Breaking--Hamas Accepts New Cease Fire

a reply to: firerescue

Too many younger people today are completely ignorant of anything that occurred before they were born. As if that was the beginning of History or something. Absolutely Idiocracy.

Those being told what to think, are being manipulated.

People must know how, to think for themselves.

There is W A Y too much dependency on the "Institutions" and Politicians...

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall
So you are saying that the actual text of the proposed agreement, to which I provided a link, is incorrect based on comments by IDF and Israeli officials?

That's not what the final offer from Hamas was. All the TV news and all the online news outlets are saying that the text was changed at the last minute and that the offer from Hamas was that they'd give up dead bodies and Israel would have to leave Gaza and leave Hamas in charge.

Are you familiar with hasbara?

Yeah .. that's an antisemitic garbage term useful idiots like to use when information is posted that they don't like.

As ADVISOR posted - it was a bait and switch.
Last minute change to the offer.
Al Jazeera isn't presenting the final last minute offer.

www.jpost.com...

Are you ready for the bait n switch?

On May 6, Hamas claimed to have agreed to a hostage and ceasefire deal with Israel. Hamas had been rejecting deals for months, so it came as a surprise. Israel had launched an operation in Rafah on May 6 after asking residents to evacuate eastern Rafah. Was it the pressure of the operation that led to Hamas accepting a deal? It turns out the “deal” was different than the one Israel had been privy to. Instead, according to a report at Axios, there was a kind of bait and switch where Hamas had held talks with the US, Qatar, and Egypt and agreed to a different deal that is much worse for Israel than the previous ones Israel had agreed to. Axios reported that Israeli officials felt they had been “played” by the US and the mediators in Doha and Cairo.

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall
After 10 pages of speculation and ad hominem attacks, here's a link to the actual text of the cease fire deal proposed by Qatar and Egypt.

The basic principles for an agreement between the Israeli side and the Palestinian side in Gaza on the exchange of captives and prisoners between them and the return of sustainable calm.

The framework agreement aims at: The release of all Israeli captives in the Gaza Strip, civilians or military, alive or otherwise, from all periods, in exchange for a number of prisoners held by Israel as agreed upon, and a return to a sustainable calm that leads to a permanent ceasefire and a withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip, its reconstruction and the lifting of the siege.

The agreement provides for the release of ALL remaining hostages held by Hamas, both living and deceased. It starts with everyone but military and civilian men, between the ages of 19 and 50, during the first 6 weeks, with the men being released in the second phase followed by the bodies of those who have died since October 7. It doesn't even demand a true cease fire in the beginning, just a daily 10 hour period of calm, except for hostage exchange days, which will have 12 hours of calm.

Seems like a pretty reasonable deal. It requires there are living hostages remaining, so the fact that Hamas has already agreed to it debunks the idea that there are no living hostages remaining and it also doesn't support the idea that Hamas is trying to hide what they might have done to the dead captives before they died since all bodies will eventually be returned by the end of the specified time period.

Netanyahu has already stated that the Israeli government has started planning for settlements in the Gaza strip, which is probably one of the main objections coming from the Israeli side. Having Palestinians remaining in Gaza means establishing settlements there will be a messy and laborious process as it has proven to be in the West Bank.

So this time it will be different right? Palestinians/Hamas has NEVER honored a ceasefire for much of a duration of time. They’ve always reneged and gone against their word. In other words, their words are worthless. You think Israel should continue to live next to terrorist that never honor their agreements and whom just murdered and tortured 1.3k Jews and would love to see the rest of them exterminated? From the river to the sea right?

Israel has had enough and its time to put a end to it so it never happens again, just like that famous democrat slogan “by any means necessary.”

What percentage of hostages do you think are still alive? Why haven’t they released photographic or video proof w/date that the hostages are alive? That’s what I want to see as well as a third party visit from a human rights organization to check on the welfare of said remaining hostages. I wouldn’t entertain any form of a ceasefire until they have evidence they are still alive. A exchange of dead bodies is a deal breaker.

All you terrorist sympathizers need to watch this and think, what if this was my family. I personally would’ve already turned Gaza to glass, these are bad people and it’s not just Hamas that’s participating in this war.

Screams before Silence

a reply to: AliceTheSmall

Locked gates haven't stopped anybody from blowing it up and moving through. Egypt is preventing Palestinians from entering. What's the problem??? 😬 And why hasn't other Muslim Countries offered sanctuary?????????? Hmmmmmmm

Israeli troops gain operational control of Gazan side of Rafah Crossing, IDF says

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: xuenchen

Eygpt and every other Arab country does not allow Palestinians into the country as they are a disruptive force as Jordan found out in the 1960's when armed Palestinians with forces inside Jordanian population attempted to overthrow the government prompting Jordanian army in 1970 to brutally attack the Palestinian camps inside Jordan and expel them

Known as BLACK SEPTEMBER

Ahhh So 😀 Now we know

WALLS !!!!

😀
2009 Egyptian steel wall
In December 2009, Egypt, with help from the United States, started the building of an Egypt–Gaza barrier along the Gaza border, consisting of a steel wall.

a reply to: network dude


Killing civilians and their children because they voted in a government or showed support for the "other" side is a war crime.

Otherwise, you would be free to kill civilians in any war.

And in you live in the US you better thank god that's true.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab


Israel has had enough and its time to put a end to it so it never happens again, just like that famous democrat slogan “by any means necessary.”
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I personally would’ve already turned Gaza to glass, these are bad people and it’s not just Hamas that’s participating in this war.

And here you have support of genocide.

Genocide doesn't take place by leaders saying, "hey let's kill innocent people for fun"

This above post is how all past genocides were justified by the killers.

A group of people does something very wrong...then that act is used as proof these are bad people

Then it's "any means" necessary.....murdering people including children without a trial all because they belong to a group

So next time you wonder how could the Germans have done what they did? Look at yourself, you are doing it now.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

I'm glad you posted what you did.

You admitted Israel is committing war crimes and genocide.

If arrest warrants and war crime trials happen with members of the IDF, I'll come back to this post.

originally posted by: AliceTheSmall

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
Is that why he warned the Palestinians about Rafah and told them to evacuate, providing them shelter, food and medical? That’s not looking at a group as expendable nor is it genocide to all the bozos that keep saying it is. Use your brain care bear, I didn’t really expect you to be one one of the willfully obtuse ones like some of the others here. shrugs

Provided them with shelter, food, and medical? Who told you that? That's not what happens when Israel tells the Gazans to relocate ahead of offensive operations. They don't give much warning and they certainly don't provide anything other than a map showing them where to go and how to get there. Not only do they not provide any assistance, they also don't make any effort to make sure that aid from outside sources can reach the continually displaced population.

From Reuters:
Israel's Rafah operation disrupts medical services, aid groups say

Aid groups said on Monday their medical services in Rafah have been affected by the start of Israel's operation in the southern Gaza city, with some services suspended and medical teams blocked.
Israel carried out airstrikes in Rafah on Monday and told Palestinians to evacuate parts of the city where more than a million people uprooted by the seven-month war have been crowded together, often in filthy conditions that have contributed to the spread of diarrhoea and disease.

"As more people flee and violence continues here, services like these will be forced to suspend indefinitely – cutting thousands off from lifesaving food, medicine, and other aid," said Moses Kondowe, Project HOPE's Gaza team lead based in Rafah, warning of a spike in malnutrition and illness.

This is just one violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention that goes unmentioned by the MSM and our so-called leadership.

Yes they’re providing medical field tents and aid in designated locations. No, it’s not going to be the Hilton but better than death. Google it, I’m sick of doing the homework for the people to lazy to do it because they’re to busy with their propaganda bs such as yourself.


Your posting about medical in Rafah, I never said nor did they, that they would be providing medical in Rafah but way to move the goal post. Civilians have been told to leave Rafah for a couple of weeks now, I have no sympathy for the ones to stupid to leave. If they want to dodge lawn darts more power to them, they’ve been warned.

Hamas leaders could cough up some of their billions to help their people but they don’t give a # about them. So stop blaming Israel for their woes and expecting them to take care of the civilians when their leaders aren’t lifting a finger to help their own people, they’re doing nothing.

And I don’t care about Israel’s Geneva Convention violations anymore, when none of these dead beat organizations and sympathizers will recognize and condemn Palestinians war crimes in violation of international law and the Geneva Convention. You don’t get to sit back and condemn Israel without acknowledging and condemning “ALL” of the crimes committed by the Palestinians. Since Palestinians elected hamas they’re complicit and accountable for all of this just as much as Hamas is.

What do you think about all the Palestinian war crimes? Why the crickets on the subject?

a reply to: Daughter2v2

You admitted Israel is committing war crimes and genocide

I never ever admitted israel was committing genocide because they’re not. I also never once since this war started said that Israel hasn’t committed a war crime. Like always you fail at reading comprehension. Stop twisting what I say in your head to put words in my mouth. Your verbal gymnastics have gotten ridiculous, predictable and rather boring Sydney.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
Yes they’re providing medical field tents and aid in designated locations.

A quick google of Rafah and Israel providing tents ...
Keep in mind that Israel is under no obligation to provide anything at all ...
the 'palestinians' support, applaud, and participate in Hamas terrorism.


Reuters - Israel Purchases 40,000 Tents for Rafah Evacuations

BBC - Israel Provided 40,000 Tents for Rafah Evacuations

Israel Providing 40,000 Tents to Rafah Evacuations

Daily Mail - Israel Builds Enormous Tent City for Rafah Evacuations

AIPAC - Israel Provided 18,400 Tons of Medicine/Medical Supplies to Gaza

PBS - Israel sends medicine to hostages and Gaza residents

Los Angeles Times - Israel sends medicine to hostages and Gaza Residents

NBC - Israel Sends Humanitarian Aid to Gaza

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
You admitted Israel is committing war crimes and genocide.

??? Where exactly did he supposedly say that ???

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
a reply to: KrustyKrab


You admitted Israel is committing war crimes and genocide.

I'm gonna call this statement out.
Prove this...or retract it.

If you are going to talk Geneva rights, y'all leftists better read the F'n thing first;

Unlawful combatant. (See terrorists) An unlawful combatant, illegal combatant or unprivileged combatant/belligerent is a person who directly engages in armed conflict in violation of the laws of war and therefore is claimed not to be protected by the Geneva Conventions. [1] [2] [3] The International Committee of the Red Cross points out that.

Uniformed soldiers and civilians, get Geneva rights.

Perpetrators of terror, do not.

Don't be mad at me, get mad an people who drafted it in 1940s.

It's disturbing watching everyone fall for the same psy-ops over and over again.

You fell for 911, then the plandemic, then the Oct 7th false flag. The propaganda is just too strong. There are no good guys, but the people you think are heros are going to ensure you have no rights, live in a pod, eat bugs, and use CBDCs.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
Yes they’re providing medical field tents and aid in designated locations.

A quick google of Rafah and Israel providing tents ...
Keep in mind that Israel is under no obligation to provide anything at all ...
the 'palestinians' support, applaud, and participate in Hamas terrorism.


Reuters - Israel Purchases 40,000 Tents for Rafah Evacuations

BBC - Israel Provided 40,000 Tents for Rafah Evacuations

Israel Providing 40,000 Tents to Rafah Evacuations

Daily Mail - Israel Builds Enormous Tent City for Rafah Evacuations

AIPAC - Israel Provided 18,400 Tons of Medicine/Medical Supplies to Gaza

PBS - Israel sends medicine to hostages and Gaza residents

Los Angeles Times - Israel sends medicine to hostages and Gaza Residents

NBC - Israel Sends Humanitarian Aid to Gaza

Crazy isn’t it🤪. We’d have better luck teaching String Theory to a class of 1st graders.

a reply to: CarlLaFong


His/her post.

It stated exactly what genocide is under the law.

They didn't use the word but the described the legal definition.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
live in a pod, eat bugs, and use CBDCs.

Not only that,
automatic draft
because
they are dumbed-down so much so,
they wouldn't
have the IQ to enroll into uni,
butt only to enlist into military as in
their propaganda, magaphone dept. Lol
. . . counting their 'lucky' stars Lol

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