Ukraine hit 300 miles into Russia

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: UKTruth

www.interpol.int...

"The Red Notices, for charges including embezzlement and misappropriation, were issued on Monday 12 January 2015 following a thorough review by INTERPOL’s Office of Legal Affairs to ensure that Ukraine’s request for the notices was in compliance with the Organization’s rules and regulations."

There is nothing about stealing $70bn in that link on the way out of the country.

a reply to: UKTruth

OK . So , it was a couple of quid that made Interpol do this?

Honestly, I am bored with your mental gymnastics in defending the indefensible.

Carry on.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: UKTruth

OK . So , it was a couple of quid that made Interpol do this?

Honestly, I am bored with your mental gymnastics in defending the indefensible.

Carry on.

No, it was corruption over a long period with varying estimates, with many in the Govt and outside of Ukraine with their fingers in the cookie jar.
You used hyperbole / propaganda to inflate your point, which is part of the problem.
It's what you claim the other side is doing.
As it happens the same corruption continued in Ukraine after he left.
It's a corrupt country.

a reply to: UKTruth

Sorry, but your excuses for Putins War and your blaming it all on the West is just tiresome.

Putin and his oligarchs (even the murdered ones) are as corrupt as they come.

Your propaganda is clear.

Not interested in your arguing for the sake of it.

a reply to: UKTruth

As it happens the same corruption continued in Ukraine after he left. It's a corrupt country.

Yes, they’re very corrupt and have been for decades. Find me a country that isn’t nowadays, right?

a reply to: UKTruth

The world would be burning constantly if that was the norm.

Maybe then the penny would drop and politicians would start carrying out the manifesto on which they were elected.
Maybe then governments would start listening to the people who elected them and start putting their cares, concerns and well being before other vested interests and special interest groups.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: UKTruth

The world would be burning constantly if that was the norm.

Maybe then the penny would drop and politicians would start carrying out the manifesto on which they were elected.
Maybe then governments would start listening to the people who elected them and start putting their cares, concerns and well being before other vested interests and special interest groups.

The problem is that the corporations/special interest and NGO’s are the ones who are electing them through brainwashing and manipulation of the people mainly through the MSM whom the corps and special interests groups own. It’s kind of a viscous circle that most people don’t even know they’re participating in. Until people start independently thinking again the manipulated hive minds will win every time.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: UKTruth

In a Democracy the people vote, not violently overthrow the leaders if they are not getting what they want on every issue.

You can't seem to want to except the events and history here.

They had democratically voted to join the EU and literally a few days before signing Yanukovych made the decision to withdraw from the agreement because of Russian pressure.
That's why the Ukrainian people then demonstrated. They had their choice changed for them undemocratically.

The parliament had voted to approve the trade agreement
The President vetoed it.
Do you think it would be acceptable for the people of the UK to violently overthrow the govt and kill police officers trying to defend 10 Downing Street if we decided to go back in to the EU? Or we had not left and ignored the referendum?
Is that your idea of Democracy?
How would you feel about those people if you knew that Putin had both supported and funded the violent overthrow?

The Ukrainian people should have voted Yanukovych out, not resorted to violence and murder.
The moment they did sparked everything that has happened since.

Again, you seem to simply not understand the events or don't want to.
The Ukraine were joining the EU and had only formalities left for the agreement to go forward with Yanukovych also on board. Then at the last second he alone changed to supporting Russia without any approval of his parliment.

What you also seem to miss is that Putin supported the civil unrest in the East of Ukraine, supplying weapons.
You appear naive in your understanding of events that lead to all this....

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: UKTruth

In a Democracy the people vote, not violently overthrow the leaders if they are not getting what they want on every issue.

You can't seem to want to except the events and history here.

They had democratically voted to join the EU and literally a few days before signing Yanukovych made the decision to withdraw from the agreement because of Russian pressure.
That's why the Ukrainian people then demonstrated. They had their choice changed for them undemocratically.

The parliament had voted to approve the trade agreement
The President vetoed it.
Do you think it would be acceptable for the people of the UK to violently overthrow the govt and kill police officers trying to defend 10 Downing Street if we decided to go back in to the EU? Or we had not left and ignored the referendum?
Is that your idea of Democracy?
How would you feel about those people if you knew that Putin had both supported and funded the violent overthrow?

The Ukrainian people should have voted Yanukovych out, not resorted to violence and murder.
The moment they did sparked everything that has happened since.

Again, you seem to simply not understand the events or don't want to.
The Ukraine were joining the EU and had only formalities left for the agreement to go forward with Yanukovych also on board. Then at the last second he alone changed to supporting Russia without any approval of his parliment.

What you also seem to miss is that Putin supported the civil unrest in the East of Ukraine, supplying weapons.
You appear naive in your understanding of events that lead to all this....

Once again you are presenting one side.
The US and the West actively supported the coup also. Don;t blame one side for causing unrest and supporting coups of Govts and ignore the other.

A President deciding not to carry out the will of parliament is not grounds for a violent coup.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: UKTruth

The world would be burning constantly if that was the norm.

Maybe then the penny would drop and politicians would start carrying out the manifesto on which they were elected.
Maybe then governments would start listening to the people who elected them and start putting their cares, concerns and well being before other vested interests and special interest groups.

I am sure it would, but too many would die in the process.
The voting system is far better to get rid of unwanted govts.

a reply to: UKTruth

Once again you are presenting one side.
The US and the West actively supported the coup also. Don;t blame one side for causing unrest and supporting coups of Govts and ignore the other.

A President deciding not to carry out the will of parliament is not grounds for a violent coup.

And once again you seem to be supporting Putin and his neferious deeds! You seem to think it's ok for Yanukovych to have gone against the will of his people and his own parliment??

A President deciding not to carry out the will of parliament is not grounds for a violent coup.

It wasn't a violent coup, it was the response to protests that killed over 70 people, which only happened because Yanukovych went against the decision of his own people and parliment.
George Washington once said....."It is better to offer no excuse than a bad one." maybe its advice you should be taking here??

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: UKTruth

Once again you are presenting one side.
The US and the West actively supported the coup also. Don;t blame one side for causing unrest and supporting coups of Govts and ignore the other.

A President deciding not to carry out the will of parliament is not grounds for a violent coup.

And once again you seem to be supporting Putin and his neferious deeds! You seem to think it's ok for Yanukovych to have gone against the will of his people and his own parliment??

A President deciding not to carry out the will of parliament is not grounds for a violent coup.

It wasn't a violent coup, it was the response to protests that killed over 70 people, which only happened because Yanukovych went against the decision of his own people and parliment.
George Washington once said....."It is better to offer no excuse than a bad one." maybe its advice you should be taking here??

Er no, i am saying that both sides of this conflict have a lot to answer for.
Lets not go round in circles, it was a viloent overthrow of the Ukraine Govt backed by the West.

a reply to: UKTruth

Er no, i am saying that both sides of this conflict have a lot to answer for.
Lets not go round in circles, it was a viloent overthrow of the Ukraine Govt backed by the West.

Funny how now you seem to not want to "go round and round in circles", yet you took the thread off topic with your decry of the 'evil' west, in a thread about a Russian military depot. Then when shown your mis-understanding you now don't want to talk about it any more?

The west had nothing to do with the 'overthrow' of the government. You can't seem to except it was Yanukovychs' over reaction with violence and deaths of 70 demonstrators that lead to his fleeing to Russia.
You need to re-educate yourself on the actual facts or go make a thread about your hatred for the west and support of Putin invading a free democratic country.

You appear to want to have the last word. Why not make it actually about the thread title and story posted.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: UKTruth

Er no, i am saying that both sides of this conflict have a lot to answer for.
Lets not go round in circles, it was a viloent overthrow of the Ukraine Govt backed by the West.

Funny how now you seem to not want to "go round and round in circles", yet you took the thread off topic with your decry of the 'evil' west, in a thread about a Russian military depot. Then when shown your mis-understanding you now don't want to talk about it any more?

The west had nothing to do with the 'overthrow' of the government. You can't seem to except it was Yanukovychs' over reaction with violence and deaths of 70 demonstrators that lead to his fleeing to Russia.
You need to re-educate yourself on the actual facts or go make a thread about your hatred for the west and support of Putin invading a free democratic country.

You appear to want to have the last word. Why not make it actually about the thread title and story posted.

Talk of missile attacks with Western weapons and escalations are exactly the point.
They won't get us anywhere
Nothing will until a peace deal is negotiated in good faith.
I have no time for war mongers on either side.
I consider those salivating for escalation from behind their keyboards to be war mongers. Similar to our politicians who send other people to die.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: UKTruth

Er no, i am saying that both sides of this conflict have a lot to answer for.
Lets not go round in circles, it was a viloent overthrow of the Ukraine Govt backed by the West.

Funny how now you seem to not want to "go round and round in circles", yet you took the thread off topic with your decry of the 'evil' west, in a thread about a Russian military depot. Then when shown your mis-understanding you now don't want to talk about it any more?

The west had nothing to do with the 'overthrow' of the government. You can't seem to except it was Yanukovychs' over reaction with violence and deaths of 70 demonstrators that lead to his fleeing to Russia.
You need to re-educate yourself on the actual facts or go make a thread about your hatred for the west and support of Putin invading a free democratic country.

You appear to want to have the last word. Why not make it actually about the thread title and story posted.

Talk of missile attacks with Western weapons and escalations are exactly the point.
They won't get us anywhere
Nothing will until a peace deal is negotiated in good faith.
I have no time for war mongers on either side.
I consider those salivating for escalation from behind their keyboards to be war mongers. Similar to our politicians who send other people to die.

They aren't western weapons, they're Ukrainian (Given to or bought by Ukraine to help defend itself from invasion).
Russian needs to stand down and remove all troops from Ukraine for any lasting peace to be attainable.
The war mongers are the Kremlin as they were/are the invading force here, with no excuse for this.
As far as I can see the only people calling for escalation are those supporters of Mad Vlad and threatening Nuclear destruction, others are suggestion Ukraine be allowed to defend itself from an invading force like any democratic country would want to do, which is exactly what happened here, Ukraine attacked a legitimiate target.

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: UKTruth

Er no, i am saying that both sides of this conflict have a lot to answer for.
Lets not go round in circles, it was a viloent overthrow of the Ukraine Govt backed by the West.

Funny how now you seem to not want to "go round and round in circles", yet you took the thread off topic with your decry of the 'evil' west, in a thread about a Russian military depot. Then when shown your mis-understanding you now don't want to talk about it any more?

The west had nothing to do with the 'overthrow' of the government. You can't seem to except it was Yanukovychs' over reaction with violence and deaths of 70 demonstrators that lead to his fleeing to Russia.
You need to re-educate yourself on the actual facts or go make a thread about your hatred for the west and support of Putin invading a free democratic country.

You appear to want to have the last word. Why not make it actually about the thread title and story posted.

Talk of missile attacks with Western weapons and escalations are exactly the point.
They won't get us anywhere
Nothing will until a peace deal is negotiated in good faith.
I have no time for war mongers on either side.
I consider those salivating for escalation from behind their keyboards to be war mongers. Similar to our politicians who send other people to die.

They aren't western weapons, they're Ukrainian (Given to or bought by Ukraine to help defend itself from invasion).
Russian needs to stand down and remove all troops from Ukraine for any lasting peace to be attainable.
The war mongers are the Kremlin as they were/are the invading force here, with no excuse for this.
As far as I can see the only people calling for escalation are those supporters of Mad Vlad and threatening Nuclear destruction, others are suggestion Ukraine be allowed to defend itself from an invading force like any democratic country would want to do, which is exactly what happened here, Ukraine attacked a legitimiate target.

Your post is just more one sided and unhelpful rhetoric.
The war mongers are on both sides of this conflict.
Again - until the conversation turns from the Darth Vader/Luke Skywalker mindset, nothing will get better.
It will only get worse.

a reply to: UKTruth

Your post is just more one sided and unhelpful rhetoric.

And your ability to not to see Putins' invasion of Ukraine as something the 'bad guy' does is even more telling.
You keep telling yourself that Putin is is innocent and the west is evil, at some point you WILL believe it.....

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: UKTruth

Your post is just more one sided and unhelpful rhetoric.

And your ability to not to see Putins' invasion of Ukraine as something the 'bad guy' does is even more telling.
You keep telling yourself that Putin is is innocent and the west is evil, at some point you WILL believe it.....

Putin gets even with the west by stealing Ukraine for resources while putting more money in arms dealers pockets all around. I’m cray, but that seems like Putin, who is more or less the CEO of Russia, worried about his wealth.

Ukraine cannot fire those misses without nato personal and the use of nato satellite s. Therefore nato will be directly involved.

On another note I read a few days ago that China has said if nato attacks russia they will give full military support to Russia. It's been scrubbed from google.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: UKTruth

Your post is just more one sided and unhelpful rhetoric.

And your ability to not to see Putins' invasion of Ukraine as something the 'bad guy' does is even more telling.
You keep telling yourself that Putin is is innocent and the west is evil, at some point you WILL believe it.....

I don't think I have once said Putin is innocent.
This is often the way with people who have been so utterly co-opted into a false good vs evil paradigm, they are unable to think clearly and see criticism of the West's actions as a view that Putin is a good guy.
You are lost.