something about the moon landing that makes me go hmmm

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

That is a nice photo but it is not a question of resolution but exposure. You can't take a photo of something dim with a much brighter object in the field of view. If the exposure were set for the stars, the Earth and Moon would look like taking pictures of lightbulbs. They would be that overexposed.

We see stars when we are in the shadow of the sunlight, at night. We don't see them in daylight because they are very dim compared to everything else.

a reply to: BeyondKnowledge3

Interesting explanation, I’ll have to dig into it and read up on it. Thank you.

a reply to: chr0naut

Been there, and Narrabri. Spent a few shifts running the place (Narrabri), as a student.

that's cool must have been fun.

yeah that's the movie i was thinking of couldn't remember it. wondering about the name though, i thought they were Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station and Parkes Radio Observatory in Australia, and Goldstone Deep Space Communications Complex in kommiefornia

for those interested the name of the system NASA used is Slow-scan television (SSTV) and it is done with radio waves converted to Video Signal.

The Apollo TV cameras used SSTV to transmit images from inside Apollo 7, Apollo 8, and Apollo 9, as well as the Apollo 11 Lunar Module television from the Moon. NASA had taken all the original tapes and erased them for use on subsequent missions; however, the Apollo 11 Tape Search and Restoration Team formed in 2003 tracked down the highest-quality films among the converted recordings of the first broadcast, pieced together the best parts, then contracted a specialist film restoration company to enhance the degraded black-and-white film and convert it into digital format for archival records.[5] The SSTV system used in NASA's early Apollo missions transferred 10 frames per second with a resolution of 320 frame lines in order to use less bandwidth than a normal
Slow-scan television

they've also restoration in 2009 from the live feed recording and have new footage from the Honeysuckle Creek tracking station. It came pout on DVD, don't know if it is still available.

but you know those that say we didn't go will say that the new footage and DVD is a cover up.

Apollo 11 Restored Video

a reply to: pennylane123

Well I feel like Apollo 11's landing and successful return of astronauts to earth is one of if not THE absolute greatest accomplishments of our time. Not just America, our time in existence as humanity in general.

So no. I'm as much of a conspiracy theorist as the next guy and I am SO jealous these guys got to be the first ones to set foot on the lunar surface. Total legends. Unmatched bravery and courage in literally going where no man has gone before. Amazing.

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
You want a camera on the Moon looking at Earth and streaming video? You would see a small ball in the distance......

And yet we see an even smaller ball in the distance when we look at the MOON with our naked eyes and it gets plenty of attention and interest 24/7.

THEY NEVER WENT imho. Most Sheeple are stupid enough to be ignorant enough to believe ANYTHING if His Master's Voice is convincing enough.

Still not a single Personal Portrait of an astronaut walking on the Moon. Just a bunch of Sun Visors and shadows.

For the best ever comprehensive deep dive so far into the fake moon landing, watch THIS LONG BUT BRILLIANT DOCUMENTARY. So many new considerations.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: chr0naut

Been there, and Narrabri. Spent a few shifts running the place (Narrabri), as a student.

that's cool must have been fun.

yeah that's the movie i was thinking of couldn't remember it. wondering about the name though, i thought they were Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station and Parkes Radio Observatory in Australia, and Goldstone Deep Space Communications Complex in kommiefornia

for those interested the name of the system NASA used is Slow-scan television (SSTV) and it is done with radio waves converted to Video Signal.

The Apollo TV cameras used SSTV to transmit images from inside Apollo 7, Apollo 8, and Apollo 9, as well as the Apollo 11 Lunar Module television from the Moon. NASA had taken all the original tapes and erased them for use on subsequent missions; however, the Apollo 11 Tape Search and Restoration Team formed in 2003 tracked down the highest-quality films among the converted recordings of the first broadcast, pieced together the best parts, then contracted a specialist film restoration company to enhance the degraded black-and-white film and convert it into digital format for archival records.[5] The SSTV system used in NASA's early Apollo missions transferred 10 frames per second with a resolution of 320 frame lines in order to use less bandwidth than a normal
Slow-scan television

they've also restoration in 2009 from the live feed recording and have new footage from the Honeysuckle Creek tracking station. It came pout on DVD, don't know if it is still available.

but you know those that say we didn't go will say that the new footage and DVD is a cover up.

Apollo 11 Restored Video

Yeah. It was fun.

Most of the job was fairly repetitive, because the receivers are all cryonic, to reduce radio noise, but this makes them thermally unstable, so it was necessary to get levels from a calibration star and then get readings from the target, over and over again. It also smooths out any atmospheric irregularities.

If you go up on a dish, you can hear the 'pfft-pfft' sound of the cryonic pumps that keep the liquid nitrogen circulating.

It was mainly graveyard shifts, but sunrise over the desert first thing in the morning, with a cup of coffee, and birdcalls all 'round you, is beautiful.

Getting back to the Moon landing, I think the moment of touchdown and early video of the lander on the ground were via Parkes, then there was a switch-over to Honeysuckle Creek dish for the main moonwalk, as it came out of the Earth's shadow.

If you have a look at the footage, you can probably see the improvement in resolution after it switched. I think it was after Armstrong left the ladder.

(BTW I was only a kid when the moon landing happened. It was years later in 2004 when I ran the console at Narrabri.

The observation run I was doing confirmed alcohol chemistry in deep space in a stellar nursery area - can't recall the exact one but I think it was in Sagittarius - Omega, perhaps?

Anyway, the PhD whose name was on the paper that was finally released got her 5 minutes of fame from it. I still remember her talking to a school class later who asked her to point out where her 'discovery' was, and her response was, "what do you think I am, a boy-scout?" - LOL, illusion broken).

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Mate it's pretty straight forward .

There are things on the moon and happening on the moon that have to be kept secret.

Aliens , Bases etc etc etc . take your pick

Thank you.

It isn't that we didn't get there.

It's what was found there.

a reply to: Lumenari

I'll take things I wish I new for $500 Alex.....


All I know is that we didn't go back. That Mars looked much more appealing.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Lumenari

I'll take things I wish I new for $500 Alex.....


All I know is that we didn't go back. That Mars looked much more appealing.

The Hopi are taught that we have been there before... the last time we left this planet for other planets.

To them, one of the signs that the end of the 4th world is coming is because of what they find when the Eagle lands on the moon this cycle.

"The Eagle has landed."

Where have I heard that before?

a reply to: Lumenari

I'm vaguely familiar with Hopi "legends" and teachings.

I ponder if when they refer to "leaving the planet" that it was not this one they left.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Mate it's pretty straight forward .

There are things on the moon and happening on the moon that have to be kept secret.

Aliens , Bases etc etc etc . take your pick

Thank you.

It isn't that we didn't get there.

It's what was found there.

Almost all Ancient cultures talk about the Great Flood .

But It may surprise some people that many ancient cultures also refer to a time when the Moon was not in the sky .

Matter of fact The Great Flood coincides with the arrival of the Moon if I'm not mistaken , which would make sense considering the Moons influence over the tides.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Lumenari

I'm vaguely familiar with Hopi "legends" and teachings.

I ponder if when they refer to "leaving the planet" that it was not this one they left.

We left this one a long time ago.

The human species, that is.

Then the planet was reseeded much later by the 4 Peoples... red, white, black, yellow.



Most older cultures have an understanding of where what we call Sirius B is.

Even if you can't actually see it with the naked eye.

Most older cultures also have somewhere in their culture the exact same picture I posted.

Anyways, that's where the Hopi are taught the 4 Peoples came from.

Those 4 so far have destroyed this planet 3 times and are about to do it a 4th.

All because we just can't seem to get the social experiment right and evolve.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Lumenari

I'll take things I wish I new for $500 Alex.....


All I know is that we didn't go back. That Mars looked much more appealing.

The Hopi are taught that we have been there before... the last time we left this planet for other planets.

To them, one of the signs that the end of the 4th world is coming is because of what they find when the Eagle lands on the moon this cycle.

"The Eagle has landed."

Where have I heard that before?

Ty learned something very interesting today. I would be very interested in learning more about Hopi beliefs. I think it would be an interesting thread ?

Maybe you have already done one .

But I would definitely read it

a reply to: Lumenari

Is there any room for inherent humanistic traits that beckon if not beg for its own demise after a certain comfort level is reached?

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Lumenari

Is there any room for inherent humanistic traits that beckon if not beg for its own demise after a certain comfort level is reached?

The experiment is to see if we as a species in a controlled environment could evolve past that.

I've no real hope for this current incarnation to succeed.

Isn't the first time we have failed, after all..

If this were baseball, we are at the bottom of the 4th and have 3 more innings before the game ends.

If we lose, those left get to go back Home.

originally posted by: pennylane123

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Lumenari

I'll take things I wish I new for $500 Alex.....


All I know is that we didn't go back. That Mars looked much more appealing.

The Hopi are taught that we have been there before... the last time we left this planet for other planets.

To them, one of the signs that the end of the 4th world is coming is because of what they find when the Eagle lands on the moon this cycle.

"The Eagle has landed."

Where have I heard that before?

Ty learned something very interesting today. I would be very interested in learning more about Hopi beliefs. I think it would be an interesting thread ?

Maybe you have already done one .

But I would definitely read it

I apologize for the thread drift.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: pennylane123

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Lumenari

I'll take things I wish I new for $500 Alex.....


All I know is that we didn't go back. That Mars looked much more appealing.

The Hopi are taught that we have been there before... the last time we left this planet for other planets.

To them, one of the signs that the end of the 4th world is coming is because of what they find when the Eagle lands on the moon this cycle.

"The Eagle has landed."

Where have I heard that before?

Ty learned something very interesting today. I would be very interested in learning more about Hopi beliefs. I think it would be an interesting thread ?

Maybe you have already done one .

But I would definitely read it

I apologize for the thread drift.

What ? no no no. I was being very sincere and could not care any less about thread drift.

When I re read my comment I see how you could take it that way.

but no not how it was intended. I would very much like to hear more This thread or any thread.

a reply to: Lumenari

Well, I guess being good at baseball may prove valid?

a reply to: nerbot

Please see my explanation of why there are no stars in the Earth above the Moon photo above. The same applies to the space helmets.

You don't expect lights inside them like in the movies do you. If they did that the astronauts could not see out.

a reply to: BeyondKnowledge3

Interesting Observation there and you are Correct . So , do you Think that Particular Apollo11 Photo was Faked or Genuine ?


How about this One ?