Critical shortcomings of the Patriot complex

a reply to: RussianTroll

And the "Russian Ministry of Defense" would never tell porky pies.

Where will "everything" be presented, and when will "the time come"?

Because it seems to me Mad Vlads ""special military operation"" has been going on for quite some time now.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: CriticalStinker
You can evaluate these facts as you wish. But these are facts officially confirmed by the Russian Ministry of Defense. Only for now they are not advertised for reasons unknown to me. The time will come, everything will be presented.

These are allegations presented by you government, not facts.

I question my own government when it comes to war and national security.

I imagine there would at least be US news stories trying to cover this up by saying they died in a training exercise or in the Middle East.

The story doesn’t hold up. My guess is it’s an attempt by your government to justify this long ongoing war by painting the picture the west is on your soil.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Answer a simple question: where are these photos from? There is a Striker, there are documents, the photos were found by journalists. Do you need photos of corpses? We are not NATO or Ukrainians. We are not animals to publish them. Although such photos exist.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Do you need photos of corpses? We are not NATO or Ukrainians. We are not animals to publish them. Although such photos exist.

Pictures that you can't show and yet suggest exist.

Could that be because you are full of mice and potatoes as per usual?

Same as the Russian Ministry of Defense.

We are all animals RussianTroll, no matter which way you try and delude or distort the facts.

And i think you may find it was Russia that started the current Ukrainian rumble in the jungle.

By way of invasion.

Point of fact Ukraine would have little need for the likes of Patriot missile complex if you had bothered to leave them alone to sort out their own internal affairs.

Thank you.

a reply to: RussianTroll

The article doesn’t even suggest they’re dead.

Granted, I had to translate it, so full disclosure there.

I got the impression either no one was found, or it was Ukrainians and they’re implying the Americans may have vacated.

The only evidence they present is the piece of paper. Again, I could make that in my office now in 5 minutes. But the other possibility is it was left in there when we sent our used equipment to them. Certainly embarrassing we wouldn’t do a thorough clean of it and leave identified of our soldiers in there. But I wouldn’t be shocked if I found something in a used car I bought from the previous owner, and that has far less compartments in it.

The story is flimsy and far from fact as you presented it. Its allegations at best, albeit with a lot of holes in the logic.

Ill admit I stopped reading at the patriot system is powerless.

Is it perfect nope, considering its age its done extremely well.

But russia has claimed to have destroyed the systems so many times, *shrugs* its the boy who cried wolf syndrome.

Maybe they finally got it, maybe they didnt maybe their were american troops maybe their werent I dont know and the OP certainly doesnt know, and as often as the Russian military fires its commanders I doubt they know.

a reply to: Irishhaf



The Patriot missile defense system does indeed have issues like limited coverage area, vulnerability to saturation attacks, and a high cost of interceptor missiles amongst others.

Then again it was successful in intercepting Russia's Kh-47M2 Kinzhal missiles so......................

a reply to: CriticalStinker

The article is very cautious. But this is the publication "Arguments and Facts". It holds the Guinness Book of Records as the record holder for the number of copies of printed publications in the world in the 80s of the last century. The publication presents the facts very carefully, it values ​​its reputation and does not interfere with the official plans of the government. Telegram channels are much more frank and do not limit themselves. You want frankness? Google is at your disposal. I am not going to publish trashy photos here.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Usually an ostrich hides its head in the sand. Are you trying to hide your head in a concrete floor))))

a reply to: RussianTroll

You could simply provide a link and let people use their own discretion as to viewing these fabled pictures you insist exist.

If indeed you have seen them and know where they are that should not present a problem.

a reply to: RussianTroll

NATO's war against Russia.

If as you suggest NATO is at war with Russia, then NATO troops would have been drinking tea in The Kremlin many months ago.

You can be thankful that NATO is not at war with Russia.

a reply to: RussianTroll

To much propaganda, as has been mentioned before they claimed to destroy one before any were in country.

Kinda makes it hard to take anything they say after it seriously.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Just look at the war map.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Just look at the war map.

Including the significant proportion of the Kurst Oblast Russia can't take back from the occupying Ukrainian farmers with surplus NATO toys?

Yeah, that is rather interesting.

a reply to: alldaylong

Every century, the armies of Europe tried to drink tea in the Kremlin once or twice. And each time after such desires, the Russian army repeatedly entered European capitals. I understand that history teaches you nothing.

a reply to: RussianTroll

You would not have had any tea to drink nor toys to drive off the last Nazi piece of scum that wanted to drink tea in the Kremlin without the North Atlantic Convoys supplying you the aid to do so.

Just something to keep in mind whilst you rattle that mighty Russian saber.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RussianTroll

It is very easy to stop the war.

Just go back to your Russian permafrost and hang your heads in shame.

Count your losses whilst you still have anyone under pensionable age to do so.

That would work and end the war.

Yeah we get it, you have some kind of Russia derangement syndrome. I'm was going to put you on my ignore list you since I'm really fed up to read your mainly biased and useless comments on this website which are mostly just ridiculing and name calling, but unfortunately that feature not present anymore so I will just stop reading or ignore all your posts where you start to intervene.

To the topic : thanks OP, that was an interesting read. Seen numerous videos of Patriots getting kinzhaled or else through the years. Wondering how many were operated by NATO soldiers. It's no secret that many weapons are or were operated by non Ukrainian forces.

Thanks OP for the contribution

a reply to: Popoll

I'm not quite sure what you get, but who is this "we"?

I really dont care what you are fed up with in the slightest nether.

Your problem being as long as people like RT keep punting their hate and division, some of us will keep on shoveling it to the curb and questioning the logic behind doing so.

Also, i'm not the topic of the thread, same as I'm not the one spouting unsubstantiated nonsense, without any sort of evidence to back it up other than claims of imaginary pictures he refused to provide a link.

And like i suggest if Russia were to go back home to their own postcode and leave the poor Ukrainians to their own devices.

That would indeed end the war.

Allow cooler heads to prevail, and people to move on and rebuild.

Have a day.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: Freeborn

No one in the world believes in the fairy tales that NATO "is not fighting Russia" in Ukraine for a long time now. This was perfectly demonstrated by the BRICS world summit currently taking place in Kazan.

I'm not sure what propels Putin to want to continue this pointless war, other than he really hates military aged Russian kids. So much so that he kills the neighbors and uses his to do it, thus killing them. I'm sorry RT, I just can't buy into any aspect of this being a just war, or even a mildly good idea.

To think that one of the "greatest military minds" of our time, invaded a neighboring country, much smaller, much less military resources, but is stuck in a quagmire for years. Seems like it was poorly planned and poorly thought out. Unless perpetual war was the goal.

Yes war hawks are all giddy over this, as they can sell their products quickly and for whatever price they choose. But the tiny minority of people with both a brain and a conscience, are against war of any kind, just for the sake of not killing kids.
I think we could all do much better discussing our cultural differences, and similarities, and learning from them, rather than shooting at innocent folks, but not being a war hawk, I likely just don't get it.

Came to my mind this from Paul Valery , a french writer and Poet :

"War is the massacring of people who don't know each other for the benefit of those who do know each other, but don't massacre each other"

"poorly planned and poorly thought out" could also be applied to Nato's intervention, but I think that above the public discours tptb are massively profiting from the conflict. There are so many layers of truth on each interests sides.

Let's hope this massacre will move towards diplomatic talks soon. That's how most conflicts start to end.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Irishhaf

The Patriot missile defense system does indeed have issues like limited coverage area, vulnerability to saturation attacks, and a high cost of interceptor missiles amongst others.

Then again it was successful in intercepting Russia's Kh-47M2 Kinzhal missiles so......................

That's because the Kinzhal uses a ballistic trajectory, which is much more predictable than the hypersonic maneuvering trajectory of the Iskander. Even though both missiles are based on the same design, the Kinzhal is air-launched and has different maneuvering parameters.