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Gaza Genocide Real or Propaganda

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posted on May, 13 2024 @ 08:44 PM
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When someone, anyone, calls Israel an occupier, then they are supporting hamas because that is hamas's position.



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: Reyven

I won’t speak for others, but it’s because I just don’t know.

Yet some posters think they are so sure that they allow it to influence their stance on this issue.

Who is more likely to be influenced by propaganda?


Quick question

Do you get the majority of your information from Faux News or any other mainstream "news source"?



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
When someone, anyone, calls Israel an occupier, then they are supporting hamas because that is hamas's position.



Are they not the occupier?
I thought Gaza is under occupation and so does the west bank by all metrics and standards. Should we not believe in our eyes?



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: cherokeetroy

Quick question, what sources do you use?

hamas?

lol



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: Reyven

originally posted by: DBCowboy
When someone, anyone, calls Israel an occupier, then they are supporting hamas because that is hamas's position.



Are they not the occupier?
I thought Gaza is under occupation and so does the west bank by all metrics and standards. Should we not believe in our eyes?


They should recognize Israel as a sovereign nation and accept a 2 state solution, instead, they want to kill all the jews.

BTW, how was finals week?



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: Danvero

www.nytimes.com...


More Than 500 U.S. Officials Sign Letter Protesting Biden’s Israel Policy
The signers, representing some 40 government agencies, reflect growing internal dissent over the administration’s support of Israel’s military campaign in Gaza.

The signatories of the State Department dissent cables must disclose their names, but those cables have not been released publicly.

Although the Biden administration has recently started voicing concern over the high numbers of Palestinian civilians killed while urging Israel to show restraint, that budding criticism does not appear to be placating many in the U.S. government.

The letter, a copy of which was reviewed by The New York Times, began by denouncing the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas, then urged Mr. Biden to stop the bloodshed caused by Israel’s retaliatory military campaign in Gaza.

“We call on President Biden to urgently demand a cease-fire; and to call for de-escalation of the current conflict by securing the immediate release of the Israeli hostages and arbitrarily detained Palestinians; the restoration of water, fuel, electricity and other basic services; and the passage of adequate humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip,” the letter states.


At that time mire than 500 US officials signed this letter to protest the decisions to blindly support Israel in killing of civilians.

Now there are many more who completely disagree with the way this went.





edit on 13-5-2024 by Reyven because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

"Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory is unlawful under international law due to its permanence and the Israeli government’s de facto annexation policies, a UN-appointed Commission of Inquiry said in its first report, published on Thursday."

People should stop supporting United Nations because its a terrorist organization that called Israel occupiers, just like Hamas.

Source:
news.un.org...



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 08:51 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Reyven

originally posted by: DBCowboy
When someone, anyone, calls Israel an occupier, then they are supporting hamas because that is hamas's position.



Are they not the occupier?
I thought Gaza is under occupation and so does the west bank by all metrics and standards. Should we not believe in our eyes?


They should recognize Israel as a sovereign nation and accept a 2 state solution, instead, they want to kill all the jews.

BTW, how was finals week?


I think more or less everyone recognises Israel as a sovereign nation. But still you don't answer if you think Israel is or isn't the occupier



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Please don't mention acceptance of 2 states solution out of respect for Natanyahu's efforts to obliterate peace negotiations.



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: Reyven
. But still you don't answer if you think Israel is or isn't the occupier


Nope.



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: Danvero
a reply to: DBCowboy

Please don't mention acceptance of 2 states solution out of respect for Natanyahu's efforts to obliterate peace negotiations.


Nice deflect palestinian.

You know the palestinians don't want a 2 state solution.

They want the genocide of all Jews and Christians



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: cherokeetroy

Wide variety.

I was quick enough to jump on sites like the Hamas and Hezbollah Telegram channels before they were, I think, shut down.

I check out the IDF official site.

UNRWA, UN, University sites.

And ya MSM. “Know your enemies”, and all that!



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I agree with you that "some" Palestinians such as Hamas don't want 2 states solution, unlike PLO whom have started with Israel "OSLO" agreement.

We also know that Natanyahu openly supports Hamas as opposition power instead of supporting PLO to break the Palestinian government unity over OSLO agreements.
edit on 13-5-2024 by Danvero because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: Danvero
a reply to: DBCowboy

I agree with you that "some" Palestinians such as Hamas don't want 2 states solution, unlike PLO whom have started with Israel "OSLO" agreement.

We also know that Natanyahu openly supports Hamas as opposition power instead of supporting PLO to break the Palestinian government unity over OSLO agreements.


Some?

Do you live in Gaza?

If not, don't equivocate to me, child!



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Danvero
a reply to: DBCowboy

I agree with you that "some" Palestinians such as Hamas don't want 2 states solution, unlike PLO whom have started with Israel "OSLO" agreement.

We also know that Natanyahu openly supports Hamas as opposition power instead of supporting PLO to break the Palestinian government unity over OSLO agreements.


Some?

Do you live in Gaza?

If not, don't equivocate to me, child!

Well, certainly not all of them. One doesn't need to live in gaza to realize that.



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: Danvero
There have been multiple attempts to negotiate a settlement between the Israelis and Pallasteniens throughout the years and more times than not it has been the Palestinians that have rejected proposed 2 state solutions.

Take your pick of headlines to examine this issue.
Google
edit on 13-5-2024 by charlest2 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: jofafot

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Danvero
a reply to: DBCowboy

I agree with you that "some" Palestinians such as Hamas don't want 2 states solution, unlike PLO whom have started with Israel "OSLO" agreement.

We also know that Natanyahu openly supports Hamas as opposition power instead of supporting PLO to break the Palestinian government unity over OSLO agreements.


Some?

Do you live in Gaza?

If not, don't equivocate to me, child!

Well, certainly not all of them. One doesn't need to live in gaza to realize that.


So what's the percentage?

Did you poll them?



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: jofafot

Yes, but “some” is different to “the majority”.

“It takes a village”



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: charlest2

The best attempt to have peace negotiations which led to an agreement was "OSLO", but it broke down for several reasons.

1) Rabin Assassination and Right-Wing Rejection such as Natanyahu & Bin Gavir
Ben-Gvir vaulted into public awareness after he was interviewed on national TV holding an emblem he had broken off of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin’s car amid protests against Rabin’s willingness to concede land to the Palestinians. “Just like we got to this emblem, we can get to Rabin,” Ben-Gvir said.

Source:
www.timesofisrael.com... -mistakes-ben-gvir-tells-high-court-hes-refined-since-entering-politics/

After Rabin (the master mind behind OSLO peace agreements in Israel) assassination, Natanyahu / Sharon came to power.

2) Natanyahu open support for Hamas and violence to break unity of Palestinian government on path to peace

3) Wide spread annexation of Palestinian lands to build Israeli settlements in west bank.


edit on 13-5-2024 by Danvero because: Adding Info



posted on May, 13 2024 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: jofafot

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Danvero
a reply to: DBCowboy

I agree with you that "some" Palestinians such as Hamas don't want 2 states solution, unlike PLO whom have started with Israel "OSLO" agreement.

We also know that Natanyahu openly supports Hamas as opposition power instead of supporting PLO to break the Palestinian government unity over OSLO agreements.


Some?

Do you live in Gaza?

If not, don't equivocate to me, child!

Well, certainly not all of them. One doesn't need to live in gaza to realize that.


So what's the percentage?

Did you poll them?

No, I didn't. Why would I need to do that to realize not all of them are against two state solution? Common sense says not everyone would disagree on it.


originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: jofafot

Yes, but “some” is different to “the majority”.

“It takes a village”

Sure

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