The biggest problem with the Hush money trial

originally posted by: matafuchs

with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof.

Except there was no campaign contribution. Nothing was spent from campaign funds. That 'link' came from a charge Cohen plead to. He stated he made an illegal campaign contribution.

Can you explain how because the Prosecution has not..

Isn’t the trial about establishing that?

Isn’t a trial to present the evidence?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: matafuchs

with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof.

Except there was no campaign contribution. Nothing was spent from campaign funds. That 'link' came from a charge Cohen plead to. He stated he made an illegal campaign contribution.

Can you explain how because the Prosecution has not..

Isn’t the trial about establishing that?

Isn’t a trial to present the evidence?

If Lyin Cohen, who is being demolished by the defense right now, is the last witness that Bragg has then when do you think they might establish that since they haven’t already?

Are they waiting to establish that with whoever the defense puts on the stand?

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: matafuchs

with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof.

Except there was no campaign contribution. Nothing was spent from campaign funds. That 'link' came from a charge Cohen plead to. He stated he made an illegal campaign contribution.

Can you explain how because the Prosecution has not..

Isn’t the trial about establishing that?

Isn’t a trial to present the evidence?

If Lyin Cohen, who is being demolished by the defense right now, is the last witness that Bragg has then when do you think they might establish that since they haven’t already?

Are they waiting to establish that with whoever the defense puts on the stand?

Cohen is not being demolished by the defense.

Honestly in debate is appropriated.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: matafuchs

with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof.

Except there was no campaign contribution. Nothing was spent from campaign funds. That 'link' came from a charge Cohen plead to. He stated he made an illegal campaign contribution.

Can you explain how because the Prosecution has not..

Isn’t the trial about establishing that?

Isn’t a trial to present the evidence?

If Lyin Cohen, who is being demolished by the defense right now, is the last witness that Bragg has then when do you think they might establish that since they haven’t already?

Are they waiting to establish that with whoever the defense puts on the stand?

Cohen is not being demolished by the defense.

Honestly in debate is appropriated.

Regardless.

Now how about the actual questions I asked?

If Lyin Cohen, who is being demolished by the defense right now, is the last witness that Bragg has then when do you think they might establish that since they haven’t already?

Are they waiting to establish that with whoever the defense puts on the stand?

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: matafuchs

COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the IRS, made false statements to a federally-insured financial institution in connection with a $500,000 home equity loan, and, in 2016, caused $280,000 in payments to be made to silence two women who otherwise planned to speak publicly about their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate, thereby intending to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Source

There ya see. Trump wasn't involved in the payoffs (extortions) 😀

How did you even get that from what I posted? There was nothing about whether Trump was involved or not.

It simply just proves that there was a crime committed, which Cohen has already been convicted of. Now it’s up to the jury to decide if Trump was involved.

no, Cohen pled guilty. Big difference.

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: matafuchs

with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof.

Except there was no campaign contribution. Nothing was spent from campaign funds. That 'link' came from a charge Cohen plead to. He stated he made an illegal campaign contribution.

Can you explain how because the Prosecution has not..

Isn’t the trial about establishing that?

Isn’t a trial to present the evidence?

If Lyin Cohen, who is being demolished by the defense right now, is the last witness that Bragg has then when do you think they might establish that since they haven’t already?

Are they waiting to establish that with whoever the defense puts on the stand?

Cohen is not being demolished by the defense.

Honestly in debate is appropriated.

Regardless.

Now how about the actual questions I asked?

If Lyin Cohen, who is being demolished by the defense right now, is the last witness that Bragg has then when do you think they might establish that since they haven’t already?

Are they waiting to establish that with whoever the defense puts on the stand?

You want me to guess what’s next?

Why would I do that?

originally posted by: Annee
Isn’t a trial to present the evidence?

And there is none.

originally posted by: Annee
Cohen is not being demolished by the defense.

He was totally destroyed. Even left wing CNN admits it.

Honestly in debate is appropriated.

Yes ... take off the biased glasses and see the situation.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: matafuchs

COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the IRS, made false statements to a federally-insured financial institution in connection with a $500,000 home equity loan, and, in 2016, caused $280,000 in payments to be made to silence two women who otherwise planned to speak publicly about their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate, thereby intending to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Source

There ya see. Trump wasn't involved in the payoffs (extortions) 😀

How did you even get that from what I posted? There was nothing about whether Trump was involved or not.

It simply just proves that there was a crime committed, which Cohen has already been convicted of. Now it’s up to the jury to decide if Trump was involved.

no, Cohen pled guilty. Big difference.

Not really.

This trial is not about Cohen.

It’s about Trump.

You don’t have a full on jury trial for no reason.

originally posted by: Annee

This trial is not about Cohen.

It’s about Trump.

The 'star witness' is on trial ... don't ever doubt that.
He's a convicted liar.
And many analysts believe he just lied on the stand again this week.
He absolutely IS on trial.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: matafuchs

COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the IRS, made false statements to a federally-insured financial institution in connection with a $500,000 home equity loan, and, in 2016, caused $280,000 in payments to be made to silence two women who otherwise planned to speak publicly about their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate, thereby intending to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Source

There ya see. Trump wasn't involved in the payoffs (extortions) 😀

How did you even get that from what I posted? There was nothing about whether Trump was involved or not.

It simply just proves that there was a crime committed, which Cohen has already been convicted of. Now it’s up to the jury to decide if Trump was involved.

no, Cohen pled guilty. Big difference.

Not really.

This trial is not about Cohen.

It’s about Trump.

You don’t have a full on jury trial for no reason.

then you can articulate the crime, and the other crime? remember there is the part where they claim Trump snuck into his accountants office and changed the ledger to read his payments were a legal expense instead of.......(something you can't answer-what it should have been classified as), and he did it to cover up his other crime. Which you also cannot describe. But I bet you are up to the challenge, since you are fact based and not operating on TDS feelz.

And the point was, Cohen didn't have a jury trial, he pled guilty on his own volition. Being a lawyer, why would he do that? It's like he doesn't know he could have fought this in court if he was innocent. But if he was guilty, and knew it, I suppose pleading guilty might have been the best option. But then, that makes him guilty and not Trump. Unless Trump forced him to cheat on his taxes and take out a HELOC on his house. If you can prove that, you might still not have a case at all....

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Annee

" Not really.

It's about illegal campaign contributions. "


Oh , and so the Evidence for that is Very Damning for Mr. Trump then ?

What is the trial for?

That's just It . What Is the Trial For ?

originally posted by: Annee
To clear up all your “know-it-all” responses — I suppose.

How did The Bragg People present THAT? 🤣🤣

[time to exit stage door left]

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: matafuchs

with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof.

Except there was no campaign contribution. Nothing was spent from campaign funds. That 'link' came from a charge Cohen plead to. He stated he made an illegal campaign contribution.

Can you explain how because the Prosecution has not..

Isn’t the trial about establishing that?

Isn’t a trial to present the evidence?

And The "Prosecutors" failed with establishing and with presenting 😊💡

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: matafuchs

with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof.

Except there was no campaign contribution. Nothing was spent from campaign funds. That 'link' came from a charge Cohen plead to. He stated he made an illegal campaign contribution.

Can you explain how because the Prosecution has not..

Isn’t the trial about establishing that?

Isn’t a trial to present the evidence?

And The "Prosecutors" failed with establishing and with presenting 😊💡

So, you know the outcome of the jury.

WOW!

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Annee

" Not really.

It's about illegal campaign contributions. "


Oh , and so the Evidence for that is Very Damning for Mr. Trump then ?

What is the trial for?

That's just It . What Is the Trial For ?

originally posted by: Annee
To clear up all your “know-it-all” responses — I suppose.

How did The Bragg People present THAT? 🤣🤣

[time to exit stage door left]

So, you know the outcome of the jury.

WOW!

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Annee

This trial is not about Cohen.

It’s about Trump.

The 'star witness' is on trial ... don't ever doubt that.
He's a convicted liar.
And many analysts believe he just lied on the stand again this week.
He absolutely IS on trial.

And many believe him.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: matafuchs

COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the IRS, made false statements to a federally-insured financial institution in connection with a $500,000 home equity loan, and, in 2016, caused $280,000 in payments to be made to silence two women who otherwise planned to speak publicly about their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate, thereby intending to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Source

There ya see. Trump wasn't involved in the payoffs (extortions) 😀

How did you even get that from what I posted? There was nothing about whether Trump was involved or not.

It simply just proves that there was a crime committed, which Cohen has already been convicted of. Now it’s up to the jury to decide if Trump was involved.

no, Cohen pled guilty. Big difference.

Not really.

This trial is not about Cohen.

It’s about Trump.

You don’t have a full on jury trial for no reason.

then you can articulate the crime, and the other crime? remember there is the part where they claim Trump snuck into his accountants office and changed the ledger to read his payments were a legal expense instead of.......(something you can't answer-what it should have been classified as), and he did it to cover up his other crime. Which you also cannot describe. But I bet you are up to the challenge, since you are fact based and not operating on TDS feelz.

And the point was, Cohen didn't have a jury trial, he pled guilty on his own volition. Being a lawyer, why would he do that? It's like he doesn't know he could have fought this in court if he was innocent. But if he was guilty, and knew it, I suppose pleading guilty might have been the best option. But then, that makes him guilty and not Trump. Unless Trump forced him to cheat on his taxes and take out a HELOC on his house. If you can prove that, you might still not have a case at all....

Am I a lawyer? A legal expert? Or on the jury?

What I know is Trump is charged and is front and center in a jury trial.

Now that is a real fact.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: matafuchs

COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the IRS, made false statements to a federally-insured financial institution in connection with a $500,000 home equity loan, and, in 2016, caused $280,000 in payments to be made to silence two women who otherwise planned to speak publicly about their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate, thereby intending to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Source

There ya see. Trump wasn't involved in the payoffs (extortions) 😀

How did you even get that from what I posted? There was nothing about whether Trump was involved or not.

It simply just proves that there was a crime committed, which Cohen has already been convicted of. Now it’s up to the jury to decide if Trump was involved.

no, Cohen pled guilty. Big difference.

So what? He was still convicted of a crime for his part in the hush money payments, which puts a big hole in your claim that there is no crime.

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: matafuchs

COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the IRS, made false statements to a federally-insured financial institution in connection with a $500,000 home equity loan, and, in 2016, caused $280,000 in payments to be made to silence two women who otherwise planned to speak publicly about their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate, thereby intending to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Source

There ya see. Trump wasn't involved in the payoffs (extortions) 😀

How did you even get that from what I posted? There was nothing about whether Trump was involved or not.

It simply just proves that there was a crime committed, which Cohen has already been convicted of. Now it’s up to the jury to decide if Trump was involved.

no, Cohen pled guilty. Big difference.

So what? He was still convicted of a crime for his part in the hush money payments, which puts a big hole in your claim that there is no crime.

Trump is on trial. And "evidence" presented by the prosecutors is weaker by 100x than evidence presented by The Defense. Very unusual and some parts of this trial may be precedent setting. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 NY Bragg should have consulted with Marcia Clark.

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: matafuchs

COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the IRS, made false statements to a federally-insured financial institution in connection with a $500,000 home equity loan, and, in 2016, caused $280,000 in payments to be made to silence two women who otherwise planned to speak publicly about their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate, thereby intending to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Source

There ya see. Trump wasn't involved in the payoffs (extortions) 😀

How did you even get that from what I posted? There was nothing about whether Trump was involved or not.

It simply just proves that there was a crime committed, which Cohen has already been convicted of. Now it’s up to the jury to decide if Trump was involved.

no, Cohen pled guilty. Big difference.

So what? He was still convicted of a crime for his part in the hush money payments, which puts a big hole in your claim that there is no crime.

NOPE!

Michael Cohen Pleads Guilty In Manhattan Federal Court To Eight Counts, Including Criminal Tax Evasion And Campaign Finance Violations

More at: www.justice.gov...

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: matafuchs

COHEN concealed more than $4 million in personal income from the IRS, made false statements to a federally-insured financial institution in connection with a $500,000 home equity loan, and, in 2016, caused $280,000 in payments to be made to silence two women who otherwise planned to speak publicly about their alleged affairs with a presidential candidate, thereby intending to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Source

There ya see. Trump wasn't involved in the payoffs (extortions) 😀

How did you even get that from what I posted? There was nothing about whether Trump was involved or not.

It simply just proves that there was a crime committed, which Cohen has already been convicted of. Now it’s up to the jury to decide if Trump was involved.

no, Cohen pled guilty. Big difference.

So what? He was still convicted of a crime for his part in the hush money payments, which puts a big hole in your claim that there is no crime.

NOPE!

Michael Cohen Pleads Guilty In Manhattan Federal Court To Eight Counts, Including Criminal Tax Evasion And Campaign Finance Violations

Hmmmmm

"And Campaign Finance Violations"