Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda

originally posted by: AllisVibration
Complete and utter BS. Mossad can get to anyone, anywhere, anytime.

Nope. Qatar and Turkey are protecting Hamas leadership. Israel can't send people into those countries to assassinate Hamas leaders. They can't get in. They can't move around. They can't arrange the assassinations. Israel can't bomb those countries either. It's impossible. And that nutbag Erdogan of Turkey already said that if any Hamas are killed in Turkey, then Turkey will go to war with Israel because they believe Hamas is the legitimate elected authority of Gaza.

You are wrong.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

originally posted by: Daughter2v2

This looks a lot like the Palestinians should stop choosing to go to war with Israel.

that is the key here. They had a choice. They chose war. Did the people of GAZA chose to go to war with Israel? Well, the people they elected did. And they all knew the war would happen in GAZA.

The obvious thinking side, would wonder, what was the goal HAMAS wanted out of their attack? To be ended by Israel? Sounds suspect. War with Israel? obviously, which will end with the end of HAMAS. There was a reason this happened, and it wasn't because Israel had the need to kill Paletinian civilians, but not all of them. Israel didn't attack Israel, HAMAS attacked Israel. That entire scenario seems to be lost on may folks here. And all this would end immidiately if HAMAS surrendered rather than waited to be killed in a few days.

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originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: Lazy88

The "elephant in the room" is we have corrupt leadership and they lie. We know this by now but that factoid is conveniently swept under the rug when there's an agenda to protect

Where do you think any truth is coming from? If you're choosing one side over another because you believe everything you're being told then you've been duped.

Any proof anyone other than Hamas is committing genocide?

a reply to: network dude

I think the easier explanation is Hamas miscalculated. They obviously knew Israel would launch a major retaliatory response. They probably just expected international pressure to blunt the response more than it has, especially with a US president that is beholden to jihadists.

It's also possible they didn't think their attack would be as successful as it was. Remember the attack wasn't just Hamas fighters. Palestinian civilians joined in and helped them cause more death and destruction than Hamas would've been able to achieve on their own. Their calculations may not have accounted for that.

Any proof anyone other than Hamas is committing genocide?

I've never made the claim that anyone is or isn't committing genocide on either side.

Any proof that your leadership is being forthcoming and transparent with you?

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain
a reply to: network dude
It's also possible they didn't think their attack would be as successful as it was.

That's probably it. I remember reading news about the festival massacre that said hamas wasn't aware there was a festival but stumbled upon it during the planned attack. Though that "news" was a long time ago so I am not even sure where I saw it.

Palestinian civilians joined in and helped them cause more death and destruction than Hamas would've been able to achieve on their own.

I saw a lot of videos they(hamas) uploaded. Civilians weren't helping them in any meaningful way during the attacks if you don't count cheering.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

Any proof anyone other than Hamas is committing genocide?

I've never made the claim that anyone is or isn't committing genocide on either side.

Then why would you post in a thread literally titled…

“Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda”

Any proof anyone other than Hamas is committing genocide.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

Any proof anyone other than Hamas is committing genocide?

I've never made the claim that anyone is or isn't committing genocide on either side.

Then why would you post in a thread literally titled…

“Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda”

Any proof anyone other than Hamas is committing genocide.

I posted a few pages back that the very honest Biden administration agrees with MAGA. There is no genocide!

You still haven't answered my question

originally posted by: jofafot

I saw a lot of videos they(hamas) uploaded. Civilians weren't helping them in any meaningful way during the attacks if you don't count cheering.

You watching some videos doesn't disprove that. And how exactly would you tell? Hamas is a militant group. They don't even have a standardized uniform and have been seen fighting in street clothes.

That's one of the things that makes it so hard to quantify just how many of the dead are civilians, by the way. Hamas has been known to falsely claim its killed fighters are civilians in past wars.

It's also why anyone genuinely concerned about civilian deaths should be mad at Hamas, not Israel.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

Any proof anyone other than Hamas is committing genocide?

I've never made the claim that anyone is or isn't committing genocide on either side.

Then why would you post in a thread literally titled…

“Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda”

Any proof anyone other than Hamas is committing genocide.

I posted a few pages back that the very honest Biden administration agrees with MAGA. There is no genocide!

You still haven't answered my question

Which has nothing to do with this thread.

The information out of Gaza is supplied both by Isreal and Hamas. And independent satellite operators.

Time and time again Hamas accuses Isreal of some war crime then screams for investigation.

Then when Isreal makes its case, supplies data, satellite imagery, and radar data.

Then when independent satellite companies provide their data, and local Palestinian videos start surfacing.

The calls to investigate seem to go silent when it shows Hamas are actually the guilty ones.

Strange how that works.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

Any proof anyone other than Hamas is committing genocide?

I've never made the claim that anyone is or isn't committing genocide on either side.

Then why would you post in a thread literally titled…

“Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda”

Any proof anyone other than Hamas is committing genocide.

I posted a few pages back that the very honest Biden administration agrees with MAGA. There is no genocide!

You still haven't answered my question

Which has nothing to do with this thread.

The information out of Gaza is supplied both by Isreal and Hamas. And independent satellite operators.

Time and time again Hamas accuses Isreal of some war crime then screams for investigation.

Then when Isreal makes its case, supplies data, satellite imagery, and radar data.

Then when independent satellite companies provide their data, and local Palestinian videos start surfacing.

The calls to investigate seem to go silent when it shows Hamas are actually the guilty ones.

Strange how that works.

The Gaza Health Ministry (Hamas) STILL haven't removed the Shifa hospital bombing deaths (the ones where Palestinians killed themselves with their own rocket) from their claimed number of how many civilians they say Israel has killed.

But the Hamas lovers who support rape and murder being used as a weapon of terror still think Hamas are trustworthy for casualty numbers.

As I said in the other thread, it really makes you wonder: Why are some of our members such fervent admirers of rapists? I can only think they admire them if they still trust them after all this.

a reply to: Lazy88

The thread title is "Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda"

My question is do you have proof that everything your leadership's telling you is the full truth? If you can't prove you're being told the truth, then you'll have to admit you're likely falling for propaganda.

I think my question aligns very well with your thread topic. And it's a question you refuse to answer.

The information out of Gaza is supplied both by Isreal and Hamas. And independent satellite operators.

Time and time again Hamas accuses Isreal of some war crime then screams for investigation.

Then when Isreal makes its case, supplies data, satellite imagery, and radar data.

Then when independent satellite companies provide their data, and local Palestinian videos start surfacing.

Do you have links for this data?

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: Lazy88

The thread title is "Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda"

My question is do you have proof that everything your leadership's telling you is the full truth? If you can't prove you're being told the truth, then you'll have to admit you're likely falling for propaganda.

So basically, if there's no proof either way, your narrative is more likely to be correct?

Yeah, that's not how evidence works, chief.

a reply to: YourFaceAgain

You watching some videos doesn't disprove that.

It may not disprove your point but it certainly is evidence against your point.

And how exactly would you tell?

I have eyes.

They don't even have a standardized uniform and have been seen fighting in street clothes.

You disagree based on assumption. I disagree based on what I saw from the videos hamas itself uploaded everywhere during october 7 and the following week.

I have a question for you based on a hypothetical scenario.
You are an idf soldier on patrol and you see two palestinian arabs in the distance, what are you going to do:
A) Immediately assume they are terrorists and fire at them from a far
B) Shout at them to stop and carefully check their id if they comply
I heavily suspect you would pick option A then blame hamas if they turn out to be civilians.

Palestinian civilians joined in and helped them cause more death and destruction than Hamas would've been able to achieve on their own.

If you think civilians somehow "helped them cause more death and destruction" that needs some clarification. How exactly they can do that when I saw the videos hamas itself uploaded and in them civilians did not even had any weapons but they were cheering from the sides? But feel free to prove me wrong, those videos ARE old so I might not be remembering every detail correctly.

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: YourFaceAgain

You watching some videos doesn't disprove that.

It may not disprove your point but it certainly is evidence against your point.

No it's not. Me looking outside right now and not seeing rain isn't proof that it's not raining anywhere else. I stopped reading there. Try the reply again please.

a reply to: YourFaceAgain
Whatever dude. If you want to bury your head in sand and only hear the sound of yourself you are free to do so. I am not going to bother convincing you there are more sounds in the world other than your own.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

you didn't ask me, but I'll open my pie hole. NOBODY is telling the truth in this, or the other war going on. Ever since the MSM decided to become toe suckers of the democratic party, we lost journalistic integrity. So the news is whatever you want it to be based on where you look. MSNBC? Trump orange, Trump bad, Biden allows the pope to kiss his ring. Fox, exact opposite. CNN? almost a carbon copy of MSDNC. The best you can do is find reports, adn facts that haven't had a chance to be manipulated yet, and those are few and far between.

The only thing I think we know for sure, is HAMAS attacked Israel on October 7th, killed about 1300, and bragged about raping folks. Israel has since attacked HAMAS who is likely hiding behind civilians as that's their thing. Has been for a while now. And lots of civilians are being killed. That much is accepted fact (I think). Who's fault it is, depends on how bad you hate the Joos, or hate the A-rabs. If you aren't smart enough to know who to hate (like me) you likely just go with what you can verify and let the rest float with the turds.

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: YourFaceAgain
Whatever dude. If you want to bury your head in sand and only hear the sound of yourself you are free to do so.

Says the guy who saw a few videos and thinks they know what the entire attack looked like...

I would call you stupid, but I don't like to compliment Hamas supporters.