Salvatore Pais confirms science in MH370 videos are real during live stream

originally posted by: lostgirl

Based on the recordings of air traffic control and the pilot & co-pilot, the final voice heard from the cockpit is irrefutably an American accent - Here's a link to the documentary from 2014 where the recordings can be heard:

MH370 Documentary

It's about 6.5 minutes in the video, but what you say is not only not "irrefutable", but the pilot's wife refutes it by saying that was the voice of her husband, and I'm sure she knows the voice of her husband better than I do. The recorded voice is not that clear. There was some initial confusion that it might have been the copilot, before the pilot's wife confirmed it was her husband's voice, which may be why the documentary didn't identify the voice.

MH370 Mystery Deepens With Flaperon Confirmation

Three months after disappearance, Shah’s wife Faizah Khanum told Waikato Times that the voice from the cockpit delivering the final sign-off “good night Malaysian 370” was that of her husband – not Shah’s copilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid, as the airline had previously suggested.

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Lazy88

I could not care less if mainstream debunkers like Corridor Crew and Mick West say its fake,

I just showed you they were fake. From the stock images found by Reddit users. The clouds are static in that they should change over time. Not only from cloud’s naturally move, but the perspective of the satellite should change as the aircraft move through the frames. To composition errors like the contrails uncharacteristically jump around. The debunking is a literal slam dunk.

You have whole sects of various internet uses showing and proving the videos are a hoax.

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Lazy88
I will form my own opinion. The logic they use to "debunk" these videos could literally be applied to any video on the internet.

The videos use stock footage found on the internet is not an opinion, it’s a demonstrable and proven fact.


quote]originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Lazy88

When you get a chance, take a look at how people reacted to the Tic Tac video

Care to start a thread where “mainstream debunkers like Corridor Crew and Mick West say its fake” claimed those videos were nothing but CGI composites?

This thread is about MH370 videos. Which are proven to be a hoax.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I've always found this case quite baffling.
Not having the technical knowledge to fully understand things I've never done a particularly deep dive on it but have tried to keep up to date on developments and theories without having any predisposed opinion.
One thing I can say is I find it incredibly unlikely that its disappearance was due to some sort of alien intervention.

Over the years I've learned to put a lot of stock in your opinions and theories and even though I may disagree on some things they always deserve respect and consideration.

Your theory on this subject seems to be more likely than some of the more 'out there' theories.

The one thing I don't get is the pilots motivation.
If it was to become a religious martyr then surely he would have been more likely to try and crash his plane into a populated area or some sort of iconic or famous building/landmark etc.
To crash it in some remote part of a huge ocean without leaving any indication of his reasoning sort of adds weight to the theory that it wasn't suicide.

If it wasn't suicide then what was it because as you quite clearly point out those turns seem deliberate....if they were intentional then they served some purpose and seem to indicate some intended final destination.

If the intention was to land at Diego Garcia surely that would have increased the risk of exposure - the more people involved in a conspiracy the more likely it is to be exposed.
But if it was and it didn't reach there does that indicate it was prevented from doing so by another agency/government?
Just wondering aloud.

I have no solid theories just a few uneducated questions.....but it is all very curious.

a reply to: chr0naut

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Military radar saw the plane turn around to travel over the Andaman Sea before it vanished, and satellite data showed it continued to fly for hours, possibly until it ran out of fuel. The plane is believed to have crashed in a remote part of the southern Indian Ocean.

www.pbs.org... ns-biggest-mysteries

Tracking and communications, the evidence shows 370 was in the air long enough that running out of fuel was a real possibility.

a reply to: Freeborn

The one thing I don't get is the pilots motivation. If it was to become a religious martyr then surely he would have been more likely to try and crash his plane into a populated area or some sort of iconic or famous building/landmark etc.
To crash it in some remote part of a huge ocean without leaving any indication of his reasoning sort of adds weight to the theory that it wasn't suicide.

So, this is a good point / question. Here's my take on it. It's a little bit convoluted, so bear with me. In Islam you can't become a martyr via straight-up suicide. Terrorism, on the other hand, where some jihadi straps on a bomb and blows up himself up and takes a bunch of others with him, isn't considered "suicide" but rather martyrdom. But there's more to it than just this in the case of MH370.

Zahari was not only Muslim, but he was also Malaysian (a culture I am very familiar with having lived there). In Malaysia the concept of "saving face" is a deeply ingrained cultural value. In the west we also have it in the form of 'ego', but it's not nearly as strongly impressed on everyone. The big difference is, ego is generally only about self, whereas the 'saving face' in Malaysia is about all Malaysians and the entire country's reputation in the eyes of other cultures. In other words, as a Malaysian, you don't do something which will embarrass the entire nation. This left Zahari in a bit of a conundrum, IMO. Consequently, MH370 had to 'look' like a tragic incident (to outsiders), so Malaysia would save face. But on a religious level Zahari also knew he would only be answering to Allah after the fact, so on that level he could achieve martyrdom. If it wasn't for this element, then he could have just as easily crashed the plane in an obvious fashion as you suggest.

For these reasons, Zahari knew he had to concoct an elaborate plan which looked like an accident. This explains several things about the incident. First, it explains the flight simulator flights out over the Indian Ocean which were found on his elaborate home flight simulator. Zahari needed to run multiple simulations to scheme out where the plane would wind up based on a few key turns near Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. Would it be far enough to never be discovered? Etc. Second, it explains why the Malaysian government tried so desperately to dismiss this information as well as conceal virtually everything they knew about Zahari for months following the incident. Lastly, I'm pretty confident that the Malay government found scores of other evidence which has never been revealed which clearly points to Zahari as the perpetrator.

I always found it curious the fact that any mentions about the flight simulator (very quickly glossed over, BTW) all were quick to point out that all of his 'flights' were "incomplete". But if you think about it, it all makes sense. He didn't need to see the flight end; he already knew what would happen then. He only needed to see where the flight went after Indonesia. The Malaysians were always quick to point out the flights were incomplete, thinking this would cause people to look elsewhere, not realizing this was one of the biggest clues of all.

That's my take on how the plan came to fruition.

a reply to: chr0naut

I said I wasn't going to reply on this theme anymore, but I want to point one last thing out.

Yes, maybe I am in denial, but my denial is based on likelihood of events, not emotion.

Once again, we must apply Occam's Razor to this incident and your alleged US plot theme.

These (20) scientists you claim as the motivation for the CIA wanting to bring down the airliner, these people didn't make their reservations 2-3 years in advance. They likely made them within days of getting onboard the flight. The US would have had no advance knowledge of this. What this means is, this elaborate plan to vanish MH370, something which would require almost biblical planning else it become a major international incident, had to come together within days, and then be approved by the highest levels of the US government (including Obama himself likely). This wouldn't have been some low level black op. So, for your plan to work, all of this would have had to fall into place in a matter of a couple days. The US government simply doesn't move that quickly...ever.

Secondly, these (20) scientists you speak of, you make them seem like the most valuable people to have graced science. Did these people control the fate of the World? I don't think so, and that's how important they would have needed to be in order for such a clandestine operation to make them disappear to be planned, let alone approved. Wouldn't it have just been easier to take them out, one by one, via other means? Why take (273) other innocent people with them?

I'll leave it there.

a reply to: Lazy88

man, for someone on a conspiracy site, you don't really like to think for yourself huh?
the logic the folks on reddit follow could be used to debunk literally any video on the internet. if you're so adamant about the clouds moving, why don't you show me what satellite footage at that distance actually looks like? lets just compare to proven footage then.

I dont' think you realize the amount of detail in the videos, but sure, lets go ahead and say the videos are hoaxes and try to lay out a logical story. SOME of the requirements needed to make this video would be:

- two months to create the videos from the event happening (March 8 the plane disappeared / May 19 the videos were on youtube)
- they just happened to make a hoax about a plane that still hasn't been found after 10 years (what a coincidence!)
- no reference to copy from (in 2014, there was nothing that looked like these videos; NO ONE was talking about orbs, not even on this site)
- need to know how to create realistic volumetric clouds
- recreate exactly what MH370 looks like (for the drone video)
- What the turn radius of a Boeing 777 is at a certain altitude and in descent
- Accurate coordinate shifts relative to the location
- How to animate the coordinates shifts
- How/why to make the satellite video look like a cropped screen recording
- What the weather was like in the Nicobar islands
- Aware of the fire scenario (smoke coming out the back due to the batteries being stored)
- How to accurately create the smoke trailing the plane using particles in two videos
- Knowledge of military classified systems unknown to the public
- What satellites the US have in operation and what their payload is NOSS USA-229
- What false color IR looks like
- How to animate orbs including the heat signature that rotates on the axis
- What a MQ-1C drone looks like
- Where that payload is located to get the exact camera angle
- Understanding of zero point scalar interferometry and mixed wave interferometry
- Understanding of topological monopoles before the science was publicly published

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

you make an awful lot of assumptions there. why are you assuming TWENTY scientists would make plans to deflect to China just a few days before a flight? that sounds absurd. also, the fact that a company would allow 20 of their most important employees board the same flight is ridiculous - there's no corporate travel policy in existence that would've allowed that.

and if these scientists are as important as we think they are, I think it's pretty likely the CIA was already watching them closely. and if there's anything we've learned throughout history, it's that the CIA likes to act with impunity.

a reply to: b0kal0ka

Which had nothing to do with the videos being CGI against a static backdrop.



The background and effects are from stock footage.

Again. From stock video.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: ArMaP


The color video is claimed to be from satellite because it’s highly unlikely with no evidence there was anything in the area to film it. If it was civilian or in most cases military it would have a transponder. Unless stealth, it wound be on radar. A ballon over the ocean that happen to be in the flight path of 370? With video ability to film the jet? Why would a military assets film 370? And not through the heads up display? Civilians aircraft would have a transponder broadcasting. And most likely would film through a window.

Any record of aircraft in the area would be included in the flight 370 investigation.

But it’s worse than that. From the way pixels stack, the crappy resolution, the use of static backgrounds, and stock footage. The videos are a hoax.

Anyway. The “explosion” for this video is also found to be from stock footage.

MH370 Teleportation Video Fakery: Clouds Stock Footage Found!!

As pointed out by Mick West. There is a composition error in the hoaxed thermal video. The contrails uncharacteristically / unrealistically jump around.

a reply to: Lazy88

I'm done engaging with you until you actually address the points I make.

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Lazy88

- they just happened to make a hoax about a plane that still hasn't been found after 10 years (what a coincidence!)

By all means, show the trail of the original posting of the videos and where they claimed it was MH370?


Added. History.

MH370 went missing on March 8, 2014. Ten weeks after that, an anonymous YouTuber, RegicideAnon, posted a video that purported to be a stereo satellite image of a plane. The video (since deleted but still available on archive.org) shows some clouds over a blue ocean background. A plane, banking steeply, flies into view from the top left.

About fifteen seconds later, a white orb-like object flies in and begins to loop around the plane. It’s joined a few seconds later by two more. The three orbs orbit the plane as it levels out; then there’s a sudden flash of light, and the plane and orbs vanish without a trace.

It was a simple-looking fake, something any artist could knock out in a few days with common tools such as Blender and After-Effects. Most people recognized this and paid it very little attention. It had little impact but gained a steady trickle of views.

Three weeks later, a second video was released. This showed what looked like the same scene, but now from the perspective of a military drone filming with a thermal camera. Again, the plane flies into view, the orbs follow it, and then it vanishes in a flash. Again, most people assumed—quite correctly—that it was fake, and no one really paid it any attention.

That should have been the end of it. But fast-forward to 2023. People on the Reddit forum r/UFOs suddenly rediscovered the videos. Reddit user Voelkero posted links to the video and commented, “My hope is that some of you will be able to conclusively prove that it is faked.”

skepticalinquirer.org...

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Lazy88

- need to know how to create realistic volumetric clouds

Again. The video was created using stock footage of clouds as a static background.



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b0kal0ka you are just trolling at this point.

a reply to: Lazy88

the clouds are not static man. again, show me some actual satellite footage from that distance then for us to see how fast the clouds should move.

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Lazy88

the clouds are not static man. again, show me some actual satellite footage from that distance then for us to see how fast the clouds should move.

Why doesn’t that show up in my gif. Hmmm



Can you get the same result right from the video without relying on x.

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originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Lazy88

- recreate exactly what MH370 looks like (for the drone video)

It’s called photoshop.😂😂😂

Infrared Photo Effect With Photoshop

www.photoshopessentials.com...

Written by Steve Patterson.
In this Photoshop Effects tutorial, we're going to learn how to simulate the look of infrared photography in Photoshop. We'll be taking a look at Photoshop's Channels palette and seeing how to isolate a color channel as well as how to apply filters to color channels, we'll be using adjustment layers, specifically the Channel Mixer adjustment layer to adjust how much impact each individual channel has on the image, we'll be using a few different layer blend modes, adding some noise, and at the end, seeing how to bring some of the color from the original image back into the effect

I don’t have photoshop on my phone. I could do this with just playing with photo settings.





Your video…



Vs real aircraft…

Thermal Images

tyronefoto.com...

What was that you posted about fire?

originally posted by: b0kal0ka
a reply to: Lazy88


- I've already stated the vapor from the plane is actually smoke coming from the 500 pounds of lithium batteries.

That doesn’t show up on the thermal imaging?

And has what to do with the contrails that unrealistically show up and jump around?



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a reply to: b0kal0ka

Keep on trolling tough guy.

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a reply to: b0kal0ka

Well, that settles it then! The US government, using unexplainable UFO-like technology harvested from aliens, forced MH370 to vanish out of the sky.

Case closed. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along now.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: b0kal0ka

Well, that settles it then! The US government, using unexplainable UFO-like technology harvested from aliens, forced MH370 to vanish out of the sky.

Case closed. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along now.

You need to make a YouTube video. People like b0kal0ka will buy in to it and make foot traffic for ya!

Gots to know your target audience to get those subscribers!

I'll ask again, show me some actual satellite footage from that distance then for us to see how fast the clouds should move. that gif I posted is in the top right of your gif - right where the zap happens.

The reason the plane in the videos is MH370 is because its literally the only missing 777 in humanity's history. The videos just happen to show the shape of a 777 (what a coincidence!).

Also, if you look at the belly of the plane in the thermal (where the cargo is located), you'll see that it's much hotter than the rest of the plane. and the "contrails" are jumping because the drone that's recording is moving - not necessarily the smoke jumping.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

you guys can continue to make a mockery of me if you'd like, but I've yet to see a good reason why or how these videos were hoaxed.