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Europe 2005 is Germany 1930
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In response to the nonsense of a thread started by all the American hating boobs on this site, I have decided to show that EUROPE is in fact much more
like 1930s Nazi Germany then the USA ever could hope to be.
Shall we look this over?
Reasons for Hitlers assention to power
Public feeling, guilt, blame, and responsability
Hitler rose to power in Nazi Germany for many reasons. Among these were the Germans bitterness because of the Versailles treaty and the resulting lack of national pride. Of the treaty, the main clause of contention was 231, which assigned BLAME of WWI to Germany. One of the problems with admiting guilt in this case, was the fact that Germany was supposed to pay reperations to the victims, which they flatly refused.
There is a direct link between this responsability that Nazi Germany did not want to shoulder and the responsability that modern Europe refuses to shoulder. Among these include the current continental problems of Africa and much of the middle east.
Just as Germany refused to pay reperations to France, so to does modern Europe refuse to spend the money to fix the unfathomable problems they have caused with their centuries of imperialism.
In contrast, the US has NEVER started colonies in another land. In fact, the closest thing to colonies the US has are military bases, which were either AGREED on by the nations own government, or are still standing from WWII. In either case, their is absolutely no argument that this constitutes imperialism of any kind.
The Government
Next, take the National Socialist German Workers’ Party 25 point plan, around which Nazi Germany was built.
01) The unity of all German-speaking peoples.
02) The abolition of the Treaty of Versailles.
03) Land and colonies to feed Germany’s population.
04) Only Germans can be citizens. No Jew can be a German citizen.
05) People in Germany who are not citizens must obey special laws for foreigners.
06) Only German citizens can vote, be employed or hold public office.
07) Citizens are entitled to a job and a decent standard of living. If this cannot be achieved, foreigners (with no rights as citizens) should be expelled.
08) No further immigration of non-German must be allowed. All foreigners who have come to Germany since 1914 must be expelled.
09) All citizens have equal rights and duties.
10) The first duty of a citizen is to work.
11) All payments to unemployed people should end.
12) All profits made by profiteers during the war must be shared.
13) Nationalisation of public industries.
14) Large companies must share their profits.
15) Pensions must be improved.
16) Help for small shops and businesses; large department stores** must be closed down.
17) Property reform to give small farmers their land.
18) An all-out battle against criminals, profiteers, etc., who must be punished by death.
19) Reform of the law to make it more German.
20) Improve education so that all Germans can get a job.
21) Improve people’s health by making a law for people to do sport.
22) Abolition of the Army, and a new People’s Army in its place.
23) German newspapers must be free of foreign influence.
24) Freedom of religion.
25) Strong central government with unrestricted authority.
Of all these points, the only 'negative' ones that could be aplied to either the US or Europe would be the socialistic points, such as #13, to Europe. Europe and the US share basic freedom and life improvement points such as #9, 20, 24.
Propaganda
Hitler was a master manipulator of the people. He used a minority (the Jews) to unite his people, blaming as many problems - especially economic - as he could on them.
This too, falls in line with European thinking. The unbelievable doublespeak of the most radical Europeans serves as the best example. On the one hand, the US is portrayed as a great evil dominating force which must be stoped at all cost. We are a small part of the world and yet have a lot of influence. Our corporations are too large, we have too much power, we are rich, and arrogant.
These are all EXACTLY the same things that HITLER said about JEWS. He said they were evil. He said they were a small part of the population yet had all the money. He said they stuck their nose where it didn't belong. They had too much power. They were, in fact, evil according to him, mostly because of their buisness practices.
Yet on the other hand, the Jews were vastly inferior. They were, according to Hitler, genetically inferior in fact. Physically, they were considered weak, and mentally their minds were only good for manipulation, not anything constructive. Hitler, was in fact arrogant himself in his belief that Aryans were so much superior to others.
Now consider the sentiment of some people on the US. Americans are stupid and uneducated. Physically we are inferior because we are fat. Americans, according to the arrogant European types, are both physically and mentally inferior to themselves.
Now, Americans on the other hand have no such sweeping opinions of others. The French are the butt of many of our jokes, but the fact is we don't care enough about any Europeans to truelly dislike anyone else, unlike Europeans who seemingly spend every last drop of effort in their hatred of the US.
Economic Collapse
Germany experienced economic collapse due to hyper inflation. Germany had loans and reperations to pay (loans from the US were recalled because of the great depression, reperations to France from WWI which they could not afford), and simply printed more money in order to pay for it. This, in turn, caused high rates of unemployment in Germany.
Now, comparing the US to Europe, Europe has both a higher unemployment rate and a slower growing economy. While the US does have outstanding loans, they are no where near to what Germany was dealing with in terms of proportion. In addition, the loans could be paid of by the US in under a decade (in 1 year if extreme messures were taken). Not only that, but those nations that hold our loans could not hope to collect these loans without destroying their own economy, thus providing an insurance against this. On the otherhand, Europe has socialistic programs already in place along with a huge (compared to the US) unemployed population (see France and Germany).
Important factors in a dictatorship and other thoughts
An armed vs. unarmed population
There are several over riding things that every dictator needs to accomplish before a population can be controled. The most important however, is dissarming the population. It doesn't matter if you are speaking of Stalin, Hitler, or Saddam. That is the very first thing every dictatorship must accomplish - without it, the population can easilly fight back.
In this regard, there is no comparison between the US and Europe. The US is the most heavilly privately armed population in the world, while all over Europe the people are being stripped of their fundamental right and ability to defend themselves.
Lack of difference in political view
It is very important for a dictator to be liked by the population in the initial moments. What a dictator wants is for everyone to be on the same page politically.
The US hardly fits this profile, as our last two elections have shown. The US is very devided, and every political race becomes a war to barely win. On the other hand, European political thought is much more streamlined, with a heavy socialist influence on economic policy and overall a very liberal mindset. A savy ambitious dictator wunna-be could easilly manipulate this, just as Hitler manipulated people wanting jobs and German patriotism.
In closing
I made this post not to show how close to Nazi Germany Europe is, but to show just how stupid such comparisons are. It is not close to complete, or my best work. I could easily manipulate things to make Europe look as if it were already under fascist rule. But thats the point here, you can really make anyone look as bad as you want if you twist things the way you want them.
For all you out there (GhostSoldier, Anok, etc) who wish to make this comparison - STOP, IT ISN'T THERE!
This idea that the US is in any shape or form close to Nazi Germany is a joke - a complete fabrication of the minds of American hating boobs who wish nothing more then to comfort each other in the thought of how evil America really is.
I for one am sick of it.
Shall we look this over?
Reasons for Hitlers assention to power
Public feeling, guilt, blame, and responsability
Hitler rose to power in Nazi Germany for many reasons. Among these were the Germans bitterness because of the Versailles treaty and the resulting lack of national pride. Of the treaty, the main clause of contention was 231, which assigned BLAME of WWI to Germany. One of the problems with admiting guilt in this case, was the fact that Germany was supposed to pay reperations to the victims, which they flatly refused.
There is a direct link between this responsability that Nazi Germany did not want to shoulder and the responsability that modern Europe refuses to shoulder. Among these include the current continental problems of Africa and much of the middle east.
Just as Germany refused to pay reperations to France, so to does modern Europe refuse to spend the money to fix the unfathomable problems they have caused with their centuries of imperialism.
In contrast, the US has NEVER started colonies in another land. In fact, the closest thing to colonies the US has are military bases, which were either AGREED on by the nations own government, or are still standing from WWII. In either case, their is absolutely no argument that this constitutes imperialism of any kind.
The Government
Next, take the National Socialist German Workers’ Party 25 point plan, around which Nazi Germany was built.
01) The unity of all German-speaking peoples.
02) The abolition of the Treaty of Versailles.
03) Land and colonies to feed Germany’s population.
04) Only Germans can be citizens. No Jew can be a German citizen.
05) People in Germany who are not citizens must obey special laws for foreigners.
06) Only German citizens can vote, be employed or hold public office.
07) Citizens are entitled to a job and a decent standard of living. If this cannot be achieved, foreigners (with no rights as citizens) should be expelled.
08) No further immigration of non-German must be allowed. All foreigners who have come to Germany since 1914 must be expelled.
09) All citizens have equal rights and duties.
10) The first duty of a citizen is to work.
11) All payments to unemployed people should end.
12) All profits made by profiteers during the war must be shared.
13) Nationalisation of public industries.
14) Large companies must share their profits.
15) Pensions must be improved.
16) Help for small shops and businesses; large department stores** must be closed down.
17) Property reform to give small farmers their land.
18) An all-out battle against criminals, profiteers, etc., who must be punished by death.
19) Reform of the law to make it more German.
20) Improve education so that all Germans can get a job.
21) Improve people’s health by making a law for people to do sport.
22) Abolition of the Army, and a new People’s Army in its place.
23) German newspapers must be free of foreign influence.
24) Freedom of religion.
25) Strong central government with unrestricted authority.
Of all these points, the only 'negative' ones that could be aplied to either the US or Europe would be the socialistic points, such as #13, to Europe. Europe and the US share basic freedom and life improvement points such as #9, 20, 24.
Propaganda
Hitler was a master manipulator of the people. He used a minority (the Jews) to unite his people, blaming as many problems - especially economic - as he could on them.
This too, falls in line with European thinking. The unbelievable doublespeak of the most radical Europeans serves as the best example. On the one hand, the US is portrayed as a great evil dominating force which must be stoped at all cost. We are a small part of the world and yet have a lot of influence. Our corporations are too large, we have too much power, we are rich, and arrogant.
These are all EXACTLY the same things that HITLER said about JEWS. He said they were evil. He said they were a small part of the population yet had all the money. He said they stuck their nose where it didn't belong. They had too much power. They were, in fact, evil according to him, mostly because of their buisness practices.
Yet on the other hand, the Jews were vastly inferior. They were, according to Hitler, genetically inferior in fact. Physically, they were considered weak, and mentally their minds were only good for manipulation, not anything constructive. Hitler, was in fact arrogant himself in his belief that Aryans were so much superior to others.
Now consider the sentiment of some people on the US. Americans are stupid and uneducated. Physically we are inferior because we are fat. Americans, according to the arrogant European types, are both physically and mentally inferior to themselves.
Now, Americans on the other hand have no such sweeping opinions of others. The French are the butt of many of our jokes, but the fact is we don't care enough about any Europeans to truelly dislike anyone else, unlike Europeans who seemingly spend every last drop of effort in their hatred of the US.
Economic Collapse
Germany experienced economic collapse due to hyper inflation. Germany had loans and reperations to pay (loans from the US were recalled because of the great depression, reperations to France from WWI which they could not afford), and simply printed more money in order to pay for it. This, in turn, caused high rates of unemployment in Germany.
Now, comparing the US to Europe, Europe has both a higher unemployment rate and a slower growing economy. While the US does have outstanding loans, they are no where near to what Germany was dealing with in terms of proportion. In addition, the loans could be paid of by the US in under a decade (in 1 year if extreme messures were taken). Not only that, but those nations that hold our loans could not hope to collect these loans without destroying their own economy, thus providing an insurance against this. On the otherhand, Europe has socialistic programs already in place along with a huge (compared to the US) unemployed population (see France and Germany).
Important factors in a dictatorship and other thoughts
An armed vs. unarmed population
There are several over riding things that every dictator needs to accomplish before a population can be controled. The most important however, is dissarming the population. It doesn't matter if you are speaking of Stalin, Hitler, or Saddam. That is the very first thing every dictatorship must accomplish - without it, the population can easilly fight back.
In this regard, there is no comparison between the US and Europe. The US is the most heavilly privately armed population in the world, while all over Europe the people are being stripped of their fundamental right and ability to defend themselves.
Lack of difference in political view
It is very important for a dictator to be liked by the population in the initial moments. What a dictator wants is for everyone to be on the same page politically.
The US hardly fits this profile, as our last two elections have shown. The US is very devided, and every political race becomes a war to barely win. On the other hand, European political thought is much more streamlined, with a heavy socialist influence on economic policy and overall a very liberal mindset. A savy ambitious dictator wunna-be could easilly manipulate this, just as Hitler manipulated people wanting jobs and German patriotism.
In closing
I made this post not to show how close to Nazi Germany Europe is, but to show just how stupid such comparisons are. It is not close to complete, or my best work. I could easily manipulate things to make Europe look as if it were already under fascist rule. But thats the point here, you can really make anyone look as bad as you want if you twist things the way you want them.
For all you out there (GhostSoldier, Anok, etc) who wish to make this comparison - STOP, IT ISN'T THERE!
This idea that the US is in any shape or form close to Nazi Germany is a joke - a complete fabrication of the minds of American hating boobs who wish nothing more then to comfort each other in the thought of how evil America really is.
I for one am sick of it.
I actually agree that modern Europe isn't that much unlike Nazi Germany.
The egos of Europeans are bruised and they want to unite to rebuild their broken empires as a single European power that will compete with the U.S. as a world power. But European empires have always brought suffering, bloodshed and heartache to the world, from the Roman Empire, through the kingdoms of the middle ages, the "Holy" Roman Empire, that of Napoleon, and the Third Reich. It's sad really.
The egos of Europeans are bruised and they want to unite to rebuild their broken empires as a single European power that will compete with the U.S. as a world power. But European empires have always brought suffering, bloodshed and heartache to the world, from the Roman Empire, through the kingdoms of the middle ages, the "Holy" Roman Empire, that of Napoleon, and the Third Reich. It's sad really.
Yup.
And this time they will ban religion, and implement dominating socialistic programs on the population.
This will snow ball untill privately owned buisness is non existant, and their is a cap on your maximum income, where the rest is given to the rest of the country.
And this time they will ban religion, and implement dominating socialistic programs on the population.
This will snow ball untill privately owned buisness is non existant, and their is a cap on your maximum income, where the rest is given to the rest of the country.
You could probably even add the Soviet Union to the list of failed European empires that brought disaster, destruction and death to the world.
Yes, the greatest socialistic empire ever, also responsable for the greatest mass murder ever. How many millions did they kill?
43,000,000?
43,000,000?
I doubt we'll ever know how many people died due to the Soviets, but I think it's safe to assume that they made Hitler look like an innocent angel.
Do you 2 want to get a room?
Seriously AMM; this is really really childish, small and totally beneath the objectives of this site (whatever happened to 'deny ignorance?).
To tell you the truth I am surprised you'd go in for simply 'game saying' of another thread; maybe you're a lot younger than I have so far thought?
'Europe' is comprised of free and fully democratic modern liberal democracies (and right there is the end of this ludicrous infantile proposition).
Europe in 2005 is nothing like Germany in 1930.
- That's a really sick way to describe Hitler's mass murder of multi-millions.
"Innocent angel"?! A label you'd publicly apply to the one single individual most responsible for the 50million+ killed in WW2 (including your own country-people in their hundred thousands?!)
Jayzuss, anything (litterally anything) to try and get a sad small lame dig in to what you imagine to be the 'political opposition', right?
Pathetic.
(*hint*.....there are no real commies left anywhere anymore.)
[edit on 21-4-2005 by sminkeypinkey]
Seriously AMM; this is really really childish, small and totally beneath the objectives of this site (whatever happened to 'deny ignorance?).
To tell you the truth I am surprised you'd go in for simply 'game saying' of another thread; maybe you're a lot younger than I have so far thought?
'Europe' is comprised of free and fully democratic modern liberal democracies (and right there is the end of this ludicrous infantile proposition).
Europe in 2005 is nothing like Germany in 1930.
Originally posted by djohnsto77
I doubt we'll ever know how many people died due to the Soviets, but I think it's safe to assume that they made Hitler look like an innocent angel.
- That's a really sick way to describe Hitler's mass murder of multi-millions.
"Innocent angel"?! A label you'd publicly apply to the one single individual most responsible for the 50million+ killed in WW2 (including your own country-people in their hundred thousands?!)
Jayzuss, anything (litterally anything) to try and get a sad small lame dig in to what you imagine to be the 'political opposition', right?
Pathetic.
(*hint*.....there are no real commies left anywhere anymore.)
[edit on 21-4-2005 by sminkeypinkey]
Good post.
you got :
and its amaze to see how this fit to some european countries.
I live in Switzerland now for more than 5 years now (im european (portuguese) who lived long time in South America), and i can say if you replace GERMANS by SWISS that could be explicity applied to their laws here.
No wonder why their economy is falling so quickly.
Cant wait to return to american continent as soon as possible.
you got :
You have voted American Mad Man for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.
and its amaze to see how this fit to some european countries.
04) Only Germans can be citizens. No Jew can be a German citizen.
05) People in Germany who are not citizens must obey special laws for foreigners.
06) Only German citizens can vote, be employed or hold public office.
07) Citizens are entitled to a job and a decent standard of living. If this cannot be achieved, foreigners (with no rights as citizens) should be expelled.
25) Strong central government with unrestricted authority.
I live in Switzerland now for more than 5 years now (im european (portuguese) who lived long time in South America), and i can say if you replace GERMANS by SWISS that could be explicity applied to their laws here.
No wonder why their economy is falling so quickly.
Cant wait to return to american continent as soon as possible.
Originally posted by Krpano
if you replace GERMANS by SWISS that could be explicity applied to their laws here.
- Yeah, let's have a list of US law that applies specifically to US citizens?
This 'point' is risible.
No wonder why their economy is falling so quickly.
- Jayzuss, more fairy tales!
.....cos the Swiss economy is (another) basket case, right?
[edit on 21-4-2005 by sminkeypinkey]
Well done SminkeyPinkey.....
What an incredibly pathetic post.
Though, I personally can't wait for the demise of privately owned business' and the banning of religion....ahhh Utopia.
What an incredibly pathetic post.
Though, I personally can't wait for the demise of privately owned business' and the banning of religion....ahhh Utopia.
I made this post not to show how close to Nazi Germany Europe is, but to show just how stupid such comparisons are. It is not close to complete, or my best work. I could easily manipulate things to make Europe look as if it were already under fascist rule. But thats the point here, you can really make anyone look as bad as you want if you twist things the way you want them.
For all you out there (GhostSoldier, Anok, etc) who wish to make this comparison - STOP, IT ISN'T THERE!
This idea that the US is in any shape or form close to Nazi Germany is a joke - a complete fabrication of the minds of American hating boobs who wish nothing more then to comfort each other in the thought of how evil America is.
I think you should have read this Sminkey before you started flaming. The point was THESE COMPARISONS whether about the US or EUROPE ARE STUPID, and COMPLETLY FALLACIOUS.
end of story. I am from Canada by the way....I do not condone everything the US does but I have to agree with AMM on these ridiculous posts. I might add that they certainly do have nothing with denying ignorance, which is why he is slamming them.
[edit on 21-4-2005 by jawapunk]
[edit on 21-4-2005 by jawapunk]
Originally posted by jawapunk
I think you should have read this Sminkey before you started flaming.
- I'm sorry but I really do not believe I am flaming anybody here with this.
The point was THESE COMPARISONS whether about the US or EUROPE ARE STUPID, and COMPLETLY FALLACIOUS.
- .....well then the place to deal with it is surely in the original thread, not start a spat of new ridiculous ones.
I think these posts prove conclusively that americans and Europeans are too stupid to be allowed to talkin public.
Originally posted by Uncle Joe
I think these posts prove conclusively that americans and Europeans are too stupid to be allowed to talkin public.
Ah...the old "reverse unification" ploy, Uncle Joe becomes our common enemy and we have to unify to destroy him, it'll never work.
Get him guys.....doh...!!
Im sorry, its just that all these 'Nazi' threads are total nonsense and it really annoys me to see people bicker over trivial crap.
most of that could be applied to the US as well.
treaties the us has pulled out of:
Landmine Treaty
1972 treaty banning biological of germ warfare
World Conference Against Racism
Failed to ratify three of the six core Human Rights treaties
The US was rejected from the United Nations Human Rights Committee in 2001
Kyoto agreement
nuclear inspections treaty
ABM Treaty
Pollution Register Treaty
Low-Yield Nuclear Weapons Research Ban
international criminal court
tobacco ban treaty
Cheap Drugs For Worlds Poor
UN Cairo Program on Population Control
UN Treaty on Cluster Mines
Sneaking Into Foreign Countries and Kidnapping Suspects
Global Small Arms Ban
International Aid For Family Planning Groups Because Of Abortion
amongst many many more violations of international law
treaties the us has pulled out of:
Landmine Treaty
1972 treaty banning biological of germ warfare
World Conference Against Racism
Failed to ratify three of the six core Human Rights treaties
The US was rejected from the United Nations Human Rights Committee in 2001
Kyoto agreement
nuclear inspections treaty
ABM Treaty
Pollution Register Treaty
Low-Yield Nuclear Weapons Research Ban
international criminal court
tobacco ban treaty
Cheap Drugs For Worlds Poor
UN Cairo Program on Population Control
UN Treaty on Cluster Mines
Sneaking Into Foreign Countries and Kidnapping Suspects
Global Small Arms Ban
International Aid For Family Planning Groups Because Of Abortion
amongst many many more violations of international law
we were ejected from the human rights treaty because Cuba arrests political people, reporters criticising the Cuban gov, professors talking against
the Cuban gov. thats why the UN was proud to bring in Castro's govenrment. they are better at human rights then Americans.
it's obvious what's gotta happen to the big ego's of Americans and Europeans............
Your countries to be Taken Over By Australia! then you can have all the drunken nights, BBQ's at the beach and political apathy you could ever want.
You know our former prime minister Bob Hawke held the guiness world record for being able to drink 2.5 pints of beer in 11 seconds? apparently the worlds fastest consumption of beer.
Now that's a politician you can take to the bank!
thanks,
drfunk
[edit on 21-4-2005 by drfunk]
Your countries to be Taken Over By Australia! then you can have all the drunken nights, BBQ's at the beach and political apathy you could ever want.
You know our former prime minister Bob Hawke held the guiness world record for being able to drink 2.5 pints of beer in 11 seconds? apparently the worlds fastest consumption of beer.
Now that's a politician you can take to the bank!
thanks,
drfunk
[edit on 21-4-2005 by drfunk]
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Seriously AMM; this is really really childish, small and totally beneath the objectives of this site (whatever happened to 'deny ignorance?).
Deny ignorance, as in the ignorant boobs who constantly rant about America being Nazi Germany. This post is completely in line with the objectives of this site - to educate and inform. I am informing the many well to do, but American hating boobs that constantly preach Americas Nazi ways.
What is wrong with that? Don't you agree that they are wrong with their comparisons of the US to Nazi Germany?
To tell you the truth I am surprised you'd go in for simply 'game saying' of another thread; maybe you're a lot younger than I have so far thought?
I would imagine I am at least your age Sminky. The point of this thread seems understood by everyone except you.
'Europe' is comprised of free and fully democratic modern liberal democracies (and right there is the end of this ludicrous infantile proposition).
Europe in 2005 is nothing like Germany in 1930.
And the same aplies to the US. So where were you to kick and scream on the hate America thread Sminky? It seems since it served your hate America propaganda objective you fell silent.
What happened to deny ignorancce there Sminky?
Hey AAM, what's the point of this thread?
You copy-pasted some facts about how Hitler rose to power, but I dont see any connections between that and the Europe today. Who is the Hitler of Europe Today then in your opinion? Who is this Evil Dictator that you are comparing to Hitler? Who is this Evil Country that you are comparing to befor WW2 Germany?
All I can see is a counter-punch to thread of ghostsoldier - but without any real Facts and Connections with Europe today and Nazi Germany of 1930.
You copy-pasted some facts about how Hitler rose to power, but I dont see any connections between that and the Europe today. Who is the Hitler of Europe Today then in your opinion? Who is this Evil Dictator that you are comparing to Hitler? Who is this Evil Country that you are comparing to befor WW2 Germany?
All I can see is a counter-punch to thread of ghostsoldier - but without any real Facts and Connections with Europe today and Nazi Germany of 1930.
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