Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: cherokeetroy

Ever since the MSM decided to become toe suckers of the democratic party, we lost journalistic integrity.

In the Ukraine war, my favorite has been the way they have to pretend they didn't spend years writing breathless articles about the "rise of the far right in Eastern Europe" and specifically neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine.

a reply to: YourFaceAgain

Says the guy who saw a few videos and thinks they know what the entire attack looked like...

So, where is your proof? You should have some proof from october 7 attacks. I'm saying what I saw is an evidence against your point. If you have an evidence that is also from october 7, where civilians are visibly helping hamas instead of just cheering from sides, feel free to provide it so I can take a look at it. But here is the thing, I don't think you can do it because those videos are deleted from most of the internet a long time ago. Hence why I said this:

You disagree based on assumption. I disagree based on what I saw from the videos hamas itself uploaded everywhere during october 7 and the following week.

I would call you stupid, but I don't like to compliment Hamas supporters.

I am not taking any pills. Which one are you taking? The blue one or the red one?

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

My question is do you have proof that everything your leadership's telling you is the full truth?

Hello. Already answered your question. I use information out of Gaza, out of Israel, from Hamas, from Isreal, form civilian third party, and comparing local videos that surface.

There’s more to the world than democrats and republicans.

Welcome to the Information Age.

Any evidence anyone other than Hamas committing genocide.

originally posted by: jofafot

So, where is your proof? You should have some proof from october 7 attacks.

WTF?

Israeli hostage recounts sexual assault in Gaza captivity -NYT
By Reuters
March 26, 20243:00 PM EDTUpdated 2 months ago

www.reuters.com...

Amit Soussana, 40, was taken hostage on Oct. 7 from Kibbutz Kfar Aza. Security camera footage showed her fighting back against her abductors. She said that around Oct. 24 she was attacked by the man guarding her after washing in the bathroom.

Any evidence Amit Soussana is lying? Wasn’t released by Hamas? Wasn’t kidnapped by Hamas. Wasn’t taken hostage in Israel on Oct 7?

Or you just have slander of victims?

You know Hamas videotape potions of Oct 7?

So your only defense is to slander people with no evidence to the contrary?

Sad.

a reply to: jofafot

Do you have any proof that the tens of thousands of rockets and mortar attacks launched out of Gaza into Israel over years and Hamas attacking Israel Oct 7 is a lie?

It’s good to question. But if you can’t provide credible evidence it becomes slander or liable.

a reply to: jofafot

Breaks my heart to do this research. Do your own freaking research next time if you got the guts..

Killing of Shani Louk

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Viral video
Hours later that day, a video emerged showing Louk's body,[28][29][c][d] partially clothed, with a significant head injury and blood-matted hair, being paraded in the streets of Gaza City by Hamas militants in the back of a pickup truck; they were exclaiming "Allahu Akbar", and were joined in the cheers by the people in the crowd surrounding the vehicle, some of whom spat on the body. [33][22][34][35] The video went viral,[36][37][3] becoming one of the first viral videos of the Israel–Hamas war.[36] It was released in a wave of videos of Hamas members parading hostages and bodies.[38][39][40] Photographs were also taken and circulated on the internet.[29]

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: YourFaceAgain

Says the guy who saw a few videos and thinks they know what the entire attack looked like...

So, where is your proof?

Both left- and right-leaning media have reported that Palestinian civilians participated in the attack and did more than "just cheer." It's also been widely reported that the reason some of the more vulnerable hostages, such as women, children and the injured, weren't released in the first hostage deal was because Hamas didn't have them, they were being held by Palestinian civilians.

Most notably, even Al Jazeera reported Palestinian civilians participated in the attack and took hostages

Who else is holding captives? An unspecified number of Israeli captives are being held by civilian residents in the Gaza Strip, Hamas said.

“After the Israeli army’s defence lines were broken and the army’s Gaza Division fell [on October 7], hundreds of citizens and dozens of fighters from various Palestinian factions entered the territories occupied in 1948 and captured dozens, most of them civilians,” Abu Marzouk said.

NBC Analysis reveals Israeli woman was taken hostage by Palestinian civilians

Hamas blames Palestinian civilians for kidnappings

During the same month, Hamas leader Saleh al-Arouri also blamed Palestinian civilians for committing most of the atrocities against Israelis:

"When the people in the Gaza Strip heard that the border had been breached and that the Israeli army in the area had collapsed, several young men and gunmen entered [Israel], and this caused a state of chaos.

"There were [Israeli] civilians who were captured by people who entered, as ordinary people, who captured them and brought them into the Gaza Strip."

Victims testify Palestinian civilians--including women and children--participated in looting

Several other images show children, apparently between the ages of ten and fourteen, also joining in the looting, also by taking bicycles that appear to have belonged to the kibbutz.

Schoolteacher Natalie Yohanan spoke about hiding in her family’s “safe room” while Palestinian civilians, including a woman, made food in her kitchen and stole everything they could — including “women’s items,” such as underwear and toiletries.

CNN roundtable discusses Palestinian civilians holding hostages

"Hamas doesn't have all the hostages"

Now, you've been insisting that you're not taking sides here, you're not "taking any pills." So can you admit you were wrong?

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

Now, you've been insisting that you're not taking sides here, you're not "taking any pills." So can you admit you were wrong?

I don’t that will happen. Someone thinks they are playing a subtle game.

But anyone that cares an ounce about human rights knows Hamas has to go.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: Lazy88

The thread title is "Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda"

My question is do you have proof that everything your leadership's telling you is the full truth? If you can't prove you're being told the truth, then you'll have to admit you're likely falling for propaganda.

So basically, if there's no proof either way, your narrative is more likely to be correct?

Yeah, that's not how evidence works, chief.

What narrative would that be?
That government lies?

Oh yeah, I'm way off

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain
Palestinian civilians participated in the attack and did more than "just cheer."

They cheered, applauded, assisted, participated in, approved of ...
They were happily up to their eyeballs in it.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: cherokeetroy

you didn't ask me, but I'll open my pie hole. NOBODY is telling the truth in this, or the other war going on. Ever since the MSM decided to become toe suckers of the democratic party, we lost journalistic integrity. So the news is whatever you want it to be based on where you look. MSNBC? Trump orange, Trump bad, Biden allows the pope to kiss his ring. Fox, exact opposite. CNN? almost a carbon copy of MSDNC. The best you can do is find reports, adn facts that haven't had a chance to be manipulated yet, and those are few and far between.

The only thing I think we know for sure, is HAMAS attacked Israel on October 7th, killed about 1300, and bragged about raping folks. Israel has since attacked HAMAS who is likely hiding behind civilians as that's their thing. Has been for a while now. And lots of civilians are being killed. That much is accepted fact (I think). Who's fault it is, depends on how bad you hate the Joos, or hate the A-rabs. If you aren't smart enough to know who to hate (like me) you likely just go with what you can verify and let the rest float with the turds.

You're absolutely right.

I've said it before - and I'll say it again.

Israel needs to end this and end Hamas.

Hunt them down and kill them.

Period.

And they can absolutely do it.

It will never end with Hamas otherwise and it will also give great pause to other terrorist groups or wannabe's who want to try something similar.

Israel is already getting the grief. They might as well earn the grief and help their people and everyone else in the world who isn't a terrorist.

I almost wish we'd send in the US Marines since they took Americans hostage too.

If ordered to do so, the Marines will never stop. Not ever. Until everyone is dead.

Because that is what Marines do.

a reply to: network dude

People never learn.

Once again, we are allowing corrupted leadership to steer the narrative. When they steer the narrative that means they control the narrative and flow of information from beginning to end. How much can you trust anything that's displayed before us?

Everyone's prompted to pick a side between Arabs vs. Jews.
When is anyone going to realize the real split is between the people vs. corrupted leadership. They don't want you to make that shift in perspective.

I thought Covid and election rigging would be enough to wake everyone up. Evidently, I was wrong.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

originally posted by: Mwawa

In December, Israel's military said it estimated 66% of those killed to be civilians. Even the conservative figure of 61 percent is higher than the average civilian death rate in all world conflicts "from the Second World War to the 1990s

The UN says 90 percent civilian casualty rate is the norm.

This demonstrates that Israel is being extra careful.

Are you having issues with your font size as well?

I posted the same thing, almost word for word with the same link.

It doesn’t look like either of us got a reply.

Gotta be the font size we’re using.

Anyone know how to make fonts larger so people can see our posts?

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: YourFaceAgain

Says the guy who saw a few videos and thinks they know what the entire attack looked like...

So, where is your proof?

Both left- and right-leaning media have reported that Palestinian civilians participated in the attack and did more than "just cheer." It's also been widely reported that the reason some of the more vulnerable hostages, such as women, children and the injured, weren't released in the first hostage deal was because Hamas didn't have them, they were being held by Palestinian civilians.

Most notably, even Al Jazeera reported Palestinian civilians participated in the attack and took hostages

Who else is holding captives? An unspecified number of Israeli captives are being held by civilian residents in the Gaza Strip, Hamas said.

“After the Israeli army’s defence lines were broken and the army’s Gaza Division fell [on October 7], hundreds of citizens and dozens of fighters from various Palestinian factions entered the territories occupied in 1948 and captured dozens, most of them civilians,” Abu Marzouk said.

NBC Analysis reveals Israeli woman was taken hostage by Palestinian civilians

Hamas blames Palestinian civilians for kidnappings

During the same month, Hamas leader Saleh al-Arouri also blamed Palestinian civilians for committing most of the atrocities against Israelis:

"When the people in the Gaza Strip heard that the border had been breached and that the Israeli army in the area had collapsed, several young men and gunmen entered [Israel], and this caused a state of chaos.

"There were [Israeli] civilians who were captured by people who entered, as ordinary people, who captured them and brought them into the Gaza Strip."

Victims testify Palestinian civilians--including women and children--participated in looting

Several other images show children, apparently between the ages of ten and fourteen, also joining in the looting, also by taking bicycles that appear to have belonged to the kibbutz.

Schoolteacher Natalie Yohanan spoke about hiding in her family’s “safe room” while Palestinian civilians, including a woman, made food in her kitchen and stole everything they could — including “women’s items,” such as underwear and toiletries.

CNN roundtable discusses Palestinian civilians holding hostages

"Hamas doesn't have all the hostages"

Now, you've been insisting that you're not taking sides here, you're not "taking any pills." So can you admit you were wrong?

Apologies, now that you've provided sources for your claim I realize I was wrong about civilians participation. Turns out it was not limited to cheering. Apparently civilians were also assisting hamas with holding hostages.

However if what they did was loot empty places and keep hostages after hamas did what they did I don't see how that can be considered civilians causing more "death and destruction". The blame is on hamas for taking hostages in the first place because those civilians by themselves wouldn't be able to take any hostages without the weapons hamas has. You can blame them for helping hamas, I just don't understand how they caused more death and destruction. It is like saying "my family got murdered then my home got looted by homeless people but I blame homeless people for somehow causing more death and destruction".

a reply to: jofafot



It doesn't say civilians took hostages from Hamas. It says civilians took hostages themselves. If you don't think that can be done without weapons, then obviously they had weapons.

And that was just what I could find in a couple of minutes googling, which wasn't easy considering a lot of Western media are anti-Israel and support the Palestinians and don't like to report anything that makes the Palestinians look bad.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain
a reply to: jofafot



It doesn't say civilians took hostages from Hamas. It says civilians took hostages themselves. If you don't think that can be done without weapons, then obviously they had weapons.

If they had weapons then they are not exactly a "civilian". Which civilian runs around with a weapon in hand and takes hostages? None. Even police refers to them as "armed suspect". Because in best case scenario that's what they are and in the worst case scenario they are a terrorist.

And that was just what I could find in a couple of minutes googling, which wasn't easy considering a lot of Western media are anti-Israel and support the Palestinians and don't like to report anything that makes the Palestinians look bad.

I get the distinct impression that's exactly what each of our governments wants us to think because when I do "googling" I have the exact opposite experience of yours.

originally posted by: jofafot
...if what they did was loot empty places and keep hostages after hamas did what they did I don't see how that can be considered civilians causing more "death and destruction".

The "civilians" took hostages. How were those hostages treated? Raped? Tortured? Starved? Killed? Taking hostages on Oct 7 is participating participating in the terrorist attack. They also looted and robbed the homes on Oct 7. That's participating. And of course there was all the dancing for joy in the streets and the harassing of the hostages as they were paraded through the streets of Gaza. And some of the 'civilians' took hostages and sold them to Hamas. I read about that as well ... told by some of the hostages that were released.

Like I said .. they were up to their eyeballs in participating and approving of it.