Breaking--Hamas Accepts New Cease Fire

a reply to: Vermilion

If I was going to pick two countries that did the most harm back then it was Spain and Portugal. Hell Spain killed off the Americas, and the slave trade in South America dwarfed anything in America making it seem like an afterthought, and it kind of was.

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: xuenchen

Muslim land owners in The Ottoman Empire !! 😃 Hidee Hidee Ho

It is funny how places like the Ottoman Empire and Spain get a pass on all the damage done in the world while America gets blamed for everything.

It’s very interesting. That reminds me of something I read recently…

“I've read a lot of books about explorers making first contact in the Americas, Africa, Pacific islands, etc. Probably my favorite subject to study. You can't help but notice that cannibalism and human sacrifice was incredibly common in these cultures all across the world. It was much more the rule than the exception. And yet we are supposed to condemn the Europeans for failing to recognize these naked primal cannibals as their absolute equals. Meanwhile we excuse the cannibalism and human sacrifice in the name of "historical context." Europeans never get the benefit of that same context. We judge them -- and no one else -- through a strictly modern lens.”-Matt Walsh

Ancient European civilizations didn't practice human sacrifice rituals or take part in cannibalism?

a reply to: Xtrozero
The point is are you okay with killing innocent people because some of them gone mad? Let's say 5% of muslims just gone mad. 100 million, right? Are you ok with killing all 2 billion muslims because 100 million of them went mad? Let's say this happened and you really did kill 2 billion muslims. Are you going to tell "yeah all 2 billion of them somehow were the bad guys!". And are you going to believe this?

originally posted by: jofafot
a reply to: Xtrozero
The point is are you okay with killing innocent people because some of them gone mad? Let's say 5% of muslims just gone mad. 100 million, right? Are you ok with killing all 2 billion muslims because 100 million of them went mad? Let's say this happened and you really did kill 2 billion muslims. Are you going to tell "yeah all 2 billion of them somehow were the bad guys!". And are you going to believe this?

How did you read any of that in my post? geez

I said numbers matter and if there were 100 million radical Muslims it would be a worldwide problem without including the other 1.9 billion in the mix. It is people like you who created this stupid narrative that when we talk Muslim radicals, we mean 2 billion. When we talk about Hamas radicals, we are not talking about 2 million people, but 400,000 is a massive number any way you look at it.



It is such a stupid argument. There are 2+ million gang members in the US, and many are black.. Oh then that means all Black people are gang members? lol see how stupid it looks.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

It is such a stupid argument. There are 2+ million gang members in the US, and many are black.. Oh then that means all Black people are gang members? lol see how stupid it looks.

Ironically, that is exactly what a lot of racist leftists think. That's why they see "racism" everywhere they look. It's a projection of their own.

originally posted by: Lazy88

Maybe if the Palestinians respected Israel’s constitution for freedom of speech and religion, instead of jihad and theocracy, they could share the land. They already come from the same races.

Israel doesn’t have a constitution.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

Ironically, that is exactly what a lot of racist leftists think. That's why they see "racism" everywhere they look. It's a projection of their own.

If the goal is to remove the Hamas government from Gaza and reduce its fighting capabilities to zero, how does Israel do that? How is that possible without people dying?

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

Israel doesn’t have a constitution.

True, but if one compares them to other ME countries they are about the top when we talk freedom of speech and religion.

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

originally posted by: Lazy88

Maybe if the Palestinians respected Israel’s constitution for freedom of speech and religion, instead of jihad and theocracy, they could share the land. They already come from the same races.

Israel doesn’t have a constitution.

They kinda don't and they kinda do 😀


Basic Laws of Israel

The Basic Laws of Israel (Hebrew: חוקי היסוד‎, romanized: Ḥukey HaYesod) are fourteen quasi-constitutional laws of the State of Israel, some of which can only be changed by a supermajority vote in the Knesset (with varying requirements for different Basic Laws and sections). Many of these laws are based on the individual liberties that were outlined in the Israeli Declaration of Independence.[1] The Basic Laws deal with the formation and role of the principal institutions of the state, and with the relations between the state's authorities. They also protect the country's civil rights, although some of these rights were earlier protected at common law by the Supreme Court of Israel.[2] The Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty enjoys super-legal status, giving the Supreme Court the authority to disqualify any law contradicting it, as well as protection from Emergency Regulations.[3][4]

originally posted by: Xtrozero
True, but if one compares them to other ME countries they are about the top when we talk freedom of speech and religion.

I thought your post was about Palestinians respecting the non-existent constitution of Israel?

"Freedom of Religion" in Israel:

a reply to: Xtrozero

It is such a stupid argument. There are 2+ million gang members in the US, and many are black.. Oh then that means all Black people are gang members? lol see how stupid it looks.

But then some will turn around and argue that Palestinians raise their children to be terrorists which implies they are all terrorists. So which is it?

a reply to: YourFaceAgain

Ironically, that is exactly what a lot of racist leftists think. That's why they see "racism" everywhere they look. It's a projection of their own.

Sort of like how everyone who doesn't back Israel is a Jew hater, antisemite?

Israel bombs Rafah, prepares for ground invasion after ceasefire talks with Hamas fall apart

Published May 10, 2024 7:54am EDT

Over 100,000 Palestinians have reportedly fled Rafah as the conflict escalates to a breaking point

Israel continues a missile strike on the city of Rafah, Hamas' last stronghold in Gaza, after ceasefire talks with the terrorist regime once again fell apart.

During negotiation efforts in Cairo, Egypt, Hamas reportedly demanded an initial 12-week ceasefire, double the six-week timeframe offered by the Israeli Defense Force.

Air strikes continue on Rafah as the IDF marshals manpower and military equipment outside the city limits in preparation for a ground invasion.

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

I thought your post was about Palestinians respecting the non-existent constitution of Israel?

"Freedom of Religion" in Israel:

You missed two points in my short post, good job.

First, I agreed with you that they do not have a constitution, and second, I said they are better than just about any other ME country, so post your stupid videos and they are still better than other ME countries by a far margin.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

But then some will turn around and argue that Palestinians raise their children to be terrorists which implies they are all terrorists. So which is it?

I would say most Palestinians support Hamas, but that doesn't make them combatants. Where do the fighters come from if not homegrown?

a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm not going to argue against that because I do realize there are extremists who want to annihilate all Jews. The human, empathetic part of me doesn't want to believe every Palestinian supports this but I have no way to prove either way. And maybe you do have to fight fire with fire. The only way to fight extremism is with extremism. Because that's what I'm seeing...more on the right are taking this position i.e. "they can't wipe us out if we wipe them out, first." But where does it end? Wipe out Palestine but that's only the beginning. Next, you have to go after the terrorists and their supporters all around the world. Including here in the US. I've already seen calls for this. There are Americans who are fully on board with rounding up the opposition and doing what with them? Exile? Imprisonment.... death? First, censor/suppress speech, next comes the round up? The most disturbing aspect is seeing this attitude coming from the right. It's normal to see these tactics to drown out free speech being used on the left but when you see people on the right resorting to leftist tactics...you start to realize both sides are simply mirroring each other in extreme, polar opposite views. Anyone left in the middle is going to get squeezed.

So, go ahead and call all Palistians terrorists or terrorist supporters, encourage our governments to perform total, mass extermination. Call for more antisemetic laws to censor opposition and silence anyone who critizes foreign policy. Call for the deportation or exile for anyone who gets slapped with a "Jew hater" or "antisemite" label based on their political views.

But don't claim that this is a "moderate" approach or a reasonable viewpoint. Call it what it is. It's extremism... radicalism. Just be honest about it. Own it.

a reply to: xuenchen

Not going after the leaders is a cardinal sin... An unforgivable sin by bibi. So many needless deaths on his shoulders.

originally posted by: WeMustCare
a reply to: xuenchen

Not going after the leaders is a cardinal sin... An unforgivable sin by bibi. So many needless deaths on his shoulders.

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originally posted by: WeMustCare
Not going after the leaders is a cardinal sin... An unforgivable sin by bibi. So many needless deaths on his shoulders.

COMEON ... seriously ... you have posted that a dozen times. You keep getting told that the leaders are in Qatar and Turkey and that no one can go after them. No one can send in assassins. No one can bomb those countries. Those leaders are well protected. Turkey even said that if Israel goes after Hamas in Turkey then it's a declaration of war and Turkey will go to war over it..

You really have to get over this ... constantly criticizing Bibi for not going into those countries and hitting Hamas. HE CAN NOT DO IT.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

I'm not going to argue against that because I do realize there are extremists who want to annihilate all Jews. The human, empathetic part of me doesn't want to believe every Palestinian supports this but I have no way to prove either way. And maybe you do have to fight fire with fire. The only way to fight extremism is with extremism.

One thing to understand is that the ME is a much different place than here in the West. We try to look at them through the eyes of a westerner and it just doesn't work. We can't apply Western ideals to them and say oh you are wrong because you do not do what we would do. I don't have answers, but over there showing strength is power and respect. Jordan and even Saudi supported them and that is a big deal.

I'm not going to put a right or wrong label on it because it is what it is...

Because that's what I'm seeing...more on the right are taking this position i.e. "they can't wipe us out if we wipe them out, first." But where does it end? Wipe out Palestine but that's only the beginning. Next, you have to go after the terrorists and their supporters all around the world.

I don't think it is a right-left thing. It is do you support Israel or not thing. The Left has been much more war-hawkish than the Right in recent times. It took many decades to create the Gaza we see today, and it will take many decades to change it. A good way is to start fixing the place. I would provide desalination plants to provide everyone there fresh water and provide 24/7 power. We could seize the Hamas 11 billion and use that. Bring in fresh foods and other things they need. Start to get life back to some calm state. Outlaw weapons of any kind and start educating the young differently. Provide jobs for them in other Countries too and not just Israel. Maybe make it an advantage for companies to invest there and use the labor there just waiting.

The bottom line is you can't fight 2 million people, so you need to make their lives a little better and then repeat that.

Including here in the US. I've already seen calls for this. There are Americans who are fully on board with rounding up the opposition and doing what with them? Exile? Imprisonment.... death? First, censor/suppress speech, next comes the round up? The most disturbing aspect is seeing this attitude coming from the right. It's normal to see these tactics to drown out free speech being used on the left but when you see people on the right resorting to leftist tactics...you start to realize both sides are simply mirroring each other in extreme, polar opposite views. Anyone left in the middle is going to get squeezed.

I don't see it and I think you put more emotional effort into all this than 99% of either Left or Right. Trump would also do less than Biden, or his handlers, would.

So, go ahead and call all Palistians terrorists or terrorist supporters, encourage our governments to perform total, mass extermination. Call for more antisemetic laws to censor opposition and silence anyone who criticizes foreign policy. Call for the deportation or exile for anyone who gets slapped with a "Jew hater" or "antisemite" label based on their political views.

The first question is whether Hamas is even terrorists. They are to Israel so we can let Israel make that call. I'm against the antisemitic laws and so is a good number of Conservatives. It made it past the liberal House, but I see it dying in the Senate, so I'm not sure why you keep suggesting it's the Right doing all this. We are also seeing violent protests well past "anyone who criticizes" so you need to understand that side too.