Actual Nazis invading Russia? Nightingale Battalion

bandera was not a nazi he was trying to use the nazi's, he was a ukrainain nationalist and one of the leaders Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists OUN B faction. he started the nightingale and roland battalions in the Brandenburgers for his own use against russia and any other nation that tried to interfere with his plans for a independent fascist nation as the core for ukraine's army. he also spent the majority of world war II from iirc from july 41 to late 44 in Nazi jails or house arrest in berlin.

now was he a a murderouss dick, some say yes, some say he just couldn't control some of the people in the battalions who were fanatical in their desire to be fascist asswipes.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

I would leave it to historians how much responsibility Bandera bears for the actions of his OUN-B. So far, they somehow can't reach consensus. It's kinda funny that people still get their panties in a bunch at the mere mention of this overrated and, above all, dead guy's name.

My personal opinion is that using certain symbols or creating myths about historical figures doesn't yet make someone a Nazi. This is common in many countries. I remember when years ago the police arrested a group of Polish Nationalists who celebrated Hitler's birthday and gave salutes to his portrait. Yet there's a lot of yelling at Ukrainians venerating Shukhevych. I don't get it. Like Hitler liked the Polish better or what?

As long as people don't behave like actual Nazis; that is persecute the minorities and physically attack people only because of their race or nationality, imo they can keep their symbolism fetish.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
bandera was not a nazi he was trying to use the nazi's, he was a ukrainain nationalist and one of the leaders Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists OUN B faction. he started the nightingale and roland battalions in the Brandenburgers for his own use against russia and any other nation that tried to interfere with his plans for a independent fascist nation as the core for ukraine's army. he also spent the majority of world war II from iirc from july 41 to late 44 in Nazi jails or house arrest in berlin.

now was he a a murderouss dick, some say yes, some say he just couldn't control some of the people in the battalions who were fanatical in their desire to be fascist asswipes.

Not only him, but his brother Bohdan Bandera too.

The Kherson district was headed by his brother who overlooked Nazi Stalag camps with the Nazis where they kept American and British/allied troops.

The Kherson district leadership of the OUN was headed by Bohdan Bandera [uk] (brother of OUN leader Stepan Bandera).[17] The Germans operated a Nazi prison and the Stalag 370 prisoner-of-war camp in the city.[18][19]

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No matter which way you slice it they were Nazi scumbags.

You shouldn’t downplay the Ukrainian Nazi sympathizing Bandera nationalism there just because you don’t like Russia.

Unless you’re a Nazi sympathizer that is, and looking to defend it

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Imhere

Why did Nazi Germany do such things? Did America and the UK/allies create the Nazi party?

The short answer is "no".

America and the UK did not create the Nazi Party.

There were however certain historical events and policies that transpired regarding both our respective nations that indirectly contributed the rise of the Nazi Party.

Did Germany react disproportionately at times? Quite probably, which played into the Allies hands and was probably the reaction they had desired all along.

Was that not more driven by anger over the Treaty of Versailles and overall internal instability.

Uk and USA may not have created the Nazi party, they did however find it very popular in the upper echelons.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
bandera was not a nazi he was trying to use the nazi's, he was a ukrainain nationalist and one of the leaders Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists OUN B faction. he started the nightingale and roland battalions in the Brandenburgers for his own use against russia and any other nation that tried to interfere with his plans for a independent fascist nation as the core for ukraine's army. he also spent the majority of world war II from iirc from july 41 to late 44 in Nazi jails or house arrest in berlin.

now was he a a murderouss dick, some say yes, some say he just couldn't control some of the people in the battalions who were fanatical in their desire to be fascist asswipes.

Meanwhile. While everyone says they are just using this symbol as their heritage, the unit wasn't even German, it was Ukrainian, ect ect...

I think those people saying that are missing the point.

Whoever it was....it was a nazi battalion that oversaw the Ukrainian progrom of 1941...so what's the point of making a heritage claim...? Their heritage is they're Ukrainians that fought for nazi Germany, that took lead in rounding up jewish people in Ukraine for extermination.

......is that a heritage worth .... showing off? Optically, it's a bad move. Only cultists that never owned a mirror would accept that premise.

Leave the Ukrainian Bandera Nazis alone!

They’re good Nazis, wholesome.

You know, they were just fighting for their independence etc alongside with the German Nazis where as the Banderas are Ukrainian Nazis.

So slightly different but different

(insert pic of a Ukrainian Azov puppy with a sunflower taped on it’s ear)

originally posted by: Imhere
Leave the Ukrainian Bandera Nazis alone!

They’re good Nazis, wholesome.

You know, they were just fighting for their independence etc alongside with the German Nazis where as the Banderas are Ukrainian Nazis.

So slightly different but different

(insert pic of a Ukrainian Azov puppy with a sunflower taped on it’s ear)

Lol, image the foolery someone has to be going through to say "leave the natzis alown!"

These guys make the Azov's look like a childrens nursery. These people take after the nazi mercenaries that SPECIFICALLY helped round up Jews in Ukraine lol

Imagine how polarized things have become, that there's one side that's actually saying ".....you know, the nazis weren't THAT bad...."

a reply to: Dalamax

That's very true Dalamax.

The fact of the matter is that both the UK and the USA could have gone in the other direction regarding Axis powers.

Pro-fascist movements like the "British Union of Fascists" led by Oswald Mosley or "The German-American Bund" were indeed around at the time and would have liked nothing more than to have seen us enter the war on the side of Germany.

There were also Nazi sympathisers and supporters in Australia during the 1930s but the numbers were comparatively small compared to those in the UK and the USA.

A State Duma deputy will pay 5 million rubles to catch these youtu.be... "cosplay" lovers who are torturing a 74-year-old disabled person, they will have a real laugh

a reply to: BernnieJGato
He just couldn't control some of the people in the battalions??? By that logic Hitler was innocent.

In answer to twistedpuppy. Is it funny how people get their panties in a twist over the mention of am overrated dead guys name???? Another very silly answer. Now you, yes you, please travel to Berlin and start shouting and praising another dead person, one Herr Hitler and really see people getting their panties in a twist. That's after you get out of prison.
As long as people don't behave like Nazis, persecuting minorities because of their race and nationality??? Please look up what the "ethnic" Ukrainians did in the Donbas in 2014. They even had names for them like "Soviet Cesspool", "Thug Culture", " Backward", now where have I heard all that before? Oh yes from the Nazis who coined the definition "untermensch".

a reply to: crayzeed

lol stop telling people to commit self-harm.

Going to Germany and shouting or saying anything related to Nazi'ism is a death sentence by public decree, before the German police even get to them to arrest for illegal glorification of Nazi ideas (as per German law).

I remember they thought Luke Rudowski, a Pole, was a neo-nazi and chased him down simply for being tall, blue eyes and blonde hair lmao

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To your other point in regard to 2014, this is the fact of the entire debacle that not only confuses me (as per the anti-Russia stance), but irritates me.

The thing I hear from EVERY single Ukrainian supporter is 2 things. First, it's "We have to defend Ukraine, because we promised Ukraine if they gave up their nukes after the USSR split apart, we would guarantee their security", followed by "We have to defeat Putin". Lets put the latter aside because it's strictly an emotional argument. Lets look at the former.

The former argument is in regard to the Budapest Memorandum, where Russia, America and the United Kingdom gave security assurances to Ukraine if they gave up their arsenal of nukes that remained from the fall of the USSR.

America (and Americans) took this as a justification to enter the war as a logistical support on Ukraines side to defeat Russia. But...the same guarantee the United States is using as Casus Belli to support Ukraine circa the Russian Invasion.....Russia used the SAME Casus Belli in relation to the 2014 Coup, which preceeded the war in Ukraine.

And NO ONE denies that Condolesa Rice said "Thats our guy" in regards to Zelensky. No one denies at this point that we directly oversaw the 2014 Coup in Ukraine and installed a leader that would not only be pro-America/western forces, but adamantly opposed to Russia all-together.

Again....that preceeds the Russian invasion of Ukraine, which technically means, Russia is the one who had legal and legitimate grounds for a military invasion of Ukraine to overthrow the, for lack of a better word, Junta, that presides over Ukraine currently.

Notice how I didn't even need to get into the nazi chatter either. Maybe this thread I wrote is just irrelevant optics combat.

Those who think symbols dictate who a person is do the same with words and want to ban both. If you look at the swastika before 1939 it was all over the world and used a sacred symbol. How can one group/event make a symbol or word evil? They can't but it makes easy ammunition for criticism.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Prime examples would be the "N" word and the number "666"

History, religion, and the people and atrocities associated with names and symbols can indeed contribute to them being seen or associated with evil.

Same with good, take the cross for instance, which would predate the swastika or be just as old as, although nothing to do with Christianity, any more than the ancient swastika has to do with Nazis.

a reply to: crayzeed

Now you, yes you, please travel to Berlin and start shouting and praising another dead person, one Herr Hitler and really see people getting their panties in a twist. That's after you get out of prison.

By your logic, most of AFD members should be locked in prison and their crappy party should be made illegal. But somehow this is not happening.

Please look up what the "ethnic" Ukrainians did in the Donbas in 2014.

Of course. We heard it all before how they murdered "innocent" Russian militias. They should have let themselves be killed instead.

a reply to: twistedpuppy

Amazing how the Sudetenland scenario has been reborn and re-played. People feel like they're not being treated well by the government ? Then they should go back to "the old country" and STFU.

Cheers

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

Sounds like butthurt to me.

And units insignias aside whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Freedom to Ukraine and down with the Russian invasion farce.

Sounds like being a loud mouthed gullible follower to me. There are nations all over the world warring for different pieces of land and so called freedom. Were you always actively voicing your support for the Ukraine, or did it only start happening only after the Democratic Party was afraid of their nation of money laundering being exposed by the Russian "invasion" that it began? Why not another nation? And you know, it was only in the 90's that much of this fought over land changed hands. Why not call Ukraine the invaders!? Because all land set to what it should be in 2000 or something?

Funny the Democrats call everyone a Nazi and despise the idea of Nazis until it is one of their money laundered who is a Nazi, then it's ok.

a reply to: AlexandrosOMegas

Why not call Ukraine the invaders!? Because all land set to what it should be in 2000 or something?

Let's, see because Ukraine is now a sovereign nation and Russia said they would protect them and never invade springs to mind.

I am not quite sure what your fascination with the millennium is. why 2000 for a start?

Dont you mean 24 August 1991?

a reply to: AlexandrosOMegas

Why do you think Brits might be Democrats?

originally posted by: JadedGhost

A Nightingale is species of bird.

And then we have this.

The national animal of Ukraine is the common nightingale. It holds a very important place in national folklore and legend and is very common throughout the country. It can be found in many different environments in Ukraine and is one of the most recognizable in the country. They are known for their powerful song.

originally posted by: JimmyNeutr0n

The battalion is called Nightingale Battalion, in which Dymtro is the commander.

Do they claim to be Nazis?