Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda

originally posted by: jofafot

If they had weapons then they are not exactly a "civilian".

😂😂😂😂😂

WTF?

So, only bank robbers are military personnel?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: jofafot
...if what they did was loot empty places and keep hostages after hamas did what they did I don't see how that can be considered civilians causing more "death and destruction".

The "civilians" took hostages. How were those hostages treated? Raped? Tortured? Starved? Killed? Taking hostages on Oct 7 is participating participating in the terrorist attack. They also looted and robbed the homes on Oct 7. That's participating. And of course there was all the dancing for joy in the streets and the harassing of the hostages as they were paraded through the streets of Gaza. And some of the 'civilians' took hostages and sold them to Hamas. I read about that as well ... told by some of the hostages that were released.

Like I said .. they were up to their eyeballs in participating and approving of it.

Funny how things not of the narrative get ignored?

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: YourFaceAgain
You just posted news against my country? You are clearly biased and need to be "corrected".
You just posted news that favors my country? You are clearly objective and spreading truth.
There is a veeery thin line between these two views and that's the line israel is trying to walk on with their various "correction" organizations.

The organizations I was referring to aren't Israel-based.

originally posted by: jofafot

It doesn't matter, even if they were usa based what I said still holds true.

What you said, my bolding:

There is a veeery thin line between these two views and that's the line israel is trying to walk on with their various "correction" organizations.

That absolutely does not still hold true if they are US-based. You literally said they were Israel's correction organizations. (If you wanna try to say you didn't say that exactly, yes you did. The bolded "their" in your sentence I quoted above assigns ownership of the orgs to Israel. So you were either saying they belong to Israel, or you just aren't good with English--if the latter, then consider this just a friendly correction. But either way, they're not Israel's. That's flat-out false.)

And that's ignoring the rest of what I said, that the orgs don't issue the corrections, nor does Israel. The corrections come from the media.

You were wrong. It's that simple.

I asked for a proof for your claim. Which you provided. After I asked. But before you did that you made sure to praise yourself for "not using my claim as evidence". Maybe you should be more honest.

I think what you're trying to say here is my little dig at you was not honest because I previously made claims that I didn't source? Is that right?

I was talking. It's a forum. That's what people do. I posted something that is pretty common knowledge for people who have followed this for a while. I didn't realize you're new to this and would need a source for what I posted. Excuse me for not including sources for every single thing I say.

Again, this is really wild coming from someone who hasn't sourced anything he's said in the last few pages.

Sorry, you lost me with that name. If I were to trust that site I might as well trust aljazeera too 😂

This is a logical fallacy known as the fallacy of origins. You'll notice I use sources from all angles, even ones that have political leanings I don't agree with. You should try to be more open-minded, especially when I explained that the article contains links to outside sources (not The Federalist) to back up what they're saying.

Edit: And yeah, Lazy88 is right, this is getting way off topic.

originally posted by: jofafot
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If they had weapons then they are not exactly a "civilian". Which civilian runs around with a weapon in hand and takes hostages?

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Lots of sick “civilians”…

a reply to: Lazy88

Do you have any evidence the claims of Israel committing genocide are anything other than propaganda. You know. The topic of this thread.

I don't think there is a genocide, said so multiple times.

ask questions that are off topic to this thread to derail this thread

I disagreed with what's written. If what's written in this thread was ALREADY off-topic that's the root cause of your problem. Go find and reply to that person whoever started the "off-topic" talk.

But do you want to know what is truly, undeniably off-topic?
Creating conspiracy theories about a member of the forum.

a reply to: jofafot

You’re the one that keeps replying.

So. What evidence is there that the citizens of Gaza support or don’t support the actions of Hamas which are actual genocide. From the continued rocket attacks for years where weapons and munitions stored in schools, to the actions of Oct 7.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: jofafot

You’re the one that keeps replying.

So. What evidence is there that the citizens of Gaza support or don’t support the actions of Hamas which are actual genocide. From the continued rocket attacks for years where weapons and munitions stored in schools, to the actions of Oct 7.

I know you weren't asking me, and I know you know this, but the polls in Gaza (done by Palestinians) show a majority of Palestinians support Hamas and their actions, including Oct 7 and including the willful targeting of civilians (which, as you noted, is a war crime.)

a reply to: YourFaceAgain

And here is where I say that the evidence says otherwise. And then we argue over whose source is more or less biased. And round and round we go. How childish. How so very #ing childish. Is this the best we got anymore? This isn't a #ing game of political one upsmanship for us to play against each other.

Man is destroying itself over ideologies and other petty nonsense and we argue over who is more right for doing it based around more ideologies.

How petty.

originally posted by: Lazy88

Lots of sick “civilians”…

Similar to all those sick ''settlers'' @ October 2, Al-Aqsa mosque was raided by Israeli settlers, leading to Hamas’s [Al-Aqsa Flood] retaliation on October 7.

Certainly looks like an orchestrated and controlled genocide and it is being televised, 24/7, and drip fed, globally.

originally posted by: MrPlowC
a reply to: YourFaceAgain

And here is where I say that the evidence says otherwise. And then we argue over whose source is more or less biased. And round and round we go. How childish. How so very #ing childish. Is this the best we got anymore? This isn't a #ing game of political one upsmanship for us to play against each other.

Wrong. I don't have to even argue over whose sources are more reliable. It's a very simple analysis, and like I said, even uses HAMAS's numbers, which is not me arguing over whose source is less biased. Even using Israel's enemy as the source, the genocide claim is debunked.

Man is destroying itself over ideologies and other petty nonsense and we argue over who is more right for doing it based around more ideologies.

This is just nonsense. Man isn't destroying itself. War kills a miniscule fraction of our species every year. I still wish war didn't happen, but this kind of hyperbolic nonsense is what's "petty." Maybe the reason you think it's all a pointless back and forth is because you're not discussing the matter from a standpoint of reality. Come join the rest of us there.

originally posted by: covent

originally posted by: Lazy88

Lots of sick “civilians”…

Similar to all those sick ''settlers'' @ October 2, Al-Aqsa mosque was raided by Israeli settlers, leading to Hamas’s [Al-Aqsa Flood] retaliation on October 7.

Certainly looks like an orchestrated and controlled genocide and it is being televised, 24/7, and drip fed, globally.

Ah, the old "It's the JEWS' FAULT!!! that a bunch of Jews got raped and murdered" angle, eh? Haven't seen that one in a while. Thanks for the laugh.

Wrong. I don't have to even argue over whose sources are more reliable. It's a very simple analysis, and like I said, even uses HAMAS's numbers, which is not me arguing over whose source is less biased. Even using Israel's enemy as the source, the genocide claim is debunked.

What the hell are you even talking about numbers? I am talking about intent.
Israel has demonstrably bombed and destroyed indiscriminately since day one. That is why it is being labeled called a genocide, IN THE MAKING. The point being is pretty #ing stupid to WAIT until the numbers do qualify as genocide before we label it as such.
When war pops off, the intention of the soldiers is to totally destroy the enemy. In the history of man, we have only recently put some rules in place to keep the numbers low. Do you know why? Because the concept of genocide didn't exist previously. We just called it war.
If it isn't genocide, it will certainly do until the genocide gets here.
I think it is hilarious how naïve you are to the reality that BOTH sides would love nothing more than the other to just be gone. You know that's the truth and any denial otherwise purely to play more childish games of political one-upsmanship

This is just nonsense. Man isn't destroying itself. War kills a miniscule fraction of our species every year. I still wish war didn't happen, but this kind of hyperbolic nonsense is what's "petty." Maybe the reason you think it's all a pointless back and forth is because you're not discussing the matter from a standpoint of reality. Come join the rest of us there.

It doesn't matter if it is one person a day or millions. War is always one hurt feeling away from happening all of the time in your degenerate ideas of "reality". Accepting this sick "reality," that man will always inevitably kill each other and that we only need to do whatever it necessary to keep the numbers low, is not a real measure of adjustment in society.
You live in fear. Nothing more or less. Call it whatever childish names you want to call it to justify it, it is nothing but fear.

a reply to: MrPlowC

“I’m clutching my pearls and moving the goalposts on Israel” would have been much less wordy.

a reply to: MrPlowC

It doesn't matter if it is one person a day or millions. War is always one hurt feeling away from happening all of the time in your degenerate ideas of "reality". Accepting this sick "reality," that man will always inevitably kill each other and that we only need to do whatever it necessary to keep the numbers low, is not a real measure of adjustment in society.
You live in fear. Nothing more or less. Call it whatever childish names you want to call it to justify it, it is nothing but fear.

That is the truth but most people can't face the truth.
They want the comfortable lie.

a reply to: Vermilion

Are you kidding ? Palestinian Center for POLICY and SURVEY RESEARCH?

Not biased or anything right… has Arabic writing across the top of the page.

the genocide, pure propaganda.

If Israel wanted to they could kill everyone in gaza and the west bank before the world could even draft a strongly worded language.

They have that capability, the fact they are still trying to tip toe through a mine field also strongly advocates that it is propaganda.

a reply to: Irishhaf

If Israel wanted to they could kill everyone in gaza

But if Israel did that, wouldn't it be judged as an obvious war crime according to the technical definition?

If they take a slower more deliberate, systemic approach then the issue
becomes debatable.

For as long as I remember, Israel had this so called ( Iron Dome ) that prevented any hostile missile attacks. That obviously is not the case and I find it strange. Strange is "what is the truth" are all these countries just "propaganda" makes one think? Strange is the U.S. giving money to these countries that (we U.S. citizens) are constantly told about the U.S. Debt? Debt, 🤔 maybe the U.S. has more money then they ( Government ) let's citizens know.
Fact: The U.S. Government is greedy trying so hard to dictate to the world.
We're Doomed We're Doomed 😣😣😖🫂

a reply to: Lazy88

a reply to: Electriccowboy

Here’s a video of the Iron Dome in action.

t.me...

Here is a video of Hamas on October 7

t.me...

I’m curious how you equate the Iron Dome with the latter.