Breaking--Hamas Accepts New Cease Fire

originally posted by: NorthOS

Not occupying, in like kind they are returning the HAMAs favour and invading.

Well, does 'blockade' sit better with you? I'd say locking up a whole population is worse than a mere occupation and should require even more oversight of the affected people. When a person gets thrown in prison, they are fed and generally taken care of.
We really don't have a precedent on this situation, however, since it involves millions of people.

If you want to call it invading, we have to go back to the very start of all this and if so...Hamas certainly didn't start the invasion since there was no Hamas in 1948.

Breaking--Hamas Accepts then breaks New Cease Fire after Lying 😀

originally posted by: FlyersFan
REMINDER those were your exact words ... that Israel, before the operation, during the evacuation, didn't provide any shelter, food, medicine.

You are correct about that. I didn't know about the tents. Not enough tents, but better than none, I guess.

My general intention was poorly expressed. I was replying to the idea being shared that somehow Israel is so magnanimous to the Palestinians, time after time, and that the Palestinians are given the utmost in consideration while being carpet bombed. Which is definitely not true, even more so at this late date than in January. Facts are indispensable but unless they reflect underlying truth, they really aren't useful...and I realize you lack a complete picture of what is really going on...despite your certainty that you have a more complete picture than anyone who might be offering any sympathy toward the civilians in Palestine (I don't refer to Hamas).

Given that, I do find it amusing that you would accuse me of antisemitism when I am sympathetic toward all the Semites involved in this fiasco...both civilian populations affected are undeserving of this tragedy. I might be anti-zionist-isreali-government but I am also anti-american-mic/cia-government as well, but I love my fellow Americans (all of them) and my country, too. It's simply that I hate bullies. And I know bullies when I see them.

Same thing is going to happen as last year;

As a week-long truce between Israel and Hamas ended Friday, with Hamas firing a barrage of rockets into Israel
Ham'ass always breaks cease-fire

These college kids didn't even know about ham'ass until told, no one even gave a rats arse until they were told to. This crap has been going on decades, and just now, they want to suddenly do something...I call bs.



As predicted.

a reply to: AliceTheSmall

I'd say locking up a whole population is worse than a mere occupation and should require even more oversight of the affected people. When a person gets thrown in prison, they are fed and generally taken care of.

I’ve posted this before. It appears that you probably need to read it because once again you’re wrong. Fact check it, I did most of it. You’re running on feelz not facts. Hamas leaders are worth billions that they’ve stolen from the Palestinians. Why don’t you direct your faux rage towards them for doing nothing to help their people instead of Israel who has no obligation to Gaza. You sock bots make us smile.

From an arab blogger: Hoda_jannat (@hodajannat) on X Translation from Arabic: Very important.. Read to the end Did you know: That before October 7: Israel was giving Gaza electricity and water for free for 20 years until October 6? Israel was allowing 30,000 men heads of household to work in Israel on a salary of $4,000 a month. Israel used to allow the entry of all children who needed complex surgeries or their expensive costs abroad, such as the removal of cancerous tumors or implantation of limbs, and treated them in Tel Aviv hospitals for free of charge at the biggest doctors, including Ismail Hanieh's daughter, who was treated in Tel Aviv 10 years ago. Even the terrorist Sinwar when he was detained in Israel's prisons. He had a cancerous tumor removed from the brain whose expenses reached a quarter of a million dollars.. He didn’t pay a dollar in it Did you know that the residents of southern Israel who were subjected to the massacre were providing the Strip daily tens of tons of vegetables and fruits for free daily from the crop in agricultural land? Did you know that the residents of southern Israel have fish farms ... Was it intended for the residents of Gaza? They donate tons of it weekly to the residents of Gaza. Did you know that the residents of southern Israel who were subjected to the Hamas massacre were the most Israelis who believed in peace and coexistence and were the most peaceful and loveful of Palestinians and never expected that what happened to happen to them? Did you know that Gaza was never besieged? Hundreds of trucks, food and fuel trucks were entered daily from Israel for free. Everything that entered Gaza was entering the Israeli markets. Did you know that the residents of Gaza were allowed to travel from the Rafah crossing and enter and exit whenever they wanted to, but even travel outside the country through Egypt's airports? Did you know that the standard of living and life in Gaza was better than the standard of life and living in many Arab countries such as Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Algeria, Sudan and Yemen? Did you know that in Gaza they were the first to buy iPhones since they came out to the market? They noticed their phones in Gaza for this day. Did you know that Israel was allowing bags with $30 million in cash per month into Gaza on the basis that it was aid to the population but controlled by Hamas leaders? Did you know that the Israeli network in Gaza is free and it is the best in the region in terms of the speed and quality of the cross? Did you know that they laughed at us... All these years by repeating the besieged Gaza cylinder? In fact, Gaza was banned from only some materials that are used in armaments and explosives, and the rest is normal like any country. Did you know that fishermen in Gaza used to fish at a depth of 200 km in the Mediterranean Sea and sometimes they entered to fish in Israeli waters without anyone holding them accountable? These are facts and many more you can check out each of them... These facts and others that many do not know about ignorance because they do not reach them and do not want them to reach you .... And others, the most malicious, know about it and ignore it for an end in their malicious souls.

Facts are indispensable but unless they reflect underlying truth, they really aren't useful...and I realize you lack a complete picture of what is really going on.

You have no idea how rich that is. 🤣

you are sooo wrong,
a bit of reading would enlighten you,
to the fact that Palestinians PAY TAX TO israel !!
. . . israel withholds the money blocking
building, updating electric, water, roads, infrastructure for the
Palestinians, all while
taking their taxes,
yet discriminating against them.
Read and Read and Educate.
______________________________

originally posted by: ToneD
taking their taxes,
yet discriminating against them.you are sooo wrong,
a bit of reading would enlighten you,
to the fact that Palestinians PAY TAX TO israel !!
. . . israel withholds the moneyblocking
building, updating electric, water, roads, infrastructure for the
Palestinians, all while discriminating against them
Read and Read and Educate.

Actually, that is not true. They pay taxes to the Hamas Government which is sitting on 11 billion living it big in another country. The Hamas Government pays Israel for power and water etc. Hamas Government told Israel to only provide 12 hours per day of power as that is all they want to pay for, the Hamas Government could build dissatisfiers for the whole population. I priced it out to well under 2 billion dollars would provide 150% to 200% of the fresh watch they would use.

There is so much more they can do too, so maybe you are the one that needs a little education. Israel was providing jobs to 10,000s of Palestinians while Jordan and Egypt proved zero and locked down their sides harder than Israel ever has done.

Once again knowledge is power.

Israel-Hamas latest: IDF controls Rafah crossing as ceasefire talks stall

OhOh now WHAT!


Biden Regime Hid Hamas Dead Hostage Proposal From Israel
😀

The Biden Administration has just shown itself to be a deviously dishonest broker in this vital matter. This is much more than diplomatic malpractice; it is actual treachery. It mocks and betrays our most faithful and intrepid ally in the entire Middle East.

Yesterday, Israel was deliberately blind-sided by the Biden Administration. It is now clear that it wants peace with Hamas at any price and is willing to put Israel in mortal peril, let alone ourselves and our allies, so that Hamas can survive, prosper and continue to torture mankind. This is an effort that has been greatly enhanced by Biden who has provided hundreds of millions of dollars by way of sanctions relief to the bloodthirsty ayatollahs in Tehran who then use those dollars to finance and export terror and Islamic supremacism throught the world. Thus, unbelieveably we are financing our own destruction and cooperating in the defeat of western civilization of which Israel has long been an embattled salient.

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

originally posted by: FlyersFan
REMINDER those were your exact words ... that Israel, before the operation, during the evacuation, didn't provide any shelter, food, medicine.

You are correct about that. I didn't know about the tents. Not enough tents, but better than none, I guess.

My general intention was poorly expressed. I was replying to the idea being shared that somehow Israel is so magnanimous to the Palestinians, time after time, and that the Palestinians are given the utmost in consideration while being carpet bombed. Which is definitely not true, even more so at this late date than in January. Facts are indispensable but unless they reflect underlying truth, they really aren't useful...and I realize you lack a complete picture of what is really going on...despite your certainty that you have a more complete picture than anyone who might be offering any sympathy toward the civilians in Palestine (I don't refer to Hamas).

Given that, I do find it amusing that you would accuse me of antisemitism when I am sympathetic toward all the Semites involved in this fiasco...both civilian populations affected are undeserving of this tragedy. I might be anti-zionist-isreali-government but I am also anti-american-mic/cia-government as well, but I love my fellow Americans (all of them) and my country, too. It's simply that I hate bullies. And I know bullies when I see them.

Too many people think all palestinians are hamas supporters. Too many people still think all germans were nazis. It seems like this bigotry is the problem rather than the actual terrorism. This black and white "logic" never worked out in the history of mankind, it only caused more wars and bloodshed. I mean, look at this, people wishing others dead from other side of the world when they can't even possibly reach each other. I wonder what kind of sociopath one needs to be to do that.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Breaking--Hamas Accepts then breaks New Cease Fire after Lying 😀

Israel says the Biden Admin Negotiated with HAMAS, but didn't tell them (Israel) what the agreement entailed.

Source: www.westernjournal.com...

The pathetic Biden Admin is deceitful with everyone on the planet. Not just with American citizens.

a reply to: jofafot

first off, welcome to ATS! Be sure not to be a douche bag, as that can get you banned and make you have to come back as a new user and look like a poster who was previously banned. It's a bad look.

Now, do you know the number or percentage of the residents of GAZA that support HAMAS? I think that's a number that is key to your statement here, and one you must know.

Also, wasnt there many more German civilians than NAZI soldiers? If so, I wonder why they didn't stop the killiing of all those Jews?

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: xuenchen
Breaking--Hamas Accepts then breaks New Cease Fire after Lying 😀

Israel says the Biden Admin Negotiated with HAMAS, but didn't tell them (Israel) what the agreement entailed.

Source: www.westernjournal.com...

The pathetic Biden Admin is deceitful with everyone on the planet. Not just with American citizens.

Breaking: Biden just paused a key weapons shipment to Israel.

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: xuenchen
Breaking--Hamas Accepts then breaks New Cease Fire after Lying 😀

Israel says the Biden Admin Negotiated with HAMAS, but didn't tell them (Israel) what the agreement entailed.

Source: www.westernjournal.com...

The pathetic Biden Admin is deceitful with everyone on the planet. Not just with American citizens.

Hamas: "This ceasefire is boring, we're going to cross the border in force, raping, murdering, and kidnapping your civilians."

Israel: "Uh, yeah, this means war."

*war begins*

Hamas: "Whoa whoa whoa, this sucks. Can we have a ceasefire?"

Israel: "Sure, give the hostages back and surrender."

Hamas: "Ehh, we don't really feel like surrendering or giving back the hostages that we've been raping."

Israel: "Uh...ok, we'll pause the fighting temporarily AND release some of your convicted murderer friends if you release some of our hostages."

Hamas: "Deal."

*deal expires, war restarts*

Hamas: "Whoa whoa whoa, this sucks. Can we have a ceasefire?"

Israel: "Sure, give the remaining hostages back and surrender."

Hamas: "Ehh, we still don't really feel like surrendering or giving back the hostages that we've been raping."

Israel: "Ok, we're still willing to do a temporary pause and release even more prisoners if you're willing to release some hostages."

Hamas: "Uhh...but that temporary pause thing doesn't really work for us, because you'll restart the war again, and the war really hasn't gone well for us."

Israel: "That's why you shouldn't have invaded our country and raped, kidnapped, and murdered our civilians. You won't get another chance to do that. The war won't end until you surrender. Now, will you give up some hostages for a pause?"

Hamas: "We're happy to announce that we've agreed with some other people to surrender the hostages in exchange for an end to the war."

Israel: "Good luck with that."

originally posted by: jofafot

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

originally posted by: FlyersFan
REMINDER those were your exact words ... that Israel, before the operation, during the evacuation, didn't provide any shelter, food, medicine.

You are correct about that. I didn't know about the tents. Not enough tents, but better than none, I guess.

My general intention was poorly expressed. I was replying to the idea being shared that somehow Israel is so magnanimous to the Palestinians, time after time, and that the Palestinians are given the utmost in consideration while being carpet bombed. Which is definitely not true, even more so at this late date than in January. Facts are indispensable but unless they reflect underlying truth, they really aren't useful...and I realize you lack a complete picture of what is really going on...despite your certainty that you have a more complete picture than anyone who might be offering any sympathy toward the civilians in Palestine (I don't refer to Hamas).

Given that, I do find it amusing that you would accuse me of antisemitism when I am sympathetic toward all the Semites involved in this fiasco...both civilian populations affected are undeserving of this tragedy. I might be anti-zionist-isreali-government but I am also anti-american-mic/cia-government as well, but I love my fellow Americans (all of them) and my country, too. It's simply that I hate bullies. And I know bullies when I see them.

Too many people think all palestinians are hamas supporters.

3 out of 4 Palestinians approved of the Oct 7 terrorist attack.

a reply to: jofafot

Too many people think all palestinians are hamas supporters.

There is no Palestine. Never was. It's not about a fictional land it's about Islam.

So yes, Palestine = terrorist.

They don't call themselves "Gazans"

originally posted by: 5thHead

There is no Palestine. Never was. It's not about a fictional land it's about Islam.

So yes, Palestine = terrorist.

They don't call themselves "Gazans"

What does it matter what they call themselves? Or what anyone else calls them?

The fact is that there were people living in that geographical location, with homes and livelihoods and families and everything else that pretty much defines living as a human on planet Earth. It may look different as far as details on the surface but we are all the same more than we are different. In just one day it all changed and their lives were taken both literally and figuratively. They were attacked violently because of where they were. They did not start this. It didn’t start in October of last year.

If they support Hamas it is because no one else ever stood up for them and if you want to call standing up to lying bullies ‘terrorism,’ that’s your prerogative. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

The fact is that there were people living in that geographical location, with homes and livelihoods and families and everything else that pretty much defines living as a human on planet Earth.

a reply to: AliceTheSmall
Should’ve thought about that before electing known terrorist to govern them and brutally murdering 1.3k innocent men, women and children. Good to know you’re a terrorist sympathizer though👍

Now what about all those war crimes committed by the Palestinians? What should be done about those?
If you can’t answer maybe one of your other sock puppet accounts can chime in.

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall


The fact is that there were people living in that geographical location, with homes and livelihoods and families and everything else that pretty much defines living as a human on planet Earth. It may look different as far as details on the surface but we are all the same more than we are different.

I don’t use my property and my city doesn’t launch tens of thousands of rockets and mortars to the next city over to kill Jews.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: jofafot

first off, welcome to ATS! Be sure not to be a douche bag, as that can get you banned and make you have to come back as a new user and look like a poster who was previously banned. It's a bad look.

Now, do you know the number or percentage of the residents of GAZA that support HAMAS? I think that's a number that is key to your statement here, and one you must know.

Also, wasnt there many more German civilians than NAZI soldiers? If so, I wonder why they didn't stop the killiing of all those Jews?

Thanks for the warning! I don't think being a douche bag gets you banned on this forum as I have seen pretty much all kinds of insults thrown around and not a single one of them has been removed so far. For example I've seen other threads where the words "bitch" and "moron" were basically thrown around every page. But thanks for the warning, even though I have never acted like a "douche bag" or did anything that warranted that warning!

I don't need to know the numbers, even if there is just one palestinian who doesn't support hamas it doesn't make your point any better because you just told that innocent he/she is a terrorist and needs to die as well, all while sitting at your home safe and sound on other side of the world, not to mention that person didn't even do anything bad. But if you are still obsessed with exact number another user seems to have already provided it and I'll quote it below.

As for your nazi question, yes, why german civilians who didn't support nazi germany didn't attack soldiers who have machine guns in their hands, not to mention support of other nazi supporting civilians? You might be living in usa where everyone owns a gun but even you with all your guns cannot do anything against your military yet you want unarmed civilians to do it? Your argument doesn't make any sense to me.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

originally posted by: jofafot

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

originally posted by: FlyersFan
REMINDER those were your exact words ... that Israel, before the operation, during the evacuation, didn't provide any shelter, food, medicine.

You are correct about that. I didn't know about the tents. Not enough tents, but better than none, I guess.

My general intention was poorly expressed. I was replying to the idea being shared that somehow Israel is so magnanimous to the Palestinians, time after time, and that the Palestinians are given the utmost in consideration while being carpet bombed. Which is definitely not true, even more so at this late date than in January. Facts are indispensable but unless they reflect underlying truth, they really aren't useful...and I realize you lack a complete picture of what is really going on...despite your certainty that you have a more complete picture than anyone who might be offering any sympathy toward the civilians in Palestine (I don't refer to Hamas).

Given that, I do find it amusing that you would accuse me of antisemitism when I am sympathetic toward all the Semites involved in this fiasco...both civilian populations affected are undeserving of this tragedy. I might be anti-zionist-isreali-government but I am also anti-american-mic/cia-government as well, but I love my fellow Americans (all of them) and my country, too. It's simply that I hate bullies. And I know bullies when I see them.

Too many people think all palestinians are hamas supporters.

3 out of 4 Palestinians approved of the Oct 7 terrorist attack.

See this? Here is your numbers. Thanks for providing info.

originally posted by: 5thHead

a reply to: jofafot

Too many people think all palestinians are hamas supporters.

There is no Palestine. Never was. It's not about a fictional land it's about Islam.

So yes, Palestine = terrorist.

They don't call themselves "Gazans"

There is no palestine? And there never was? And it is just fictional? Can you be any more wrong if you wanted to?
By the way, according to you, since that land doesn't exist, there can't be terrorists there because they wouldn't exist either. That statement of yours also implies israel is fighting against a fictional terrorist organization. You might want to think before making such absurd claims.