Tommy Robinson jailed again.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: SprocketUK

It's just how the cookie crumbles.

Pleading guilty means everything SprocketUK.

Because you just admitted culpability.

Same as pissing off judges equate to them handing down custodial sentences.

And here is the thing.

When you try and appeal your sentence, it dont look too good that you choose to plead guilty.

As to what Morgan meant, that remains to be established, but i think it is rather clear he crafted his words and actions so as not to incur the wrath of the law.

Tommy, not so much.

Yet it doesn't mean a thing, pleading guilty, those poor buggers from Ireland were guilty only of being Irish at a time when some of their countrymen were blowing stuff up.


there is only doubt about what Morgan said if you choose to be one eyed about it. i have no doubt at all about what he meant. Nor do you if you are being honest with yourself.

The Birmingham 6 didn't plead guilty.

They were convicted based, at least partly, on forced confessions but it went to trial

There is absolutely no doubt of Robinson's guilt which is why he pled guilty. He can possibly appeal his sentence but he remains guilty.

And trying to compare Robinson to the Birmingham 6 is just ridiculous, what next a remix version of specials 'Nelson Mandela'

a reply to: SprocketUK

Apples and oranges through, ones a murder trial involving pub bombings and terrorism.

And the other a contempt of court charge, from a known convicted criminal.

On the scales of justice, they are just not equal, even her being blind does not help there.

And thats how the "system" would interpret the matter.

As to what Morgan said, it's not about how you or i choose to see it, it's about how the law does.

Again i cant stand the man, or Tommy for that matter and make no bones about it.

But "The Clash" said it best "I fought the law and the law won".

And at the end of the day that's the colour of ours.

Edit: Looking into it as well, and as BedevereTheWise suggests, the Birmingham Six were "wrongly convicted".

They did not plead guilty and throughout their trial and imprisonment, maintained their innocence.

With the convictions against them eventually quashed after new evidence emerged.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: SprocketUK





But "The Clash" said it best "I fought the law and the law won".

And at the end of the day that's the colour of ours.

Thats probably the real size of it.

a reply to: SprocketUK

And it's a kick in the b@lls should you happen to fall foul of the law.

Ile testify to that.

But picture a world without the rule of law.

Because down that road lies anarchy and survival of the fittest.

Or with things like religious law, even of the Sharia sort, supplanting the law of the land.

Feck walking that road, or dealing with those sorts of issues, on a daily basis.

It would be a complete and utter blood bath for a start.

a reply to: andy06shake

Its the corruption of it all gets me.
Look at lately, grannies gaoled for tweets, yet that labour councillor who stood up in front of a crowd saying that right wingers should have their throats cut...still walking the streets.

Paedos like Huw Edwards not gaoled, some nob head that shouted at coppers gets sent down and commits suicide over it.

Its getting so that anarchy doesn't strike me with the same revulsion it once did, we are ruled by bloody monsters.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Corruption is indeed rife.

Canny argue with that logic because it is true to a certain extent.

Then again that's always been the colour of the day.

And nobody deserves to have their throats cut....................bar the paedos by my guess.

As to anarchy, it would not be the nice fluffy kind SprocketUK.

The lefty treehuggers envisage and advocate for.

With people trusting one another and bartering under the sun.

Have you seen what people can do to one another when there are no rules and they want things?

It would be quite literally bloody murder from one end of the island to the other.

With people getting their throats cut at all angles.

And the bloody monsters coming out of the woodwork like termites.

Dont fancy it myself, i did in my younger years, but one does have to grow up and put away childish things.

Notions like anarchy fall into that category by my guess.

a reply to: andy06shake


Yeah proper mad max sorta future that way.

a reply to: SprocketUK

I would prefer "The Jetsons" if I'm honest.

Following reassurances from the governor of HMP Belmarsh regarding his safety Tommy has been moved to another prison and been put on a punishment wing.

ADMIN POST - URGENT TOMMY UPDATE!!!!

GO TO - SAVETOMMY.COM...

Tommy has been stitched up, he has been moved into @HMP_Woodhill category B prison, he has been forced to move 'onto the block' a punishment section of the prison.

He has been given no reason for his forced move after 'reassurances' were made at Belmarsh.

Tommy currently has ZERO regime.

This is an atrocious abuse of power designed to break Tommy mentally and put his life in danger, this despicable treatment needs to be stopped right now!!!

Please contact your local MP's, make sure you remind Nicola Marfleet (the governor of Woodhill prison) about her 'duty of care'.

You can find prison contact details here - gov.uk...

It has never been so important to raise cash for Tommy's legal representation while he's inside the prison system as a CIVIL prisoner.

@ezralevant
x.com...

a reply to: gortex

He's gonna wind up dead

a reply to: SprocketUK

It's certainly suspicious that he's promised safety in Belmarsh then gets moved to another prison and put on a punishment wing , they don't seem to want him to be safe for some reason.

We live in dangerous times.

Latest from Richard Inman.

Guramit Singh at Belmarsh on his visit to see Tommy in Belmarsh ... before his surprise move to HMP Woodhill.

Talk TV presenter Andre Walker with the latest warning about Tommy's safety.

Tommy Robinson has been thrown into a prison that is full of young Muslim men who are likely to try to kill him. This is following the decision of the Governor of Belmarsh to force him to choose between general population and the paedophile wing.

originally posted by: gortex
You ignore the Celts and their bloodlines, definitions aren't definitive.

I don't ignore them at all, and there is no definitive definition, it is clear at one end of the extreme but gets grey and foggy beyond that.

Certainly, some Welsh (Irish, Manx, Cornish and Scots too) speakers could have some claim to indigenous status. I'd also put forth an argument for some fishing and mining communities almost right up to the end of the 20th century and, as I have already said, traveller communities.

There is very little to actually distinguish, by definition, what is indigenous and what is native in terms of modern human populations, particularly in North Western Europe. Defining the distinction between indigenous and native is really only useful in categorising non-human species - the flora and fauna and for classifying them according to ecological niches. Hominds broke those bonds successively, so it is what we use to measure ourselves against other species, it gets far too sticky if we try to apply it amongst ourselves. Our containment within borders is a very recent development and far from representative of the actual genetics involved.

originally posted by: andy06shake
The Celtic peoples, such as us Scots, the Welsh, and the Irish, are often considered the closest thing we have to an indigenous population in a historical sense.

It's true that they evolved alongside other groups throughout history,

But i think its a safe bet to say they have somewhat long-standing communities dating back around 2,800 years.

Many places across the UK have long standing communities that are built upon sites founded 2,800 years ago. The pertinent difference is the absence of Roman occupation that enabled the Celtic Chieftan culture to persist through to the Middle-Ages in Scotland and similarly, elsewhere in North Western Europe.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
You Celts are just invaders, the only real Brits were these,

Red hair exists in most human populations and was brought to the British Isles by the Neolithic farmers who displaced the Mesolithic people then in residence. There may be some traces of the Mesolithic population in Wales but mostly we're all related to those first farmers.

The Celtic "invaders" were of the same genetic heritage and were therefore also carriers of the genes responsible for red hair.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
I used that word loosely to describe the people and more importantly, the culture that has been there for 500+ years. It seems everyone has a long-lasting culture that needs protecting except for EU and America...lol to allow mass immigration on a very fast timeline and from other cultures that are extremely different than the current one just creates the mess you all have going on. I think it is Sweden that is paying immigrants 20,000 EU to go back home. Much cheaper in the long run.

Culture is a different kettle of fish, not at all the same as the definition of indigenous or native people, though culture is an element in how people apply those definitions to humans.

By your definition, the British Isles would be Norman then.

We're not allowing mass immigration, though we have in the past to great benefit to us socially and economically, at present, our immigration levels both by regular and irregular means are falling. Socially, irregular immigration is not a problem, economically it is. Regular immigration is a problem socially, economically isn't.

It seems that some people fall for the same ruse generation after generation.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Blame the Spaniards for all that as they killed off about 80% of the population in the Americas. What you describe above is basically just war, which tends to draw new borderlines that sets what country is what. That has been going on for 100,000 years...lol

The Spaniard and the Portugese unintentionally, in their ignorance of immunity and vectors of disease caused a major depopulation event. It was their fault but rather unwillfully.

The indigenous people of North America did indeed fight a hard war to try and preserve their indigenous culture but for the other side it was just business. Paid soldiers fighting under generals with vested interests in the outcome all of who were incapable of comprehending the value of the land beyond coin. As the people were moved out the mines were sunk and the factories built, and the Military Industrial Complex found it's new home and began importing, en masse, it's labour force.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Enforcement is a crazy term when a large percentage of a population tends to be bullies, but 99.9% are not enforced unless the person is known or has a sizable amount of money. In America, we are well aware of the double standards these subjective words seem to end up at.

I would hazard that you only hear about it when the person accused has large amounts of money. Most bullies aren't publicity and attention seekers out to make a quick buck out of the sympathy of others. I do agree though, the US does appear to have a socially pervasive bullying disposition. The exceptions only seems to prove the rule, and certainly representations of this bullying behaviours can be seen in the majority of the media that you produce and are portrayed as the norm.

Enforcement is in itself highly subjective. Police, the court, judge and jury all have their own opinions and emotional responses. It is all supposed to balance out but as numerous victims of rape will tell you from their experiences, proving even the most violent of acts of bullying can be almost impossible even when dealing with a repeat offender.

originally posted by: gortex
Following reassurances from the governor of HMP Belmarsh regarding his safety Tommy has been moved to another prison and been put on a punishment wing.

ADMIN POST - URGENT TOMMY UPDATE!!!!

GO TO - SAVETOMMY.COM...

Tommy has been stitched up, he has been moved into @HMP_Woodhill category B prison, he has been forced to move 'onto the block' a punishment section of the prison.

He has been given no reason for his forced move after 'reassurances' were made at Belmarsh.

Tommy currently has ZERO regime.

This is an atrocious abuse of power designed to break Tommy mentally and put his life in danger, this despicable treatment needs to be stopped right now!!!

Please contact your local MP's, make sure you remind Nicola Marfleet (the governor of Woodhill prison) about her 'duty of care'.

You can find prison contact details here - gov.uk...

It has never been so important to raise cash for Tommy's legal representation while he's inside the prison system as a CIVIL prisoner.

@ezralevant
x.com...

Lol, fools and their money are soon parted.

a reply to: BrucellaOrchitis

That's kind of a misnomer and to a certain extent Rome did indeed invade parts of what is now considered to be Scotland.

The Romans began their campaigns in Britain in AD 43.

And extended their control northward, and by the early 2nd century, they established the Antonine Wall under Emperor Antoninus Pius.

The Celtic peoples even traded with Rome, though the interactions were limited, compared to other regions like Gaul or southern Britain.

And the persistence of Celtic chieftain culture in Scotland through to the Middle Ages can be attributed to several factors.

Like the geography of Scotland which made it difficult for external powers to exert full control over the region.

Or the clan system, which emphasised kinship and loyalty to a chieftain over the traditional kingship model.

A lot of factors combined to allow Celtic culture to remain influential and relevant throughout the Middle Ages in Scotland.

But i think its a safe bet the Celtic culture is about as indigenous on this island as it gets.