Why Such An Uproar Over Non-US Citizens With H1-B Work Visas.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Nicola Tesla was a visionary. Elon Musk is just another bull# artist.

You know,

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
So Elon is pro H1B visa and people are upset? Did I get this right?

H1B is a valid path to come here and work, unlike criminals and rubbish swimming across the Rio Grand funded by the democrat party.

I paid a lot of money personally for my wife to immigrate legally, and a lot of other loopholes to jump through. Big fees involved with it all as well. That was the K1 Visa.

Maybe I missed the actual outrage going around and it has some other valid reason to be upset at Elon?

This appears to me to be some CIA sponsored psyop to harm the incoming administration and taint Elon's involvement with it.

You know, showing there is a legal path for people violates the agenda.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

They aren't going to get a pass. Expanding -something- before fixing -anything- isn't going to fly.

Trump in 2016

March 03, 2016
"Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."

I'm all for the best and brightest being brought in. I'm fine with them having a path to permanent status rather than being indentured servants. Most people are fine with that when we have employed existing talent domestically at market wages that reflect the purchasing power of the dollar and ended the fraud, but not before.

H1-B visa should be limited to prevent any business from using it to out source all their work force.

originally posted by: Echo007
H1-B visa should be limited to prevent any business from using it to out source all their work force.

Pretty sure it already is a thing that immigration officers do. The company sponsoring the H1B applicant must show that they can't get anyone already a citizen here to hire on. That there is a shortage of the specific skill set here in the USA before that Visa would be approved. (At least that is how it is supposed to work).

a reply to: ksihkahe

It's not about the best and the brightest. Tech Bros want cheap labor. That's what it amounts to.

There's going to be a split between those who can see through the BS & corruption and are willing to stand up to it vs. those who refuse to see it and refuse to stand against it.
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a reply to: cherokeetroy

Tesla refused to monetize, Elon isn't making that mistake. That alone gives him an edge, not to mention he's literally inventing a new currency.

a reply to: ksihkahe

March 03, 2016
"Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."

compare that statement from 2016 to his statement from today:

a reply to: AdultMaleHumanUK

They're not skilled.

The program is saturated with fraud.

Line cooks, video game writers, pickle ball coaches, track coaches, plumbers...

Why hire an American citizen when you can use foreign labor at 1/2 the cost.

And they can't quit or they get sent back.

originally posted by: AdultMaleHumanUK
a reply to: WeMustCare
I've never looked into it, but the H1B scheme sounds like the sensible controlled immigration that any sensible nation would preferably want.

Who's criticising/complaining about temporary work visas for skilled people?
Was it just a Musk hater failing to make a silly point???🤣

It's the "abusive" use of H1B that people are upset about.

The H-1B has become a political flashpoint. Critics point to abuses including replacement of U.S. workers by visa holders, while the tech industry lobbies to boost the annual cap on new visas past 85,000.

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Because of Cognizant’s preference for Indian workers, it seeks as many visas as possible, and the company has become a top recipient of H-1B visas by submitting visa applications tied to “jobs that do not exist,” the lawsuit alleged.

Rules for the H-1B require companies applying for it to have a job the visa holder will fill, Hira noted. Obtaining visas for non-existent jobs “crowds out companies that are looking for the one real worker that they want,” Hira said.

insider.govtech.com...#:~:text=The%20H%2D1B%20has%20become,on%20new%20vis as%20past%2085%2C000.

Several people - American citizens - qualified - were in Cognizant's employment and moved around and replaced by non-citizen workers. Kind of like Disney just did, had American employees train their non-citizen replacements. And it isn't just Cognizant and Disney who do this with H-1B visa holders.

Gives the phrase "Melting pot" a whole new meaning, eh?


eudocs.net...


Feels more like a Salad Bowl without the tomato's.

originally posted by: starvosan
A nation of 340 million people does not need to import ANYONE from abroad. Americans don't need any more competition for housing, jobs, and other resources. It is immigration that is the prime driver behind the homeless crisis. STOP THE MADNESS!

a reply to: StoutBroux

This is endemic across every sector possible; the only reason I'm insulated is due to the nature of having government clearance and requiring US citizenship to work my specific job role. Otherwise, I work alongside H1B holders every day. Do they deserve the spots they have? Absolutely, they're very well qualified for them. Are there not US citizens that are just as qualified to fill those spots? I know my network is full of qualified folks with education, etc., who meet the criteria. They're only looking for competitive pay and the possibility of remote work. That's the only differentiator. I imagine it's a combination of the two that are really chapping folks' asses; god forbid you to ask for competitive pay and/or remote work options for a better work/life balance. We can't be having that.

Additionally, this is from ISC2, one of the premier experts in cybersecurity knowledge in my field,

Overall, the data revealed that 90% of organizations have skills gaps within their security teams. In particular, and despite it not being a high priority for hiring managers, over one-third of respondents still cited AI as the biggest skills shortfall in the teams. This was followed by cloud computing (30%), zero trust (27%), incident response (25%), application security, and penetration testing (both 24%).

. Do we think that H1B visa holders make up that gap in AI, or is that something we're all catching up on? Cloud, ZTNA, IR, devsecops, or pen-testing as areas that folks in the US have never focused on? I've had the opportunity to work with other countries in these areas; they're just as deficient as we are, so it can't be that.

Or maybe it's the cost savings and having asses in seats. That's my experience from the front lines of these staffing and skills-based headaches. That's just me as a hiring manager who has quotas to fulfill. H1B is perfectly fine as long as our citizens aren't also in line.

/rant

These are skilled IT jobs being outsourced to lowest cost supplier. Used to be just India but has expanded to China and some Eastern European countries. This has been going on for a long time, like 20+ years, and is big time abused. It's supposed to be limited to specialized tech positions where they can't find US employees but it has worked like a pipeline of low cost labor. I know my large corporation has probably outsourced at least half of IT now.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: WeMustCare
Saturday, December 28, 2024

If people are non-citizens, but are here legally and working, what's the problem? There seems to be a big uproar over a federal government program called H1-B that enables them to be legally employed while in the USA...

Siriam Krishnan’s appointment as a senior policy adviser for artificial intelligence in the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy sparked a widespread debate over the H1-B visa program.

Conservatives have slammed the program as “abusive” and said it is designed to undercut wages of white-collar Americans. Vivek Ramaswamy supercharged the debate when he claimed that America “has venerated mediocrity over excellence.”

Musk is a vehement supporter of the H1-B visa program.

One X user on Friday stated, “Let’s optimize H1-B,” a reference to Musk’s belief that things that should not exist should not be optimized.

“The reason I’m in America along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla and hundreds of other companies that made America strong is because of H1B,” Musk raged in response to the X user.

“Take a big step back and FUC'K YOURSELF in the face. I will go to war on this issue the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend.”

The foul-mouthed command is a paraphrase of a line from the 2008 comedy film Tropic Thunder.

Continued at: www.breitbart.com...

--For those like me who never thought much about the subject before this week, here's a summary of the H1-B program...

Who qualifies for an H-1B visa?

U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services says the H-1B visa is geared toward professionals with a "theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge," and who have a bachelor's degree or higher in their field.

Those professionals also need to have been offered a temporary job by a U.S. company, which must offer a wage that's not lower than that paid to similarly qualified workers or below the prevailing wage for the job in the geographic area where that person will be working.

More at: www.cbsnews.com...

Are these professionals called MIGRANTS or IMMIGRANTS...or does it matter what label is affixed to them? I've worked with professionals from other countries in the I.T. software field, but never thought to ask them what their citizenship status was. It wasn't important. Describing how things worked (or didn't) "back home", was usually the topic of discussion.

-WeMustCare 😎

I see both sides of this issue. Yes a company should have the option to hire the best in the world. However the down side is this is a method how China steals intellectual property. They send in candidates that spy on US companies and report to Beijing. But like everything the government does it has its good and bad points.

One of the problems that accompanies being a world super power in so many things.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: WeMustCare

Are these professionals called MIGRANTS or IMMIGRANTS...or does it matter what label is affixed to them? I've worked with professionals from other countries in the I.T. software field, but never thought to ask them what their citizenship status was. It wasn't important. Describing how things worked (or didn't) "back home", was usually the topic of discussion.

They're alien foreign nationals allowed to stay in the U.S. for extended periods from three to six years at a time, then have to reset for a full year before coming back again. there are wiggle strategies that shysters use to get extensions for some.

Under U.S. law, a foreign worker with an H-1B visa can stay in the U.S. for a maximum of six years (plus extensions in certain circumstances, discussed below). The H-1B visa and status is initially valid for three years and can then be extended for another three years. At the expiration of the maximum period of stay, the foreign worker must either leave the U.S. or obtain a different immigration status (such as an F-1 student or O-1 "extraordinary ability" worker). After spending a full year abroad, a new six-year clock begins
How Long an H-1B Worker Can Stay in the United States

Oh...Not Migrants or Immigrants. "Alien Foreign Nationals" is the proper terminology for H-1B visitors.

Understood. Thankyou for the education lesson!

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
So Elon is pro H1B visa and people are upset? Did I get this right?

H1B is a valid path to come here and work, unlike criminals and rubbish swimming across the Rio Grand funded by the democrat party.

I paid a lot of money personally for my wife to immigrate legally, and a lot of other loopholes to jump through. Big fees involved with it all as well. That was the K1 Visa.

Maybe I missed the actual outrage going around and it has some other valid reason to be upset at Elon?

This appears to me to be some CIA sponsored psyop to harm the incoming administration and taint Elon's involvement with it.

Several sectors of U.S. society and government are indeed in shock that Vivek, Elon, RFK, jr., Tulsi, and Manchin are on the same team now. Even MAGA-Trump followers would not have believed this alliance was remotely possible, just 12 months ago.
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originally posted by: xuenchen
As the H1b visa system is getting slightly abused and some payoffs are lucrative, most of the recent mass sensationalism is coming from Democrat anti-MAGA PR BS. 😁

Democrats and MSM are indeed trying to make this "spat" bigger than it is. But after their epic fails at get Trump, protect Biden, and anointing Kamala, their analysis and opinions mean absolutely NUTHING. 🤡

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
This issue goes beyond the corruption behind the work visas. Elon, the championship of free speech, pro 1st Amendment, has been censoring /deleting accounts on his own platform. He's not the "Patriot" you all want to believe he is.

Elon is demonstrating why he can never be second-fiddle to anyone. He was charged with finding waste. Musk and Ramaswamy found and itemized $1 Trillion in less than 2 weeks.

Now, they're realizing how our lazy corrupted Congress will do what government does, and pick over those recommendations one-by-one. After a year, maybe 1/10th...($100 billion) of the $1 Trillion recommendation will have been "saved".

Apparently, Elon wants to do more than recommend savings that Congress will dither over, for years. Maybe he'll run out patience (very likely!) and return to doing what made him the world's richest person.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

Yep. The boss has spoken. To repeat...

President-elect Donald Trump says he has “always been in favor” of the H-1B visa program that imports hundreds of thousands of foreign workers, primarily from India, to take white-collar American jobs.

“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas,” Trump told the New York Post of the H-1B visa program. “That’s why we have them.”

“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B,” Trump continued. “I have used it many times. It’s a great program.”

Source: www.breitbart.com...

Summary: THE PROGRAM IS NOT GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED. But there will be "tweaks" to reduce the certain fraud that all U.S. government programs attract.