Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda

originally posted by: Mwawa


In December, Israel's military said it estimated 66% of those killed to be civilians. Even the conservative figure of 61 percent is higher than the average civilian death rate in all world conflicts "from the Second World War to the 1990s

en.wikipedia.org...

66 percent of what? 100? 1000?

Again the number is high because Hamas uses human shields, embedding itself in civilian infrastructure.

If Hamas the ones bent on actual Genocide wouldn’t have committed Oct 7, or surrendered after the illegitimate attack. How many more people would be alive.


The civilian deaths are on Hamas that started this war, and commit war crimes by using human shields.

a reply to: Mwawa

So. You just legitimized Isreal as a source?

Speaking Sunday on the "Call Me Back" podcast, Netanyahu said the death toll in Gaza was around 30,000, and that Hamas fighters accounted for nearly half of that toll. He insisted to podcaster Dan Senor that Israel had "been able to keep the ratio of civilians to combatants killed... (to) a ratio of about one to one."

www.cnn.com...

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Mwawa


In December, Israel's military said it estimated 66% of those killed to be civilians. Even the conservative figure of 61 percent is higher than the average civilian death rate in all world conflicts "from the Second World War to the 1990s

en.wikipedia.org...

66 percent of what? 100? 1000?

Again the number is high because Hamas uses human shields, embedding itself in civilian infrastructure.

If Hamas the ones bent on actual Genocide wouldn’t have committed Oct 7, or surrendered after the illegitimate attack. How many more people would be alive.


The civilian deaths are on Hamas that started this war, and commit war crimes by using human shields.

They say it's 66% but it could be much higher. We are talking about the IDF (not the most reliable source)

Netanyahu has repeatedly said the military is on track to eliminate Hamas, and in an interview with Dr. Phil on Friday claimed that 14,000 Hamas fighters have so far been killed. Israel estimated Gaza to have 30,000 fighters

www.cnn.com...

If they have killed 14,000 Hamas fighters then with a 2:1 ratio of civilians to fighters the number of dead civilians is around 28,000

a reply to: Lazy88


en.wikipedia.org...

As of 8 May 2024, over 36,000 people (34,844 Palestinian[1] and 1,410 Israeli[9]) have been reported as killed in the Israel–Hamas war, including 97 journalists (92 Palestinian, 2 Israeli and 3 Lebanese)[10] and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, including 179 employees of UNRWA

Not far away from the numbers given by Netanyahou himself.

If 14,000 Hamas fighters have been killed then around 28,000 civilians have been killed according to the 2:1 ratio the IDF has given on the number of dead civilians to dead combatants. In this case there are 42,000 dead altogether.

In December, Israel's military said it estimated 66% of those killed to be civilians. Even the conservative figure of 61 percent is higher than the average civilian death rate in all world conflicts "from the Second World War to the 1990s."

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Mwawa

And if you want to get technical.

Hamas by definition people want to use has committed “genocide” years now from suicide bombing in Israel in the 1990’s, rocket launches into Israel for years in the tens of thousands, to the illegitimate attack on Israel on Oct 7 breaking a cease fire.

Where people were oddly quite about “genocide”.


Now people are pissy because Isreal is fighting the elected government of Gaza that illegally uses human shields purposely increasing risks to civilians, and is known and proven to lie.

Clown world.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Daughter2v2

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: Danvero

How many Jewish people did palatines kill in those time frames. You cannot focus on just one side when providing evidence. Also, I am sure that some of those people in those numbers were Hamas militants.

You didn't see my graph a few pages back. For every 20 Palestinians killed, only one Israeli is killed. I'm sure some were Hamas but I'm sure some were like Krusty who thinks Palestinians are cockroaches and some were like those sickos in the WestBank who stopped food trucks from delivering food to children.

wow, that's a striking chart. HAMAS sucks badly at fighting the war they started. Almost as if they really should have never invaded Israel and killed all those civilians and babies. FAFO.

originally posted by: Mwawa
In this case there are 42,000 dead altogether.

You legitimised Israel’s as a source.


Read what is posted..

Speaking Sunday on the "Call Me Back" podcast, Netanyahu said the death toll in Gaza was around 30,000, and that Hamas fighters accounted for nearly half of that toll. He insisted to podcaster Dan Senor that Israel had "been able to keep the ratio of civilians to combatants killed... (to) a ratio of about one to one."

www.cnn.com...

From your own source…

CNN cannot independently verify the ministry’s numbers. The ministry does not distinguish between casualties among fighters and civilians.

www.cnn.com...

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Mwawa
In this case there are 42,000 dead altogether.

You legitimised Israel’s as a source.


Read what is posted..

Speaking Sunday on the "Call Me Back" podcast, Netanyahu said the death toll in Gaza was around 30,000, and that Hamas fighters accounted for nearly half of that toll. He insisted to podcaster Dan Senor that Israel had "been able to keep the ratio of civilians to combatants killed... (to) a ratio of about one to one."

www.cnn.com...

From your own source…

CNN cannot independently verify the ministry’s numbers. The ministry does not distinguish between casualties among fighters and civilians.

www.cnn.com...

Netanyahou is probably trying to inflate the number of dead combatants and deflate the number of civilians. However either Netanyahou or the IDF are not telling the truth the way it is.

The IDF has given a ratio of 2:1 number of civilian deaths to the number of combatants. If were to use what Netanyahou said i.e that 14,000 combatants have died then this leaves us with 28,000 dead civilians. The 1:1 ratio is something not even the IDF believes to be true.

The UN has given the number to be around 36,000 dead and the same ratio applies although it could be higher if you recall other sources that are not coming from Israel. The UN hasn't counted those missing or those who are under the rumble.

The number above could be very realistic and could be even higher.

a reply to: Mwawa

In 2022 the UN stated

Ninety Per Cent of War-Time Casualties Are Civilians, Speakers Stress, Pressing Security Council to Fulfil Responsibility, Protect Innocent People in Conflicts

press.un.org...

So the IDF seems to be doing much better that others in the past.

The propaganda on here is pretty sad. Sounds just like the 911 war on terror propaganda. 1 million civilians and thousands of soldiers dead, 10 trillion laundered, Bill of rights destroyed and you fall for it all over again.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0
I blame it on red and blue colored pills people have been taking then getting pissed at eachother thanks to it. In my opinion they should take no pills and questioned "what am I doing" as well as "what my government is doing" from an objective point(as much as possible that is).

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a reply to: rickymouse

Do we want to live in a world where people believe in deceivers more than the honest people?

Who are the 'honest people' in this scenario? Elected leaders? Experts? News media? The same people who lied about covid, skewed data, spread propaganda covered up the truth? The same people who lie to the public about everything else...these people are suddenly going to be transparent and truthful when it comes to steering the narrative about war?

a reply to: FlyersFan

STOP ... you keep saying that. And the response is always the same .... Netanyahou can NOT go into Turkey and Qatar and assassinate the Hamas leaders.

Complete and utter BS. Mossad can get to anyone, anywhere, anytime.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: rickymouse

Do we want to live in a world where people believe in deceivers more than the honest people?

Who are the 'honest people' in this scenario? Elected leaders? Experts? News media? The same people who lied about covid, skewed data, spread propaganda covered up the truth? The same people who lie to the public about everything else...these people are suddenly going to be transparent and truthful when it comes to steering the narrative about war?

And yet the elephant in the room is Hamas lies, uses human shields.


And no proof other than Hamas by the definition presented is engaged in genocide.

If Hamas wouldn’t have broken a cease fire.

If Hamas wouldn’t have sanctioned the targeting of Jews with rape, murder, torture, and kidnapping on Oct 7.

If Hamas would have surrendered after their illegitimate attack on Oct 7.

How many more people would be alive.[/B]

But people get pissy after tens of thousands of rocket and motor attacks over years, and Oct 7 which seems to meet people’s definition of genocide, because Isreal had enough?

edit on 14-5-2024 by Lazy88 because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: Mwawa

In December, Israel's military said it estimated 66% of those killed to be civilians. Even the conservative figure of 61 percent is higher than the average civilian death rate in all world conflicts "from the Second World War to the 1990s

The UN says 90 percent civilian casualty rate is the norm.

This demonstrates that Israel is being extra careful.

originally posted by: AllisVibration

Complete and utter BS. Mossad can get to anyone, anywhere, anytime.

Ok. What would happen if any country carried out an assassination in Turkey or Qatar. How would such an assassination make things better for Israel.

And this isn’t Hollywood. This is reality with Israel already under great scrutiny trying to fight what should be a clear need to destroy Hamas.

originally posted by: Daughter2v2

This looks a lot like the Palestinians should stop choosing to go to war with Israel.

a reply to: Lazy88

The "elephant in the room" is we have corrupt leadership and they lie. We know this by now but that factoid is conveniently swept under the rug when there's an agenda to protect

Where do you think any truth is coming from? If you're choosing one side over another because you believe everything you're being told then you've been duped.

a reply to: Lazy88

JFK was assassinated in his own motercade, right in front of cheering crowds.

You just blame a patsy simple as that.