SCOTUS should NOT Make Former Presidents Immune to Prosecution for Crimes Committed in Office.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: fringeofthefringe

The military fully falls under the command of the Executive Branch. So if it is the prerogative of the Executive Branch that someone is an enemy of the state that needs to be eliminated, how is that not an official act?

Posse Comitatus Act
2nd

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: WeMustCare

If President Biden, or President Trump, called on Seal Team Six to assassinate a political rival, We The People would never know about it. It would be an official presidential Top-Secret act, protected under the guise of "national security" (Thank you Patriot Act). Because of this SCOTUS opinion, it would be an "absolutely immune act".

Military Tribunals of Biden(treason) and Obama(insurrection) are official acts too. Those will happen even if Donald Trump mysteriously vanishes.

a reply to: peter_kandra

The court ruled that a prosecutor cannot question the motives behind a President's actions. The President has authority to order the military under the Commander in Chief Clause.

Therefore, if Biden orders SEAL Team 6 to kill Trump, a prosecutor would not be able to question whether or not such an action was taken for political reasons. So how would a prosecutor be able to show such an act is not official if they're not allowed to question the motive?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: WeMustCare

So you agree that Biden could have Trump killed by SEAL Team 6 and there's nothing that could be done about it? That's what SCOTUS just ruled.

You are reacting emotionally.
The ruling makes perfect sense.
It means all cases need to be assessed against Presidential immunity. It is not a carte blanche to murder people
Stop being stupid.

Read and try to understand this is a great win for Democracy because it undercuts the use of the law to go after political opponents.

The President enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts, and not everything the President does is official. The President is not above the law. But Congress may not criminalize the President’s conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the Executive Branch under the Constitution. And the system of separated powers designed by the Framers has always demanded an energetic, independent Executive.

The President therefore may not be prosecuted for exercising his core constitutional powers, and he is entitled, at a minimum, to a presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. That immunity applies equally to all occupants of the Oval Office, regardless of politics, policy, or party.

originally posted by: Moon68
The infantile wet dreams of the mentally unhinged drama queen retards being aired on this public forum is...entertaining, to say the least. Please, continue to regale us with your hyperbolic fantasies.

What arguments, exactly, are you taking issue with? Because, if it's about the hypothetical assassination of a political rival by Seal Team Six, that is exactly the question that the Supreme Court probed when they initially heard this case. So, "this public forum" is discussing the same infantile west dreams of a wanna-be dictator that all the other public forums are discussing.


a reply to: PorkChop96

In what tard ass universe would any court see the murder of a political rival as "official business" for any president?

Thanks to this ruling, no "tard-ass" court ever see such a case. Even Congress wouldn't have access to the testimony of any conversations/order between the Executive Branch and his cabinet officers and their staff.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Oh Sookie...

Bless your heart darling

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: WeMustCare

So you agree that Biden could have Trump killed by SEAL Team 6 and there's nothing that could be done about it? That's what SCOTUS just ruled.

You are reacting emotionally.
The ruling makes perfect sense.
It means all cases need to be assessed against Presidential immunity. It is not a carte blanche to murder people
Stop being stupid.

Read and try to understand this is a great win for Democracy because it undercuts the use of the law to go after political opponents.

The President enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts, and not everything the President does is official. The President is not above the law. But Congress may not criminalize the President’s conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the Executive Branch under the Constitution. And the system of separated powers designed by the Framers has always demanded an energetic, independent Executive.

The President therefore may not be prosecuted for exercising his core constitutional powers, and he is entitled, at a minimum, to a presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. That immunity applies equally to all occupants of the Oval Office, regardless of politics, policy, or party.

That's why I said earlier today, it appears nothing has changed.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Moon68
The infantile wet dreams of the mentally unhinged drama queen retards being aired on this public forum is...entertaining, to say the least. Please, continue to regale us with your hyperbolic fantasies.

What arguments, exactly, are you taking issue with? Because, if it's about the hypothetical assassination of a political rival by Seal Team Six, that is exactly the question that the Supreme Court probed when they initially heard this case. So, "this public forum" is discussing the same infantile west dreams of a wanna-be dictator that all the other public forums are discussing.


a reply to: PorkChop96

In what tard ass universe would any court see the murder of a political rival as "official business" for any president?

Thanks to this ruling, no "tard-ass" court ever see such a case. Even Congress wouldn't have access to the testimony of any conversations/order between the Executive Branch and his cabinet officers and their staff.

Explain how assassinating an American citizen is an official act of the President.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: WeMustCare

So you agree that Biden could have Trump killed by SEAL Team 6 and there's nothing that could be done about it? That's what SCOTUS just ruled.

On U.S. Soil?? 😬

[troll question for a troll statement]

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: WeMustCare

So you agree that Biden could have Trump killed by SEAL Team 6 and there's nothing that could be done about it? That's what SCOTUS just ruled.

You are reacting emotionally.
The ruling makes perfect sense.
It means all cases need to be assessed against Presidential immunity. It is not a carte blanche to murder people
Stop being stupid.

Read and try to understand this is a great win for Democracy because it undercuts the use of the law to go after political opponents.

The President enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts, and not everything the President does is official. The President is not above the law. But Congress may not criminalize the President’s conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the Executive Branch under the Constitution. And the system of separated powers designed by the Framers has always demanded an energetic, independent Executive.

The President therefore may not be prosecuted for exercising his core constitutional powers, and he is entitled, at a minimum, to a presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. That immunity applies equally to all occupants of the Oval Office, regardless of politics, policy, or party.

That's why I said earlier today, it appears nothing has changed.

Exactly and the SC only needed to step in because of the banana republic lawfare the Democrats have undertaken.

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: WeMustCare

If President Biden, or President Trump, called on Seal Team Six to assassinate a political rival, We The People would never know about it. It would be an official presidential Top-Secret act, protected under the guise of "national security" (Thank you Patriot Act). Because of this SCOTUS opinion, it would be an "absolutely immune act".

Military Tribunals of Biden(treason) and Obama(insurrection) are official acts too. Those will happen even if Donald Trump mysteriously vanishes.

Where did you see military courts exempt from this SCOTUS opinion?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: peter_kandra

The court ruled that a prosecutor cannot question the motives behind a President's actions. The President has authority to order the military under the Commander in Chief Clause.

Therefore, if Biden orders SEAL Team 6 to kill Trump, a prosecutor would not be able to question whether or not such an action was taken for political reasons. So how would a prosecutor be able to show such an act is not official if they're not allowed to question the motive?

Sure...just not on American soil.

a reply to: UKTruth

As I mentioned above, a prosecutor is not allowed to question a President's motive. It also doesn't allow them to present communications between the President and their associates.

So how does a prosecutor go about showing an act is unofficial when they can't question motive or present evidence?

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Moon68
The infantile wet dreams of the mentally unhinged drama queen retards being aired on this public forum is...entertaining, to say the least. Please, continue to regale us with your hyperbolic fantasies.

What arguments, exactly, are you taking issue with? Because, if it's about the hypothetical assassination of a political rival by Seal Team Six, that is exactly the question that the Supreme Court probed when they initially heard this case. So, "this public forum" is discussing the same infantile west dreams of a wanna-be dictator that all the other public forums are discussing.


a reply to: PorkChop96

In what tard ass universe would any court see the murder of a political rival as "official business" for any president?

Thanks to this ruling, no "tard-ass" court ever see such a case. Even Congress wouldn't have access to the testimony of any conversations/order between the Executive Branch and his cabinet officers and their staff.

Explain how assassinating an American citizen is an official act of the President.

The Patriot Act coupled with this SCOTUS opinion giving POTUS absolute immunity on "official acts".

a reply to: UKTruth

The Commander in Chief clause bestows upon the President the authority to command the military. Therefore, anny order given by the President to the military can be interpreted as an official act.

The only way to prove otherwise would be to dig into the President's motives behind an order. Something this court just ruled is not allowed.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I really think there are a few of you that should really get help for your TDS, gotten bad the last few months.

Please, enlighten us on how the execution of a private citizen would be classified as "official business" for the president?

you try so hard, and get nowhere. Bless your heart

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: WeMustCare

So you agree that Biden could have Trump killed by SEAL Team 6 and there's nothing that could be done about it? That's what SCOTUS just ruled.

On U.S. Soil?? 😬

[troll question for a troll statement]

Does terrorism, foreign and/or domestic, happen on US soil?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Moon68
The infantile wet dreams of the mentally unhinged drama queen retards being aired on this public forum is...entertaining, to say the least. Please, continue to regale us with your hyperbolic fantasies.

What arguments, exactly, are you taking issue with? Because, if it's about the hypothetical assassination of a political rival by Seal Team Six, that is exactly the question that the Supreme Court probed when they initially heard this case. So, "this public forum" is discussing the same infantile west dreams of a wanna-be dictator that all the other public forums are discussing.


a reply to: PorkChop96

In what tard ass universe would any court see the murder of a political rival as "official business" for any president?

Thanks to this ruling, no "tard-ass" court ever see such a case. Even Congress wouldn't have access to the testimony of any conversations/order between the Executive Branch and his cabinet officers and their staff.

Explain how assassinating an American citizen is an official act of the President.

The Patriot Act coupled with this SCOTUS opinion giving POTUS absolute immunity on "official acts".

No, it does not.
Stop reading whatever nonsense you are reading.

Sumamry

The ruling rejects a decision from a federal appeals court in February that found Trump enjoyed no immunity for alleged crimes he committed during his presidency to reverse the 2020 election results. Today’s decision says presidents have immunity for official acts but not all acts are official, and lower courts must decide which acts qualify for each. Trump called the decision a “big win.”

Your Trump hate is making you scream at the sky and misinterpret what just happened.
This is a great day for ANYONE who is against political corruption using lawfare - the likes we have seen recently.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Sookiechacha

I really think there are a few of you that should really get help for your TDS, gotten bad the last few months.

Please, enlighten us on how the execution of a private citizen would be classified as "official business" for the president?

you try so hard, and get nowhere. Bless your heart

National security and the Patriot Act, coupled with this new SCOTUS opinion.

a reply to: UKTruth



You're just wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.