The biggest problem with the Hush money trial

Even thought Brag has not offered up a crime yet, there is one glaring problem with all of this. It's kind of obvious, but apparently, it needs to be pointed out. Here we have an insunation that Trump paid that porn star to stay quiet. I think that is accepted as true. Trump admits, it, and everyone agrees that happened. Bragg claims the reason was to sway the electoin, and somehow that's a crime. If we can accept that, then how do we make that into a crime?

Trump wrote the check out of his personal account from the White house. Now I don't claim to be a paralegal or anything, but it he paid the money to affect the election, woudln't he have had to do that before the election? So that is the large issue I see.

But is it a crime to use and NDA? no. Is it a crime to use and NDA to silence someone and compensate them? no. This is how NDA's work. So other than porking a whore who screws for a living, what is the unlerlying crime? Remember, it was paid out of a personal account, and paid well after the electoin was over. But even if it was some well planned scheme, to use an NDA to silence someone, and then Trump paid his lawyer for making that transaction happen, then categorized it as a legal expense, and somehow that's a crime, what should it have been categorized as? Paying your lawyer. What should the Gl entry have read?

Looking forward to being schooled.

a reply to: network dude

Well firstly, you’re wrong about Trump admitting too it. Him and his lawyers are still claiming it never happened. It’s just so ridiculous not to admit it at this point, but that’s Tump for you… he just lies out of instinct.

That’s the whole reason Stormy Daniels testified. She has nothing to do with the crime committed, since paying hush money obviously isn’t illegal. But because Trump is still denying it, the prosecution have to establish Trumps lying.

I mean come on! Trumps notorious for not paying employee’s, construction workers and even lawyers… but we’re all supposed to believe he paid Stormy for no reason?

Anyway, at this point we still don’t have a witness that has specifically stated Trump ordered the money to be paid and disguise it as “legal fees” so the story didn’t come out during the 2016 election, which is where the crime is… that’s where Cohen will come in.

What all these other witnesses are doing is confirming Cohens testimony when he takes the stand with the knock out blow.

a reply to: network dude

I think the biggest problem is that he used his own money, not campaign or state funds.

But congress has a slush fund for payoffs, which is state funds.

So obviously there’s a double standard on how the law is being applied. What makes it so wild is it’s personal/company money vs state.

a reply to: JadedGhost

Yeah. Cohen paid her before he told Trump. 😃

Sounds like a theft setup. 😀

Trump “repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal criminal conduct that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election.” Trump is alleged to have:

".....orchestrated a scheme with others … by identifying and purchasing negative information about him to suppress its publication and benefit [his] electoral prospects. In order to execute the unlawful scheme, the participants violated election laws and made and caused false entries in the business records of various entities in New York."

That's what the trial is about.

a reply to: Disgusted123

yes, but as the facts show, he didn't write the check until he was in the oval office. Doesn't that sort of put a damper on the crime?

a reply to: JadedGhost

He doesn't deny the NDA or paying for it. He admitted to that live on TV. But he denies he porked her. And she signed not one but two declarations stated she didn't pork him. Then she went on the stand and talked all about how she porked him. So while it's amusing, the star witnesses have a credibility issue. They are both confirmed liars. One has done time for it. In all seriouslness, if this is the best the left has, your game is weak.

a reply to: network dude

Trump's comptroller confirms that the drop-down categories used in their accounting system were "antiquated in 2017" and "rigid"...designed in 1990 and offering only two drop-down options for payments to lawyers ('Legal Expenses' and 'Retainer').

The comptroller confirmed that anytime payments were made to any attorney not about to be put on retainer, the' legal expenses' category had to always be used.

Trump's comptroller swore he never discussed the system or it's limited drop-down options with Trump.

The day’s first witness was former Trump Organization controller Jeffrey McConney, who was there under subpoena

McConney testified he had selected “legal expense” in the accounting system because he had to pick a drop-down category in the system and always selected that for payments to attorneys.

He said he rarely talked to Trump, and never discussed the company’s accounting system with Trump. That casts some doubt on whether Trump knew about how the payments were being described, which undercuts the charge that he knowingly falsified business records.

www.theguardian.com...

Trump Org. accounting system was designed in the '90s and was "antiquated" by 2017, McConney confirms

www.cnn.com...

a reply to: CarlLaFong

the biggest thing for me, is these DERPs keep harping on how it was categorized, but never offered how it should have been categorized. Was paying your lawyer a grocery expense, or should it have been listed as hush money to a whore?

You can't say it's wrong without showing what would have made it right.

I have no idea. I'm not on the jury. So, I'll wait for them to make that decision.

And I won't have a problem if he's found not guilty. But if he's found guilty, can you say the same?

I highly doubt it.

a reply to: network dude

If he used campaign funds they would be prosecuting him for misuse of campaign funds. It's a catch 22.

a reply to: network dude

Litterally nothing you said was accurate, down to the spelling of "Bragg" lol.

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: network dude

Well firstly, you’re wrong about Trump admitting too it. Him and his lawyers are still claiming it never happened. It’s just so ridiculous not to admit it at this point, but that’s Tump for you… he just lies out of instinct.

That’s the whole reason Stormy Daniels testified. She has nothing to do with the crime committed, since paying hush money obviously isn’t illegal. But because Trump is still denying it, the prosecution have to establish Trumps lying.

I mean come on! Trumps notorious for not paying employee’s, construction workers and even lawyers… but we’re all supposed to believe he paid Stormy for no reason?

Anyway, at this point we still don’t have a witness that has specifically stated Trump ordered the money to be paid and disguise it as “legal fees” so the story didn’t come out during the 2016 election, which is where the crime is… that’s where Cohen will come in.

What all these other witnesses are doing is confirming Cohens testimony when he takes the stand with the knock out blow.

Yes, Trump is sooooo notorious for not paying g employees litterally no one works for him lol. Also, no, I've not heard one witness confirm Cohens story. In fact, THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY WROTE THE CHECK SAID TRUMP DIDNT SPECIFICALLY TELL THEM TO. I mean, c'mon man.

a reply to: CarlLaFong

They reimbursed Cohen with extra to cover the taxes, which indicates Trump payed it with the full knowledge it was being disguised as legal expenses.

originally posted by: Boogerpicker

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: network dude

Well firstly, you’re wrong about Trump admitting too it. Him and his lawyers are still claiming it never happened. It’s just so ridiculous not to admit it at this point, but that’s Tump for you… he just lies out of instinct.

That’s the whole reason Stormy Daniels testified. She has nothing to do with the crime committed, since paying hush money obviously isn’t illegal. But because Trump is still denying it, the prosecution have to establish Trumps lying.

I mean come on! Trumps notorious for not paying employee’s, construction workers and even lawyers… but we’re all supposed to believe he paid Stormy for no reason?

Anyway, at this point we still don’t have a witness that has specifically stated Trump ordered the money to be paid and disguise it as “legal fees” so the story didn’t come out during the 2016 election, which is where the crime is… that’s where Cohen will come in.

What all these other witnesses are doing is confirming Cohens testimony when he takes the stand with the knock out blow.

THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY WROTE THE CHECK SAID TRUMP DIDNT SPECIFICALLY TELL THEM TO. I mean, c'mon man.

He also said the check got sent to Trump to personally sign.

originally posted by: lincolnriley
If he used campaign funds they would be prosecuting him for misuse of campaign funds. It's a catch 22.

Are you 100% positive? 😯

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: Boogerpicker

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: network dude

Well firstly, you’re wrong about Trump admitting too it. Him and his lawyers are still claiming it never happened. It’s just so ridiculous not to admit it at this point, but that’s Tump for you… he just lies out of instinct.

That’s the whole reason Stormy Daniels testified. She has nothing to do with the crime committed, since paying hush money obviously isn’t illegal. But because Trump is still denying it, the prosecution have to establish Trumps lying.

I mean come on! Trumps notorious for not paying employee’s, construction workers and even lawyers… but we’re all supposed to believe he paid Stormy for no reason?

Anyway, at this point we still don’t have a witness that has specifically stated Trump ordered the money to be paid and disguise it as “legal fees” so the story didn’t come out during the 2016 election, which is where the crime is… that’s where Cohen will come in.

What all these other witnesses are doing is confirming Cohens testimony when he takes the stand with the knock out blow.

THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY WROTE THE CHECK SAID TRUMP DIDNT SPECIFICALLY TELL THEM TO. I mean, c'mon man.

He also said the check got sent to Trump to personally sign.

I signed all the checks my business manager put in front of me to sign too...usually while I'm on the phone and multi-tasking as it has already been testified to about Trump.

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: CarlLaFong

They reimbursed Cohen with extra to cover the taxes, which indicates Trump payed it with the full knowledge it was being disguised as legal expenses.

Is there 100% rock solid verified proof of that? 😃

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: CarlLaFong

They reimbursed Cohen with extra to cover the taxes, which indicates Trump payed it with the full knowledge it was being disguised as legal expenses.

Is there 100% rock solid verified proof of that? 😃

That’s up to the jury to decide.

For the life of me I cannot understand this Stormy Daniels thing. She should have been on the stand for 1 question only "Did you take the money"? Everything else is just salacious slime throwing because all the actions/details that were supposed to have happened were consensual, she did it willingly, so that should not even be an issue.