Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda

a reply to: Lazy88

You are the one who asked me what's the difference between Hamas killing Palestinians and Israel killing Palestinians.

I said there's no difference. Killing is killing. Terrorism is terrorism.

What do you think about a parliamentary democracy that does this to its own citizens?







Your answer is word salad. My question requires a simple"yes" or "no" response.

Hypothetically, if Israel would have to eradicate the entirety of Palestine in order to wipe out Hamas, would you support that?

Yes or no?

a reply to: DBCowboy
Define what you mean by "clear data" please.
Because you say there is "clear data" but I just saw a video from TRT World that is conveniently placed there to make it look like palestinians are faking everything.

originally posted by: jofafot
I don't need to prove videos can be fake.

It possible man can travel to the moon. Does Hamas have a moon base? It’s possible, is it not?

Possible doesn’t equate reality.

You’re using nothing but innuendo to pass your unfounded opinion as a fact.

originally posted by: jofafot
It is a known fact since devices capable of editing videos were invented

Which is like posting rockets so Hamas moon base.

Possible is not proof of is.

originally posted by:
a reply to: DBCowboy
Oh I am so sorry I didn't instantly believe a video that could've been from anywhere and could've been easily taken out of context for propaganda purposes.

We don’t want you to believe. We want you to create on argument actually comparing all evidence available.

But your debating with people that have personal experiences, and looked into various claims.

Like an Israeli helicopter opened fire on Israelis on Oct 7.

Like the lie an Israeli air strike hit a hospital on Oct 17 when it was a misfired Gaza militant rocket.

To Israel owning up to things like killing World Central Kitchen aid workers

Point being. Many have checked and weighed all available evidence for many aspects involving this war. And are knowledgeable about the evidence they weighed from all available sources.

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: Lazy88
Questioning legitimacy of what's shared on this forum is supposed to be what it is all about as a "conspiracy theory" site. And no, I am not going away, I'd rather talk about it where it was shared. So, are you going to provide an actual argument or are you going to keep making things personal?

Now you are in the “conspiracists” trap. You’re preaching to people that have heavy investigated all sources they can. And imply we only believe because we are told what to believe? But then you demand we believe your unfounded opinion on faith because you have failed to provide a credible argument based on demonstrable facts.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

I eat #ing bacon, Kevin.

There will ALWAYS be things I disagree with Israel about.

a reply to: Lazy88

It possible man can travel to the moon. Does Hamas have a moon base? It’s possible, is it not?

Possible doesn’t equate reality.

You’re using nothing but innuendo to pass your unfounded opinion as a fact.

Which is like posting rockets so Hamas moon base.

Possible is not proof of is.

Or maybe I am using common sense. I mean, what are the chances of hamas having a base on moon? Is THAT what you understood from what I've written so far?

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: DBCowboy
Define what you mean by "clear data" please.
Because you say there is "clear data" but I just saw a video from TRT World that is conveniently placed there to make it look like palestinians are faking everything.

Prove it's fake or shut up.

Simple.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

Gave you may answer.

If it was genocide, not Propaganda by Hamas, vs the reality Isreal targeting Hamas as best it can where Hamas cowers behind civilians. There would be no Hypothetical…


Do you have any evidence Israel is committing genocide other than Hamas propaganda, because I would not support Isreal in actual proven genocide.


I supported things like the USA dropping nuclear bombs on Japan to end Japan’s military campaign in WWII. Do you?

a reply to: DBCowboy
I am just going to copy-paste my reply from previous page:

but then again burden of proof falls upon the person who made the claim. And no, asking for proof is not a claim. It is a question. So, you either prove your claim about me, or accept the fact that you can't and you are once again trying to make things personal.

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: Lazy88

It possible man can travel to the moon. Does Hamas have a moon base? It’s possible, is it not?

Possible doesn’t equate reality.

You’re using nothing but innuendo to pass your unfounded opinion as a fact.

Which is like posting rockets so Hamas moon base.

Possible is not proof of is.

Or maybe I am using common sense. I mean, what are the chances of hamas having a base on moon? Is THAT what you understood from what I've written so far?

No. Your wanting to people that have well researched conclusions based on evidence they can cite for belief in your unfounded opinion.

Like as stated before.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: DBCowboy
Define what you mean by "clear data" please.
Because you say there is "clear data" but I just saw a video from TRT World that is conveniently placed there to make it look like palestinians are faking everything.

Prove it's fake or shut up.

Simple.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Did the Israeli government (and the US government too for that matter) push a campaign of lies, propaganda and skewed data concerning the pandemic, the virus origin and the vaccines that ultimately created long-term economic hardship and health problems including death for its citizens?

a reply to: jofafot

No.

The burden of proof land on the person denying it.

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: DBCowboy
I am just going to copy-paste my reply from previous page:

but then again burden of proof falls upon the person who made the claim. And no, asking for proof is not a claim. It is a question. So, you either prove your claim about me, or accept the fact that you can't and you are once again trying to make things personal.

Ok. And people are going to tell you all you have is an unfounded opinion.

Do you have proof. Or you making countless false claims.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: DBCowboy

Did the Israeli government (and the US government too for you that matter) push a campaign of lies, propaganda and skewed data concerning the pandemic, the virus origin and the vaccines that ultimately created long-term economic hardship and health problems including death for its citizens?

Asked you something actually on topic..

Do you have any evidence Israel is committing genocide other than Hamas propaganda, because I would not support Isreal in actual proven genocide.


I supported things like the USA dropping nuclear bombs on Japan to end Japan’s military campaign in WWII. Do you?

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: NorthOS
Is there a way to know these videos are infact coming from gaza?
Assuming this video in particular is not propaganda and it is real I don't see why majority of palestinians would be still supporting hamas.

This is where you link to a video you question.

Then start providing evidence to support yourself other than you asking people to believe your pointless opinion.

Like what was done in this thread that showed Hamas lies…

“Hundreds of Palestinians dead in Gaza hospital bombing, local authorities say”
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: DBCowboy

Did the Israeli government (and the US government too for you that matter) push a campaign of lies, propaganda and skewed data concerning the pandemic, the virus origin and the vaccines that ultimately created long-term economic hardship and health problems including death for its citizens?

Start a thread, interesting topic.

a reply to: Lazy88

you asking people to believe your pointless opinion

Quote me where I asked for people to believe my "pointless opinion".

a reply to: jofafot

Wait, Hamas has a moon base? Does Isreal still have space lasers?

a reply to: Lazy88

This is on topic. We're discussing the Israeli government and the altruistic nature of its actions are we not?

I'm not making the claim that Israel is in fact committing genocide. You skirted my question by refusing to answer directly but you and other members have already stated that yes, you would support Israel completely eradicating the Palestinian population in order to wipe out Hamas.

So, on one hand, you are adamently saying that Israel is not committing genocide. On the other hand, you're saying if they do commit genocide, you stand in support because you believe this action would be justified to end terrorism.

You and others who have this mindset will turn a blind eye to any evidence of genocide no matter what it is. Because you support it no matter what.

The argument that keeps coming up is, "If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they would have already done it." Or, "If this is genocide, it's the slowest mass killing on record."

It's a weak argument. Genocide can happen in a minute and it can happen over a period of years. There's no time limit.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Holder of the burden

When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim, especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.[1] This is also stated in Hitchens's razor, which declares that "what may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence." Carl Sagan proposed a related criterion – "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" – which is known as the Sagan standard.[2]

While certain kinds of arguments, such as logical syllogisms, require mathematical or strictly logical proofs, the standard for evidence to meet the burden of proof is usually determined by context and community standards and conventions.[3][4]

Philosophical debate can devolve into arguing about who has the burden of proof about a particular claim. This has been described as "burden tennis" or the "onus game".[5][6][7]

Shifting the burden of proof

One way in which one would attempt to shift the burden of proof is by committing a logical fallacy known as the argument from ignorance. It occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proven true.[8][9]

en.wikipedia.org...(philosophy)

a reply to: SomeStupidName

Wait, Hamas has a moon base? Does Isreal still have space lasers?

I don't know if israel ever had space lasers.