing from happening.


4. From the same newsletter - You see freedom in America is a fishy topic. Just because freedom is what it is, it can never be limitless. Why would we want to give people the freedom to destroy our system. There is and always have been people in America who express their freedom in a way that would want to bring down the United States. How can we leave that as acceptable. We cannot extend freedom to people who hate our country and want to use it's freedom to destroy it from the inside out.

From Joseph Goebbels - Carelessness here is not only a weakness, it is disregard of duty and a crime against the security of the state. The Jews long for one thing: to reward our foolishness with bloodshed and terror. It must never come to that. One of the most effective defenses is an unforgiving, cold hardness against the destroyers of our people, against the instigators of the war, against those who would benefit if we lose, and therefore also against the victims, if we win.


5. From the same newsletter - And when the United States starts acting like that again, and we all drop all this privacy nonsense, we'll realize that complete privacy is implicitly bad. It enables people to do things they wouldn't do if everyone knew they were doing it. It enables people to plot maliciously. Should you have privacy with your spouse or significant other. Of course, but should you be able to assemble in a dark corner accountable to no one plotting God knows what? We don't think so.

From Joseph Goebbels - We have often said that this is not a matter of fundamentals that we want to maintain forever. We are the last to call for privatizing public and private life. When however there is no other alternative, we must have the courage to toss overboard all the old comforts and conveniences.


6. Last, and certainly most important, from the same page - Traitor: If you do not support our President's decisions you are a traitor.

From multiple Nazi sources - Adolf Hitler is Germany and Germany is Adolf Hitler. He who takes an oath to Hitler takes an oath to Germany!


ProBush.com

Goebbels speeches

How the Patriot Act Compares to Hitler's Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling Act)


Now for which "ruler" in Europe can you claim the same or similar comparison to the Nazi Germany? The French president Chirac?

Now, Sminkey, I'm appalled that you'd attack another, calling them childish and the like. How positively dopey of you! (Yes, I caught my own irony; it was intentional).
The point of saying Hitler is an angel in comparision is just that - a comparison. This is a common way to show that, in comparison to another atrocity, the atrocity that is more well-known pales in comparison. Why are you making this a matter of contention?

America is a free and modern democracy (As if a democracy, which is merely tyranny be the mob, is a good thing), yet the ridiculous comparisons to Pre-WWII Germany is often made.

Also, might you say something that has more meat and potatos and less flaming. You contribute nothing to rational exchanges of ideas. Speaking of childish.

Originally posted by Souljah
Now for which "ruler" in Europe can you claim the same or similar comparison to the Nazi Germany? The French president Chirac?

Good links, Souljah. The parallels are more than a bit creepy; they're downright damning.

I doubt folks who support Bush will be willing to look at these similarities, though.

Interesting, ECK, but there is more similarity with Chirac and Hitler, and the similarities go way back. As a matter of fact, France and Germany has a lot in common.

Look around, as the enemy never attacks where you think he is. You just might be looking at a diversion. They sucker punch us all the time. I can't wait to see how either the EEU OR the US progresses in the next few years.

My paranoia meter is pinging, nowadays.

[edit on 22-4-2005 by Thomas Crowne]

Let me ask the most important question of them all:

why is this topic in "War On Terrorism" forum??

This is clearly political ideology, just like it's sister thread "USA is like 1930 Germany"....

Originally posted by paperclip
Let me ask the most important question of them all:

why is this topic in "War On Terrorism" forum??

This is clearly political ideology, just like it's sister thread "USA is like 1930 Germany"....

Good Question paperclip!



The Answer is: I have no Idea at all!

Originally posted by Souljah
1. On the ProBush.com's "ABOUT US page, we find only this silly little statement - WE HATE BUSH HATERS!"

From Joesph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minster - There are no distinctions between Jews.

This makes absolutely no sense. The first is a response to hatred and is said mostly in jest. Furthermore, ProBush.com does not condone the killing of all those who do hate Bush as Nazis wanted to kill Jews (and Russians, and Poles). This comparison just plain sucks.

2. From the ProBush.com's home page - I had made it clear to the world that either you're with us or you're with the enemy, and that doctrine still stands.

From Joseph Goebbels - The Jews are the enemy's agents among us. He who stands by them aids the enemy.to a quasi socialist state. Some say McCarthy was actually correct and was one of the truest patriots this country has seen in some time.

Again, this makes no sense and has no connection. Bush said that in response to a terrorist strike on the US, declaring that if anyone helped our enemy, then they would be our eneemy as well. Jews have absolutely nothing to do with the statements of Bush what-so-ever.

3. From the newsletter this pathetic site put out 6/28/03 - I will be completely honest with you here. The tide in America is changing, and thanks to the failures of our system during the McCarthy era, the far left in this country has dominated our media and our policy driving us closer and closer to a quasi socialist state. Some say McCarthy was actually correct and was one of the truest patriots this country has seen in some time.

From Joseph Goebbels - How stupid and thoughtless are the arguments of the backward friends of the Jews in the face of a problem that has occupied mankind for millennia! How they would gape if they could ever see their dear Jews in power! But that would be too late. That is why it is the duty of a national leadership to take all necessary measures to keep such a thing from happening.

Again, the Jews have nothing to do with this! Your hatred for them is really showing through here. The very fact that the far LEFT in this country is dominating the airwaves should disprove any notion that the US has a connection to Nazi Germany, as Germany was indoctrinated with Radical right thought.

4. From the same newsletter - You see freedom in America is a fishy topic. Just because freedom is what it is, it can never be limitless. Why would we want to give people the freedom to destroy our system. There is and always have been people in America who express their freedom in a way that would want to bring down the United States. How can we leave that as acceptable. We cannot extend freedom to people who hate our country and want to use it's freedom to destroy it from the inside out.

From Joseph Goebbels - Carelessness here is not only a weakness, it is disregard of duty and a crime against the security of the state. The Jews long for one thing: to reward our foolishness with bloodshed and terror. It must never come to that. One of the most effective defenses is an unforgiving, cold hardness against the destroyers of our people, against the instigators of the war, against those who would benefit if we lose, and therefore also against the victims, if we win.

Again, WHAT IN THE FLYING # do the Jews have to do with this? The first statement is true - people who are oppesed to the US use her freedoms against her, and the 9/11 plane hijackings are a perfect example of that.

5. From the same newsletter - And when the United States starts acting like that again, and we all drop all this privacy nonsense, we'll realize that complete privacy is implicitly bad. It enables people to do things they wouldn't do if everyone knew they were doing it. It enables people to plot maliciously. Should you have privacy with your spouse or significant other. Of course, but should you be able to assemble in a dark corner accountable to no one plotting God knows what? We don't think so.

I can see where this would aply, but frankly this is ONE MANS THOUGHTS! How can you aply HIS OPINION to the MAJORITY OF AMERICANS? :down:

You see, you are twisting things here.

6. Last, and certainly most important, from the same page - Traitor: If you do not support our President's decisions you are a traitor.

From multiple Nazi sources - Adolf Hitler is Germany and Germany is Adolf Hitler. He who takes an oath to Hitler takes an oath to Germany!

Now for which "ruler" in Europe can you claim the same or similar comparison to the Nazi Germany? The French president Chirac?

Are you so stupid as to think there are no people in Europe who have the same thoughts? Again, you use ONE persons words and then aply that to EVERYONE in our country. You are a fool and ignoramus for doing this.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Now, Sminkey, I'm appalled that you'd attack another, calling them childish and the like. How positively dopey of you!

(Yes, I caught my own irony; it was intentional).
The point of saying Hitler is an angel in comparision is just that - a comparison. This is a common way to show that, in comparison to another atrocity, the atrocity that is more well-known pales in comparison. Why are you making this a matter of contention?

America is a free and modern democracy (As if a democracy, which is merely tyranny be the mob, is a good thing), yet the ridiculous comparisons to Pre-WWII Germany is often made.

Also, might you say something that has more meat and potatos and less flaming. You contribute nothing to rational exchanges of ideas. Speaking of childish.

Frankly you are wrong about sminkey. He comes across as very intelligent, an owner of facts and very rational in practically all of his posts, I have not seen him be openly rude and respect him as a poster here. I assume you have read them. Especially compared to the starter of this thread, "American Mad Man: Trigger happy American" *shakes head*. The starting of this thread was childish. It is a reactionary attempt at retalliation, like a baby throwing his toys out of his pram.

Originally posted by Kriz_4
Especially compared to the starter of this thread, "American Mad Man: Trigger happy American" *shakes head*. The starting of this thread was childish. It is a reactionary attempt at retalliation, like a baby throwing his toys out of his pram.

American Mad Man was what someone called me on another site like this, "trigger happy American cowboy" is yet another title bestowed on me, though on this site.

I am just living up to the image that people like yourself have of conservative Americans.

It's funny, if you actually READ my posts, I usually do bring up opinions well supported by facts. Take a look in the aviation forums if you doubt me. Hell, even in the 'America vs. Whoever-the-next-country-to defeat-America-in-war' threads, I back up my claims.

Now, if we are going to talk about childish, let us talk about the never ending America is evil threads on this site. Do a site search on "America" and "Nazi" or "Bush" and "Hitler". What is childish is comparing a country or leader you hate to Nazi Germany or Hitler for the only one reason: to make America look as bad as you can.

Never mind that there is NOTHING alike between the two nations - it fits the anti-america agenda, so it is OK.

THAT is what is childish.

Besides, whatever happened to "deny ignorance?" I very rightly point out that Europe, is in fact closer to the conditions of 1930 Germany then the US is.

Instead of crying about how this is childish, why don'y you prove my statements wrong?

Originally posted by American Mad man
Yup.

And this time they will ban religion, and implement dominating socialistic programs on the population.

- This is simply utterly detached from any reality.
European freedoms and rights are 2nd to none - and advancing over the years.
Just because some US dingbats seem to think we should be 'enshrining' (some version.....no doubt the fundy evangelical one they prefer) of 'Christianity' in our so-called 'EU constitution' (which is nothing like the US one) does not mean there is an 'attack' on religion, Christian or otherwise but a necessary and wise separation of Church and state.

There will be no ban on religion.
Wise up and wake up.......did you miss the Pope's funeral, hmmmm?

This will snow ball untill privately owned buisness is non existant, and their is a cap on your maximum income, where the rest is given to the rest of the country.

- Hmmm a maximum income, nice idea.
At what point shall we say 'enough' and that no-one can reasonably claim to actually 'earn' that kind of amount, hmmm?
Shall we say a person's direct contribution to society starts at 1 million, 5 million or how about 10 million?
Would such a tax really cause anyone any actual 'hardship'; is that supposed to herald the dawn of a new totallitarian brutal horror!?


But actually once again this is simply totally detached from any reality in Europe.

The state share of economic activity (the actual real guage of an increasing state 'command economy') over the last 10yrs has been reducing in every European economy (except the UK's which is very marginally increasing) actually.

You point is simply wrong AMM.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Now, Sminkey, I'm appalled that you'd attack another, calling them childish and the like. How positively dopey of you!

(Yes, I caught my own irony; it was intentional).

- Is that what you took from that?!
So what do you call this whole business of replying to one 'attacking' thread you don't agree with by starting another new and opposite 'attacking' thread?
Adult?

The point of saying Hitler is an angel in comparision is just that - a comparison. This is a common way to show that, in comparison to another atrocity, the atrocity that is more well-known pales in comparison. Why are you making this a matter of contention?

- ....maybe because when one is talking about multi-million murders the idea of comparative 'angelic-ness' is just sickening?
I dunno, maybe it's just me?

America is a free and modern democracy (As if a democracy, which is merely tyranny be the mob, is a good thing), yet the ridiculous comparisons to Pre-WWII Germany is often made.

- I have not and never have made such comparisons; however back on the thread comparing today's USA to 30's Germany you'd be able to see that instead of this dumb traversing multiple threads.

Also, might you say something that has more meat and potatos and less flaming. You contribute nothing to rational exchanges of ideas. Speaking of childish.

- Well I'm willing to bet AMM in particular would disagree with you there.

No doubt he could also suggest a trip to the thread flaming Europe (France and Germany particularly) - the 'stab in the back' one - for enough 'meat and potato to keep you going some time. In fact even here I think you'll find a fair bit of substance in my comments to AMM above.

Flaming? Not contributing?
I think not.

......and I'm sorry but in this case simply saying 'oh, I meant this ironically' is just to (yet again) point out how some Americans have absolutely no clue whatsoever as to what irony actually means as they claim to use it.....which is just a little ironic.

Originally posted by Kriz_4

Frankly you are wrong about sminkey. He comes across as very intelligent, an owner of facts and very rational in practically all of his posts, I have not seen him be openly rude and respect him as a poster here.

- That's very kind of you to say so Kriz, ta very much.

I assume you have read them.

- I wouldn't bank on it.



......and how come I got pulled up by a moderator for using the term "sh*t" the other day and yet AMM is getting away with the language he/she is using, dammit!?


[edit on 21-4-2005 by sminkeypinkey]

Originally posted by sminkeypinkey

- This is simply utterly detached from any reality.
European freedoms and rights are 2nd to none - and advancing over the years.

Well, I meant this in extreme exageration Sminkey.

However, your rights ARE second to the US. You DO NOT have the right to bear arms. That is a VERY important right, as it is the one which allows the others to be defended.

There will be no ban on religion.

France has already banned Muslim women from wearing their traditional head wear in school now haven't they Sminkey?

- Hmmm a maximum income, nice idea.
At what point shall we say 'enough' and that no-one can reasonably claim to actually 'earn' that kind of amount, hmmm?
Shall we say a person's direct contribution to society starts at 1 million, 5 million or how about 10 million?
Would such a tax really cause anyone any actual 'hardship'; is that supposed to herald the dawn of a new totallitarian brutal horror!?

Your true colors are showing through Sminkey. You are a socialist if you believe in an income cap - and again, that was one of the main points of the Nazis as I have so shown.

Seems like you have more in common with Nazis then you care to admit.

......and how come I got pulled up by a moderator for using the term "sh*t" the other day and yet AMM is getting away with the language he/she is using, dammit!?

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was just pathetic...talk about childish

[edit on 21-4-2005 by American Mad Man]