This war will be eternal

a reply to: RussianTroll

"We don't need hysterics, this is a respectful academic debate."

No. It is a hate upon Jews and misogynistic opinions from your good self.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: putnam6

For me, your story is fantastic. But it only confirms my words when your state, in the name of globalist political goals, deprives its citizens of profit for their families. This is wrong.

Please LOL, the only reason our government pushed backing Ukraine is that it is making select politicians and others connected incredibly wealthy. Between the American and European MIC, this Russian SMO gave them plenty of opportunities to test and sell their wares.

We have never had so many politicians, diplomats and celebrities visit a war-torn country during hostilities... there had to be individual financial reasons, your globalists' concerns are just the by-product, not the motivation.

The war need not be about money.

The longer the world waits to stop a dictator, the harder it can be if he is capturing valuable territory and factories.

a reply to: Solvedit

Yeah. There's like the World's largest nuclear power plant right there. Last I heard, the Russians had control of it.

originally posted by: RussianTrollRead the Creeds. God cannot have a nationality.

The Church that gave you the creeds holds that Jesus Christ is true God and true man.

a reply to: RussianTroll

The ten commandments, in reality are the commonsense rules for getting through this lifetime with the least hassle. They are just dressed up from a divine source to emphasize the point. The problem is that we can't see the wisdom of them until we are older, and by that time we probably have broken quite a few and are paying off the consequences of doing so. In a non liberal society the youth are made aware of them early and tend to underpin the national values. But in a Liberal setting the chaos goes through more people into adulthood and by that effects the whole society in a detrimental way.

The youth of any country are the future, and guiding them into a general consensus of cooperative ideas is necessary for a functioning state. If this is not done the conceptual reality of any given situation is distorted . The West isn't even breeding anymore this happens when the system gets so bad the family as a reality base for society is no longer in the conceptual reality.

Russia by sticking to tried and tested moral realities has to be operating at an advantage , the same with the Muslim countries when compared to the West at the moment. In the end it comes down to character and not giving up or giving in , add in the question , " Is what you are fighting for worth it"? the one that can answer that clearly is going to be the winner. I think the answer is so obvious that the West is being set up by the people who really run it for a collapse and rebirth much like the Soviet Union had to morph into the Russian federation.

The problem being is all this scripted and the eventual outcome agreed upon years ago , as nothing in politics happen by accident. just like ignoring the Minsk agreement would in the end be sure to reach one outcome. I am reading this with my conceptual take on things which might also be distorted but at the moment if the information which I asses as bona fide coming down through the internet , Russia will have to do a first strike on the West at some stage to prevent a death by a thousand cuts. Russia is waiting for winter before it does, so it has the advantage of any ground force invasion. But one thing is for sure the world will be totally different afterwards.

a reply to: EyeoftheHurricane

Kinda “ new age “ belief system correct? Won’t work in this discussion I’m afraid.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

exactly.

Symbol of Faith, adopted at the Council of Nicaea in 325, translated into English.

I believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten not created, of one essence with the Father through whom all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and he suffered and was buried. On the third day he rose according to the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and dead. His kingdom will have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father, who together with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who spoke through the prophets. In one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. I expect the resurrection of the dead. And the life of the ages to come. Amen.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: RussianTroll

"We don't need hysterics, this is a respectful academic debate."

Except for your substitution of the word of Christ our Lord for your Orthodox religion's Nationalistic propaganda and claim for a holy war and your rampant and rabid hatred of Jews?

Which is far from "respectful".

Old Carpy Do you really believe in Christ our Lord? Now I believe in miracles.

originally posted by: Topcraft
a reply to: EyeoftheHurricane

Kinda “ new age “ belief system correct? Won’t work in this discussion I’m afraid.

It is “New Age” to accept that the truth is in more than one religion ? Then, so be it in your mind.
Why is it not relevant to the discussion where RT believes in Christianity but people here refer to Jesus as a Jew( which was true of course, but after the crucifixion, he was denied and later Rome adopted the “new religion” of Christ. So why cant there ne o my Judaism or only Christianity ? Why can there not be Hindu trinity Brahma Visnu and Shiva ?
Communism and Marxism destroys all religion and faith.
And don’t even let me get started on the UN Workd Council of Churches which waters down Christianity so that the truth is barely existent.

Yes, I believe in reincarnation.

The truth has been hidden in plain sight.

reluctant-messenger.com...

"For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing 7 to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come.(Matthew 11:13-14)

"And as he was passing by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, 'Rabbi, who has sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?" Jesus answered, 'Neither has this man sinned, nor his parents, but the works of God were to be made manifest in him.'" (John 9:1) The disciples ask the Lord if the man himself could have committed the sin that led to his blindness. Given the fact that the man has been blind from birth, we are confronted with a provocative question. When could he have made such transgressions as to make him blind at birth? The only conceivable answer is in some prenatal state. The question as posed by the disciples explicitly presupposes prenatal existence. It will also be noted that Christ says nothing to dispel or correct the presupposition.

"And the disciples asked him, saying, 'Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?' But he answered them and said, 'Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand.' Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matthew 17:10-13)

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originally posted by: Topcraft
a reply to: EyeoftheHurricane

Kinda “ new age “ belief system correct? Won’t work in this discussion I’m afraid.

See also the title if the thread makes reference to an “eternal war” though seems to relate it to Ukraine and Russia. What is a war which would be “eternal”…..How about Armageddon, referenced in both Hindu and Christian scripture and evidently even in the Hadith
I like this pastors take on it www.biblestudytools.com...

a reply to: RussianTroll

dude if Russia was such a great christian nation as you said , no one would be fighting in wars , killing is a sin
to murder another is a sin
Russia should be helping its neighbours and building better relationships despite its cultural / religious/ economical differences

but I guess there are very little real christians left on earth

god said "though shall not kill"

only afterwards did people argue that you can kill if its justified
but thats humans adding their own interpretations.

I believe gods word is final right

a reply to: annonentity

The ten commandments, in reality are the commonsense rules for getting through this lifetime with the least hassle.

Not sure about 'least hassle' but they are guidelines that serve as a good solid platform for any society or civilisation. I don't think you have to be religious or spiritual to see the value in them, particularly commandments 5 to 10.

They are just dressed up from a divine source to emphasize the point.

Yes, I would tend to agree with you.

The problem is that we can't see the wisdom of them until we are older, and by that time we probably have broken quite a few and are paying off the consequences of doing so.

True for many of us but certainly not all, possibly not even most.

In a non liberal society the youth are made aware of them early and tend to underpin the national values. But in a Liberal setting the chaos goes through more people into adulthood and by that effects the whole society in a detrimental way.

I'm sorry, I can't agree with that.
You can not convince me that in a Liberal society that young people are not taught or don't learn that murdering other people is inherently wrong or that it is totally unacceptable to steal from people. Generally speaking traditional Liberal minded people are just as moral and for want of a better expression law-abiding as conservatives are.

Now if we are talking about these new neo-Liberal wokerati types that's different - they seem to have invented a whole new set of social norms that very few more traditional minded people can relate to. Some of these new values do seem to undermine some of the basic principles set in stone in The Ten Commandments.....and personally I find that very dangerous.

I'm not saying that as a religious minded person - I'm Agnostic, a discussion for another time and place - and have a very strong personal moral code that I try to stick by. I fail, more often than I'd like, because I am human. But my moral code and values bear striking similarities to many of the Commandments and in many ways I'm far from being conservative.

I do believe that the breakdown of the tradition family unit has had a hugely detrimental effect on our society.
Why that has happened is well worthy of a thread all on its own.

Russia by sticking to tried and tested moral realities has to be operating at an advantage ,.....

Sorry, I just can't agree with that.
Are you seriously suggesting that Russia has the moral high ground over 'The West'?
Could you please provide some examples of that so that I could consider the merit of that statement.

....the same with the Muslim countries when compared to the West at the moment.

Now that is complete nonsense, sorry.
Look at the complete lack of basic human rights in many Muslim countries.
Their treatment of women.
Throwing gay people off roofs and hanging them from cranes.
Rabid religious intolerance in many cases.
The acceptance of paedophilia.

I could go on but it would just develop into a rant about Islam and that's not what this thread is about.

Care to expand on your reasoning behind that statement as well?

In the end it comes down to character and not giving up or giving in , add in the question , " Is what you are fighting for worth it"

If you were to ask that question to a Russian conscript fighting in Ukraine if he were free to answer that question honestly what do you think his response would be?
Ask the same question to a Ukrainian soldier fighting in Ukraine what do you think his response would be?

a reply to: RussianTroll

War. War never changes.
Since the dawn of human kind, when our ancestors first discovered the killing power of rock and bone, blood has been spilled in the name of everything: from God to justice to simple, psychotic rage.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

In most places where the phrase appears, the contexts make it clear that it refers to the vast array of evil and malicious spirits who make war against the people of God. The principalities and powers of Satan are usually in view here, beings that wield power in the unseen realms to oppose everything and everyone that is of God.

mean-in...
Principalities dispatch demons to tempt and accuse believers (Revelation 12:10). These chief demons work to promote idolatry, false religion, deception, and rebellion against God. They influence earthly authorities to oppose the advance of God’s kingdom (Ephesians 6:12). Principalities also aim to hinder and thwart the plans and purposes of God.

God is the true, eternal power.
Nothing except God, is truly Eternal.

Not war, not evil, just God and Love.

In the end, God prevails and wins.

Not to us, O LORD, not to us, but to your name give glory, for your mercy, and for your truth's sake.

a reply to: Freeborn


The crime statistics in Western youth compared to Russian or Muslim youth , seem to suggest that western youth are left to themselves to do what any youth will do without a bit of friendly guidance. Actually, allowing sex reassignment without the parents consent is subversive madness. Pushing it on main stream channels and encouraging it will eventually confuse the national identity until there is none. If it all by design from the top then it has to be assumed that the social engineering is for the purpose to weaken the group identity for a final mopping up in a way that the future will decide.

Gay people have always existed , along with trans gendered individuals as a small percentage of society , it never has been a problem even in Muslim countries . If the percentage seems to grow historically there is a pushback probably because gays can't have children in the traditional home and will have a negative effect on society. By affecting the generally held paradigm of what is generally accepted as a normal functioning society, which is also needed for the majority . This model is breaking down fast and because the collapse is novel to us nobody has a clue where it will lead Historically when the general public do not know what bathroom to use it is usually at the end of that societies use by date.

a reply to: RussianTroll

You state that the Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament are 'Jewish Lies'.
You state that Jesus isn't Jewish and didn't fulfill them.
Therefore you do not believe Jesus is Messiah and Savior.
Therefore you are not Christian.

You can post the creed as much as you like, it's just rote to you.
You already showed that you do not believe what the creed says.

JESUS IS JEWISH

HE HAS TO BE IN ORDER TO BE THE MESSIAH AND SAVIOR

JESUS IS JEWISH HE SAID SO

Jesus words in John 4:22 - You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

Jesus said salvation is from the Jews.

Jesus is Jewish. He said so.

a reply to: Kennyb75
Thank you, my friend. Your opinion is important to me!