Breaking--Hamas Accepts New Cease Fire

a reply to: Xtrozero

It is people like you who created this stupid narrative that when we talk Muslim radicals, we mean 2 billion. When we talk about Hamas radicals, we are not talking about 2 million people, but 400,000 is a massive number any way you look at it.

Where did you pull 400.000 from?

Also nice logic you have. You say this(we aren't talking about all), try to make me look like I am the one making things up, then another person comes and literally says "yes, I said all of those things such as: all palestinians are hamas, I see no difference between palestinians and hamas" etc which you turn a blind a eye, act like you never saw them then and once again BLAME ME for "misinterpreting what they meant". I am guessing atleast you two know eachother judging by how long you are members of this forum. Great dance moves you two got. If this thread was a dance show you two would be the winners of the show.

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain

originally posted by: Xtrozero

It is such a stupid argument. There are 2+ million gang members in the US, and many are black.. Oh then that means all Black people are gang members? lol see how stupid it looks.

Ironically, that is exactly what a lot of racist leftists think. That's why they see "racism" everywhere they look. It's a projection of their own.

Some people see terrorists where I see innocents. Some people argue it is okay to kill innocents too because of terrorists. Wait, who was projecting again?

originally posted by: jofafot
Where did you pull 400.000 from?

There is a percentage of the population that are radicals and support Hamas, right? You tell me the percentage you would like to use.

Also nice logic you have. You say this(we aren't talking about all), try to make me look like I am the one making things up, then another person comes and literally says "yes, I said all of those things such as: all palestinians are hamas, I see no difference between palestinians and hamas" etc which you turn a blind a eye, act like you never saw them then and once again BLAME ME for "misinterpreting what they meant". I am guessing atleast you two know eachother judging by how long you are members of this forum. Great dance moves you two got. If this thread was a dance show you two would be the winners of the show.

The truth is that no one is killing 2 million people, and no one is suggesting killing 2 million people. Just move away from the whole genocide BS and actually have real discussions.

Whether All people there are Hamas is really not a point and doesn't make sense. All Germans were Nazis by association, but that didn't mean to kill all Germans. It meant you kill Germans fighting you until unconditional surrender. Same with Japan, the A-bombs prevented millions of deaths compared to if we did a land war there instead. The Japanese stopped fighting and so did we.

Same with Gaza, once the Hamas forces surrender it's over and then we can start the healing process without Hamas/Iran in the picture.

originally posted by: jofafot
Some people see terrorists where I see innocents. Some people argue it is okay to kill innocents too because of terrorists. Wait, who was projecting again?

Of course, innocent people are dying. No one is arguing that point. How many of the 35,000 are fighters and how many are innocent civilians, and which side kills who?

It is estimated that over 20,000 of that 35,000 were fighters and that Hamas has over 50,000. If we said 15,000 civilians have died that also doesn't mean Israel killed them all as Hamas doesn't care if civilians are in the way when they attack back, so you tell me the numbers that justify calling it all Genocide.

Hamas also doesn't want the population to leave either as it is all part of their fighting agenda. It isn't all Black and White as some people want to think it is.

a reply to: Xtrozero

There is a percentage of the population that are radicals and support Hamas, right? You tell me the percentage you would like to use.

Does that mean you pulled that number out of your back?

The truth is that no one is killing 2 million people, and no one is suggesting killing 2 million people.

The actual truth is I've literally provided you proof this claim is wrong. You have have chosen to blame it on me for "misunderstanding", HOW CONVENIENT. These posts are public. Everyone can see them. But sure, go on, act like those people and their posts doesn't exist.

All Germans were Nazis by association

You don't see the problem with associating people with each other who have nothing in common except their birth place?

but that didn't mean to kill all Germans

I am genuinely confused. If you think all germans were nazis why haven't you killed all nazis? If you think not all of them are nazis why do you constantly deny the existence of people who constantly say all palestinians are hamas?

originally posted by: jofafot

Does that mean you pulled that number out of your

No, I went door to door in Gaza and asked. It's all a guessing game even the number killed.

The number came from me saying that a percentage of the population supports Hamas. I said that the percentage due to the grooming they have been doing for decades is most likely 20% or more and could be 80%. I further said if it was 20% then that would be 400,000 in direct support one way or the other for Hamas. That is where it came from that you seem to not like and so I asked you what percentage do you think it is.

Why do you not follow a flow of posts and treat each one like it's the first?

You don't see the problem with associating people with each other who have nothing in common except their birth place?

I am genuinely confused. If you think all germans were nazis why haven't you killed all nazis? If you think not all of them are nazis why do you constantly deny the existence of people who constantly say all palestinians are hamas?

You are truly a surface-level type of thinking. Let's look a little deeper as there are many layers here.

1. They were born there... and you stop...
2. Kids are taught to hate Jews and that they are evil on a religious level.
3. They believe they will get a fast pass to heaven by either killing Jews or dying in the process.
4. The ME in general has a very low value on life
5. Mothers raised their kids to be fighters and are praised as heroes
6. Families get paid for either killing or dying in their cause
7. Hamas blames Israel for everything while they create most of the problems.

There are seven layers for you, should I continue? So how many people in the population are in direct support and basically live to support Hamas and the cause?

originally posted by: jofafot

I am genuinely confused. If you think all germans were nazis why haven't you killed all nazis?

Because they surrendered.

Duh.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: jofafot

I am genuinely confused. If you think all germans were nazis why haven't you killed all nazis?

Because they surrendered.

Duh.

Hamas pig-dogs have 4 battalions left in Rafah...they should surrender too.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: jofafot

I am genuinely confused. If you think all germans were nazis why haven't you killed all nazis?

Because they surrendered.

Duh.

Is surrendering truly satisfactory to you though? In other threads you clearly made "a comparison between the two genocidal, anti-Semitic, regimes of Nazi Germany and Hamas. ..and how both needed to completely eradicated."

The claim-- all Germans are Nazis, all Plaistenians are Hamas.

Meaning of 'eradicate': Erase. Remove all traces of. Completely destroy.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: jofafot

I am genuinely confused. If you think all germans were nazis why haven't you killed all nazis?

Because they surrendered.

Duh.

Is surrendering truly satisfactory to you though? In other threads you clearly made "a comparison between the two genocidal, anti-Semitic, regimes of Nazi Germany and Hamas. ..and how both needed to completely eradicated."

The claim-- all Germans are Nazis, all Plaistenians are Hamas.

Meaning of 'eradicate': Erase. Remove all traces of. Completely destroy.

Who in Gaza has surrendered. Has Hamas the elected government of Gaza that sanctioned the murder, rape, torture, kidnapping of civilians that to broke a cease fire on Oct 7 surrendered? Seems a cease fire with Hamas is worthless anyway.

Added. Is Hamas not in power as a government as viewed by the people of Gaza. Have they elected another group to govern?

And it’s strange. If you dig. You find Palestinians sided with Hitler and the Nazis to ethnically cleanse Jews. Palestinians still support WWII Nazi doctrine? It still seems that way.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

Nope, all they need to do is surrender, stop killing Jews and I'm cool.

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: jofafot

I am genuinely confused. If you think all germans were nazis why haven't you killed all nazis?

Because they surrendered.

Duh.

Hamas pig-dogs have 4 battalions left in Rafah...they should surrender too.

That's all they need to do.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Ok, fine.

But that wasn't the general consensus held by you and a few others, here a couple days ago.

It makes me wonder how many Jewish people worldwide and especially Jewish leaders in government, military and positions of power & influence hold views about 'total eradication' of certain populations and have these kinds of thoughts running through their minds every day.

By the logic of this argument, I would be eradicated, immediately. Not only because my political views would instantly flag me as a "Jew hater/Hamas supporter" according to some extremists, but also part of my ancestry traces back to Germany so that automatically makes me guilty by association.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

Yeah, if they don't surrender, keep killing them and blowing up their #.

If you weren't aware, that's the definition of war.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I said that the percentage due to the grooming they have been doing for decades is most likely 20% or more and could be 80%. I further said if it was 20% then that would be 400,000 in direct support one way or the other for Hamas. That is where it came from that you seem to not like and so I asked you what percentage do you think it is.

I must've missed the message in which you wrote all that. Well, doesn't matter now that you explained where you pulled that number from. If you are looking for the numbers of people who don't support hamas all you need to do is look at numbers of hamas fighters currently fighting idf. If 20% of palestinians were supporting hamas as you say, I'd expect there would be more, much more than 30.000(source below) of them.

The Israel Defense Forces said Monday that troops have killed some 12,000 of Hamas’s estimated 30,000 gunmen in the Gaza Strip since war erupted on October 7, after a Qatar-based official for the terror group claimed it had lost half that number — some 6,000 fighters — during the four-month-old conflict.

www.timesofisrael.com...
I'm not saying all hamas supporters would have weapons and fight idf. I'm not saying I'm expecting something like a million of gunmen. I am saying if hamas supporter numbers were that high that number wouldn't be as low as 30.000. If I had to make a guess, if half of all palestinians were to support hamas, there should be like ~200.000 gunmen with the rest providing indirect support like logistics, hiding place, medical help etc.

There are seven layers for you, should I continue? So how many people in the population are in direct support and basically live to support Hamas and the cause?

You mean you have more "layers" which are made up of generalization of palestinians? Eh, I'll pass, I've already seen a lot of those which are used as an excuse to kill more palestinians even if it meant killing those who have nothing to do with hamas.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm aware of a lot of f'd up things in this world which is why I call it Hell.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: DBCowboy

I'm aware of a lot of f'd up things in this world which is why I call it Hell.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: jofafot

I am genuinely confused. If you think all germans were nazis why haven't you killed all nazis?

Because they surrendered.

Duh.

Hamas pig-dogs have 4 battalions left in Rafah...they should surrender too.

That's all they need to do.

How 'bout if Hamass surrenders...but promises to kill LESS Jews?
They seem to really love killing Jews.

originally posted by: jofafot
You mean you have more "layers" which are made up of generalization of palestinians? Eh, I'll pass, I've already seen a lot of those which are used as an excuse to kill more palestinians even if it meant killing those who have nothing to do with hamas.

That is how they live and why they do what they do. 20 years ago, they could have gone in a much different direction, but they didn't.

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: jofafot

I am genuinely confused. If you think all germans were nazis why haven't you killed all nazis?

Because they surrendered.

Duh.

Hamas pig-dogs have 4 battalions left in Rafah...they should surrender too.

That's all they need to do.

How 'bout if Hamass surrenders...but promises to kill LESS Jews?
They seem to really love killing Jews.

Isn't that Biden's position?