Since Trump lied so much in the debate, can you list them?

a reply to: network dude

For sure, also hard to harp on the guy when no one is willing to put up a viable contender.

Most of the lies narrative is deflection. Biden certainly had many embellishments/lies too.

You're purposely misunderstanding. An abortion can't be done on a woman actively in labor or after a baby is born. That is infanticide.

a reply to: frogs453

That is not true. I mentioned infanticide with a question mark and asked for a translation because the govenor was being interviewed and speaking to an abortion bill. All I said was this is what Trump was talking about and it is ambiguous at best and pure evil at worst. I have to say there has been testimony in the Virginia state legislature and it sounds different then how you are stating. I provided an interview with the govenor-can you provide some cooborating links or video to help make your point?
But I am definitely not purposely misunderstanding.

a reply to: pennylane123

What side?

I have said many times that Biden is ga ga and not fit to run.

But never mind.

a reply to: network dude

Sigh. His statement before the often quoted one is left out. It discusses this situation with a non viable fetus. So it could technically have a beating heart when in active labor and possibly shortly after being born. However it will not survive.

"When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of, obviously, the consent of the mother, with the consent of the physicians -- more than one physician, by the way -- and it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that's non-viable."

"If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen," Northam said. "The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother."

13News Now

Again, this is what he said before the often quoted statement.

It appears you are incorrect in your last post as you just took the statement you were told happened without actually knowing the full statement.

Again, a decision between the doctor and mother regarding palliative care or extreme medical intervention on an infant that is not viable.

That so many men believe women with wanted pregnancies are willy nilly trying to kill infants after they are born is amazing.

a reply to: fringeofthefringe
a reply to: network dude

Yes. Trump lied. He lied by saying that Democrats are advocating for abortion after birth. Trump keeps repeating it, and you guys keep reposting it, but it's still a lie.

“If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he continued. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

What is your problem with the above statement? In Northam's hypothetical example? It's always what's done "in cases where there may be severe deformities." What would you rather have happen? What do you think should happen?

The interviewer brought up Monday’s committee hearing, during which Democratic delegate Kathy Tran, the chief sponsor of the bill, stated that her legislation would allow a woman to receive an abortion even while she was going into labor.

This proposed law would have allowed for the doctors of that woman, who is in labor with a fetus with severe deformities to perform an abortion with the woman is in labor, rather than force her to give birth, only to watch her fetus writhe in pain and eventually die a slow painful death.

Here is Northam saying how a late term abortion in such a case as discussed above are traditionally done NOW.

“When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physician — more than one physician, by the way — and it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non-viable.”
.........
In his full answer on WTOP, Northam explains that third trimester abortions are “done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s nonviable.” He then gives the hypothetical example about a mother in labor.
.........
“Trump just posted this video of former VA Governor Ralph Northam supporting ‘post-birth abortions’ aka infanticide.
........
Many posts on multiple platforms quote Northam before stating: “In other words, the Baby would be executed after birth! ALWAYS REMEMBER - THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE RADICALS ON ABORTION.”

But Northam was only addressing what happens in cases where a baby is born with severe deformities and has a low chance of survival.

apnews.com...


Trump lied about Democrats wanting post birth abortions. And so are you guys.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: network dude

Sigh. His statement before the often quoted one is left out. It discusses this situation with a non viable fetus. So it could technically have a beating heart when in active labor and possibly shortly after being born. However it will not survive.

"When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of, obviously, the consent of the mother, with the consent of the physicians -- more than one physician, by the way -- and it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that's non-viable."

"If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen," Northam said. "The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother."

13News Now

Again, this is what he said before the often quoted statement.

It appears you are incorrect in your last post as you just took the statement you were told happened without actually knowing the full statement.

Again, a decision between the doctor and mother regarding palliative care or extreme medical intervention on an infant that is not viable.

That so many men believe women with wanted pregnancies are willy nilly trying to kill infants after they are born is amazing.

So he said it, just like it was printed, but he meant something different. OK. But he still said it, and Trump still didn't lie about this. Or was he still thinking about those fine KKK members in Charlottesville?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Ok that's 1.
Anthony Scaramucci says Trump lied "Every 100 seconds" during the debate.

That leaves 54 lies up for grabs - let's hear 'em.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: fringeofthefringe
a reply to: network dude

Yes. Trump lied. He lied by saying that Democrats are advocating for abortion after birth. Trump keeps repeating it, and you guys keep reposting it, but it's still a lie.

“If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he continued. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

What is your problem with the above statement? In Northam's hypothetical example? It's always what's done "in cases where there may be severe deformities." What would you rather have happen? What do you think should happen?

The interviewer brought up Monday’s committee hearing, during which Democratic delegate Kathy Tran, the chief sponsor of the bill, stated that her legislation would allow a woman to receive an abortion even while she was going into labor.

This proposed law would have allowed for the doctors of that woman, who is in labor with a fetus with severe deformities to perform an abortion with the woman is in labor, rather than force her to give birth, only to watch her fetus writhe in pain and eventually die a slow painful death.

Here is Northam saying how a late term abortion in such a case as discussed above are traditionally done NOW.

“When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physician — more than one physician, by the way — and it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non-viable.”
.........
In his full answer on WTOP, Northam explains that third trimester abortions are “done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s nonviable.” He then gives the hypothetical example about a mother in labor.
.........
“Trump just posted this video of former VA Governor Ralph Northam supporting ‘post-birth abortions’ aka infanticide.
........
Many posts on multiple platforms quote Northam before stating: “In other words, the Baby would be executed after birth! ALWAYS REMEMBER - THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE RADICALS ON ABORTION.”

But Northam was only addressing what happens in cases where a baby is born with severe deformities and has a low chance of survival.

apnews.com...


Trump lied about Democrats wanting post birth abortions. And so are you guys.

So Trump said exactly what Northam said, but because you feel Northam meant something different, that makes what Trump said a lie? It doesn't work that way. Even in clown world. If you say it, it's been said.

Wouldn't making states responsible for their own abortion laws have a greater guarantee that it couldn't be prohibited nation wide by some tyrant?

originally posted by: SomeStupidName
Wouldn't making states responsible for their own abortion laws have a greater guarantee that it couldn't be prohibited nation wide by some tyrant?

yes, and if one state had very restrictive laws, and you were wanting to kill some kids, you would want to move to a state with much more relaxed laws on killing kids. Taxes will suck, but then, everything has a price.

a reply to: network dude

Seriously? You are purposely being obtuse. It was not a stand alone statement. You can see that. You choose not to. Ah well, continue in your delusions. Must be the only way to keep that serotonin and anger going. Have fun.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: fringeofthefringe
a reply to: network dude

Yes. Trump lied. He lied by saying that Democrats are advocating for abortion after birth. Trump keeps repeating it, and you guys keep reposting it, but it's still a lie.

“If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he continued. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

What is your problem with the above statement? In Northam's hypothetical example? It's always what's done "in cases where there may be severe deformities." What would you rather have happen? What do you think should happen?

The interviewer brought up Monday’s committee hearing, during which Democratic delegate Kathy Tran, the chief sponsor of the bill, stated that her legislation would allow a woman to receive an abortion even while she was going into labor.

This proposed law would have allowed for the doctors of that woman, who is in labor with a fetus with severe deformities to perform an abortion with the woman is in labor, rather than force her to give birth, only to watch her fetus writhe in pain and eventually die a slow painful death.

Here is Northam saying how a late term abortion in such a case as discussed above are traditionally done NOW.

“When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physician — more than one physician, by the way — and it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non-viable.”
.........
In his full answer on WTOP, Northam explains that third trimester abortions are “done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s nonviable.” He then gives the hypothetical example about a mother in labor.
.........
“Trump just posted this video of former VA Governor Ralph Northam supporting ‘post-birth abortions’ aka infanticide.
........
Many posts on multiple platforms quote Northam before stating: “In other words, the Baby would be executed after birth! ALWAYS REMEMBER - THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE RADICALS ON ABORTION.”

But Northam was only addressing what happens in cases where a baby is born with severe deformities and has a low chance of survival.

apnews.com...


Trump lied about Democrats wanting post birth abortions. And so are you guys.

So Trump said exactly what Northam said, but because you feel Northam meant something different, that makes what Trump said a lie? It doesn't work that way. Even in clown world. If you say it, it's been said.

NO. Trump misrepresented what Northam said, when Northam explained what already happens, every day, when a woman gives birth to an infant with deformities incompatible with life.

Trump conflated that statement into Northam advocating for doctors and parents discussing the murder of, presumably, a perfectly health but unwanted infant. He lied. He keeps lying, and you guys keep repeating the lie, even after being corrected time after time.

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originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: network dude

Seriously? You are purposely being obtuse. It was not a stand alone statement. You can see that. You choose not to. Ah well, continue in your delusions. Must be the only way to keep that serotonin and anger going. Have fun.

either it was said, or it wasn't. Was it said? You even quoted it. So I have to assume it was said.

Trump may not be right in thinking that's what he meant, be he's 100% right in saying that's what was said. Know why? Because it was said. And saved. And printed. And now linked so everyone can read it.

eta,
I'm not angry. I'm fricking loving this. Nobody has to so or say anything, and it will still all fall apart. The glue was water based and it just rained. Sorry you were lied to, but at some point, you will have to realize it, accept it, and learn from it. Or repeat it again, and again, and again.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: fringeofthefringe
a reply to: network dude

Yes. Trump lied. He lied by saying that Democrats are advocating for abortion after birth. Trump keeps repeating it, and you guys keep reposting it, but it's still a lie.

“If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he continued. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

What is your problem with the above statement? In Northam's hypothetical example? It's always what's done "in cases where there may be severe deformities." What would you rather have happen? What do you think should happen?

The interviewer brought up Monday’s committee hearing, during which Democratic delegate Kathy Tran, the chief sponsor of the bill, stated that her legislation would allow a woman to receive an abortion even while she was going into labor.

This proposed law would have allowed for the doctors of that woman, who is in labor with a fetus with severe deformities to perform an abortion with the woman is in labor, rather than force her to give birth, only to watch her fetus writhe in pain and eventually die a slow painful death.

Here is Northam saying how a late term abortion in such a case as discussed above are traditionally done NOW.

“When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physician — more than one physician, by the way — and it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non-viable.”
.........
In his full answer on WTOP, Northam explains that third trimester abortions are “done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s nonviable.” He then gives the hypothetical example about a mother in labor.
.........
“Trump just posted this video of former VA Governor Ralph Northam supporting ‘post-birth abortions’ aka infanticide.
........
Many posts on multiple platforms quote Northam before stating: “In other words, the Baby would be executed after birth! ALWAYS REMEMBER - THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE RADICALS ON ABORTION.”

But Northam was only addressing what happens in cases where a baby is born with severe deformities and has a low chance of survival.

apnews.com...


Trump lied about Democrats wanting post birth abortions. And so are you guys.

So Trump said exactly what Northam said, but because you feel Northam meant something different, that makes what Trump said a lie? It doesn't work that way. Even in clown world. If you say it, it's been said.

NO. Trump misrepresented what Northam said, when Northam explained what already happens, every day, when a woman gives birth to an infant with deformities incompatible with life.

Trump conflated that statement into Northam advocating for doctors and parents discussing the murder of, presumably, a perfectly health but unwanted infant. He lied. He keeps lying, and you guys keep repeating the lie, even after being corrected time after time.

it was a reason Northam didn't get re-elected and Younkin did. Hate the game, not the player. Unless he's orange. then you can hate him.

a reply to: Degradation33

I've said this before, and I'll say it again...we may not agree on all things, but I really like and appreciate your participation in this forum! I honestly do.

You are direct, and I like that (a lot). You're also pretty well informed, and I appreciate that also.

Again, we may not always agree, but I will read what you have to say every single time.

From one 'old-geezer' to another 'geezette' I guess!

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: CriticalStinker


He’ll likely get a second go at things though, so I’m curious how that will go.

I predict the greatest economy known to man. Better than any other economy. the greatest.

I realize your post is likely a bit tongue-in-cheek, but to be perfectly candid...if Trump can even just save us from complete bankruptcy and collapse as a nation, at this point, he will have become one of the greatest presidents in history. I don't even care if it's the 'greatest economy in the world', I just hope it's still an 'economy' at all, and everything we've worked for, for an entire career, isn't lost. If he can accomplish that, he'll be the greatest in my book.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

“If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he continued. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

What is your problem with the above statement?

this deserves an answer.

The problem I have with this, is the deformed monster that was born, is still a human, alive, outside the womb, and the only thing that separates that child from a 30 year old mentally challenged kid in a wheelchair is 30 years. If you think killing the baby just after birth is OK, then what stops you from killing the 30 year old. Hell, you might want to retire and relax after taking care of a special needs kid for 30 years. Got a glock? BOOM, situation fixed, Beach here you come.

See, that's why it's a problem. It sucks, it's not fair. And I'd hate to be in the position. But I know many who were, and however they justify it, they all claim to love their kids. Even if they are special. Ask around.

a reply to: network dude

Was it said?

No! Northam never said that he wanted doctors and parents to discuss the murder of newborn babies.

What he did talk about was doctors discussing with parents whether or not resuscitate and/or to apply palliative care to an infant whose prognosis to survive may be excruciating pain and eventual death.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: CriticalStinker


He’ll likely get a second go at things though, so I’m curious how that will go.

I predict the greatest economy known to man. Better than any other economy. the greatest.

I realize your post is likely a bit tongue-in-cheek, but to be perfectly candid...if Trump can even just save us from complete bankruptcy and collapse as a nation, at this point, he will have become one of the greatest presidents in history. I don't even care if it's the 'greatest economy in the world', I just hope it's still an 'economy' at all, and everything we've worked for, for an entire career, isn't lost. If he can accomplish that, he'll be the greatest in my book.

it was a joke, as that's how he talks. Bombastic. Dickheadish at times. But I do agree, it's going to take a miracle to get us out of this. I do smile at the fact that he won't be worried about what the left thinks, they no longer matter. He will be in DGAF mode on day 1 as far at that goes. And if he has the house and senate, then they won't be able to "impeach the muther f'er" on day 1 or day 1460. All they can do is complain and lie. So there is that.

Knowing I can't control anything by my actions, I'm just going to enjoy what I can, and laugh at the idiots as often as possible, since I'm in this for the giggles.