Breaking--Hamas Accepts New Cease Fire

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
a reply to: KrustyKrab

The people who participated and directly planned the attack should have been arrested for their crimes.

There is really no punishment that would be equivalent to their acts. I'm not a death penalty advocate but if they were killed it would be understandable.

I would have also been ok with the US providing additional defense. Whether patrolling the boarder or providing funds for additional safe guards.
I would also hold anyone who knew about the acts accountable as the people directly involved.

Who is the elected government in Gaza?

a reply to: CarlLaFong

It seems Hamas agreed to a cease-fire deal that WASN'T offered...

news.sky.com...

originally posted by: xuenchen
Gaza LIVE: Israel begins military operation in Rafah
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Live of the Gaza skyline after Hamas announced its acceptance Monday of an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal. Israel said the deal did not meet its “core demands” and that it was pushing ahead with an assault on the southern Gaza town of Rafah. Still, Israel said it would continue negotiations.

edit on May-06-2024 by xuenchen because: 😬☠️

What's up with all the kites in the LIVE broadcast?

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
a reply to: KrustyKrab

The people who participated and directly planned the attack should have been arrested for their crimes.

There is really no punishment that would be equivalent to their acts. I'm not a death penalty advocate but if they were killed it would be understandable.

I would have also been ok with the US providing additional defense. Whether patrolling the boarder or providing funds for additional safe guards.
I would also hold anyone who knew about the acts accountable as the people directly involved.

That would have taken active duty military to capture those criminals assuming they were ID'd. Oh wait. 😀

When this attack first occurred, I looked at my wife and said..."I find it awfully strange that 500 fully armed terrorists on hang gliders with lawnmower engines could penetrate the most heavily guarded airspace in the region and kill everyone
in sight. We watched the vids of them flying in. To this day I find that highly unusual and have come to the conclusion
that what is portrayed in the media could be vastly different from what is really going on with this. Not saying it didn't
happen that way, but none of it makes a whole lot of sense.

originally posted by: Hasken

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: Daughter2v2

originally posted by: CarlLaFong
GO IDF!
Eliminate EVERY Hamass POS terrorist!

The sick thing about this comment is too many posters here on ATS have claimed that everyone in Palestine, including children, are POS terrorists.

It's a war crime to want to destroy a group of people based on ethnic/region/religion

What we think and feel doesn't matter. The sad reality is that BENJAMIN NETANYAHU thinks everyone in Palestine is expendable.

Is that why he warned the Palestinians about Rafah and told them to evacuate, providing them shelter, food and medical? That’s not looking at a group as expendable nor is it genocide to all the bozos that keep saying it is. Use your brain care bear, I didn’t really expect you to be one one of the willfully obtuse ones like some of the others here. shrugs

Evacuate? To go where? There is nowhere they can go as their place from the North of Gaza to the South has been bombed relentlessly over the past few months. It's called ethnic cleansing, one of the many war crimes Israel has committed, together with mass murder of innocent civilians.

Egypt is a "stone's throw" from there. Hmmmmmm 😀

originally posted by: TheSemiskepticII
a reply to: CarlLaFong

It seems Hamas agreed to a cease-fire deal that WASN'T offered...

news.sky.com...

Hamas/MSM phony BS is all that was. 🤣🤣

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: xuenchen
Gaza LIVE: Israel begins military operation in Rafah
💥

Live of the Gaza skyline after Hamas announced its acceptance Monday of an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal. Israel said the deal did not meet its “core demands” and that it was pushing ahead with an assault on the southern Gaza town of Rafah. Still, Israel said it would continue negotiations.

edit on May-06-2024 by xuenchen because: 😬☠️

What's up with all the kites in the LIVE broadcast?

Must have been a school field trip outing? 😃

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: TheSemiskepticII
a reply to: CarlLaFong

It seems Hamas agreed to a cease-fire deal that WASN'T offered...

news.sky.com...

Hamas/MSM phony BS is all that was. 🤣🤣

Ham'ass doesn't have a good track record where honoring cease fires are concerned.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: xuenchen
Gaza LIVE: Israel begins military operation in Rafah
💥

Live of the Gaza skyline after Hamas announced its acceptance Monday of an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal. Israel said the deal did not meet its “core demands” and that it was pushing ahead with an assault on the southern Gaza town of Rafah. Still, Israel said it would continue negotiations.

edit on May-06-2024 by xuenchen because: 😬☠️

What's up with all the kites in the LIVE broadcast?

Must have been a school field trip outing? 😃

I guess the school kids in Gaza need a lot more outings since Ham'ass has set up weapons dumps and military headquarters in their schools.

After 10 pages of speculation and ad hominem attacks, here's a link to the actual text of the cease fire deal proposed by Qatar and Egypt.

The basic principles for an agreement between the Israeli side and the Palestinian side in Gaza on the exchange of captives and prisoners between them and the return of sustainable calm.

The framework agreement aims at: The release of all Israeli captives in the Gaza Strip, civilians or military, alive or otherwise, from all periods, in exchange for a number of prisoners held by Israel as agreed upon, and a return to a sustainable calm that leads to a permanent ceasefire and a withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip, its reconstruction and the lifting of the siege.

The agreement provides for the release of ALL remaining hostages held by Hamas, both living and deceased. It starts with everyone but military and civilian men, between the ages of 19 and 50, during the first 6 weeks, with the men being released in the second phase followed by the bodies of those who have died since October 7. It doesn't even demand a true cease fire in the beginning, just a daily 10 hour period of calm, except for hostage exchange days, which will have 12 hours of calm.

Seems like a pretty reasonable deal. It requires there are living hostages remaining, so the fact that Hamas has already agreed to it debunks the idea that there are no living hostages remaining and it also doesn't support the idea that Hamas is trying to hide what they might have done to the dead captives before they died since all bodies will eventually be returned by the end of the specified time period.

Netanyahu has already stated that the Israeli government has started planning for settlements in the Gaza strip, which is probably one of the main objections coming from the Israeli side. Having Palestinians remaining in Gaza means establishing settlements there will be a messy and laborious process as it has proven to be in the West Bank.

a reply to: AliceTheSmall

That's from AlJazeera .. and it's incorrect.
There was no deal to release all the hostages.
Hamas said it would release DEAD BODIES.
And it said that Hamas would have to be left in charge and functioning.


NY Post

Hamas changed the language in the cease-fire deal it accepted Monday to count the bodies of dead hostages in a proposed swap for Palestinian prisoners, according to a shocking report.

The deal signed by Hamas also included an end to the war in Gaza — something the Israeli side said it would not accept.

But one of the biggest changes reportedly came in the language around the 33 Israeli hostages who were set to be released in exchange for a cease-fire.

While the original deal called for 33 living hostages, Hamas changed the wording to include 33 hostages “alive or bodies,” officials told public broadcaster KAN TV.

Israeli officials have blasted the proposal as significantly different from what Israel had initially said it would agree to.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
Is that why he warned the Palestinians about Rafah and told them to evacuate, providing them shelter, food and medical? That’s not looking at a group as expendable nor is it genocide to all the bozos that keep saying it is. Use your brain care bear, I didn’t really expect you to be one one of the willfully obtuse ones like some of the others here. shrugs

Provided them with shelter, food, and medical? Who told you that? That's not what happens when Israel tells the Gazans to relocate ahead of offensive operations. They don't give much warning and they certainly don't provide anything other than a map showing them where to go and how to get there. Not only do they not provide any assistance, they also don't make any effort to make sure that aid from outside sources can reach the continually displaced population.

From Reuters:
Israel's Rafah operation disrupts medical services, aid groups say

Aid groups said on Monday their medical services in Rafah have been affected by the start of Israel's operation in the southern Gaza city, with some services suspended and medical teams blocked.
Israel carried out airstrikes in Rafah on Monday and told Palestinians to evacuate parts of the city where more than a million people uprooted by the seven-month war have been crowded together, often in filthy conditions that have contributed to the spread of diarrhoea and disease.

"As more people flee and violence continues here, services like these will be forced to suspend indefinitely – cutting thousands off from lifesaving food, medicine, and other aid," said Moses Kondowe, Project HOPE's Gaza team lead based in Rafah, warning of a spike in malnutrition and illness.

This is just one violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention that goes unmentioned by the MSM and our so-called leadership.

Here is an article many may find interesting;

Hamas's control of Gaza should be seen through the lens of a mafia controlling Gaza. The Hamas control of Gaza has many elements of a cartel.

seven months into this war in Gaza. Hamas attacked Israel on October 7 and massacred 1,000 people and killed 250. However, Hamas did not do this in a vacuum. Hamas carried out its unprecedented attack, massacring more Jews than at any time since the Holocaust, because it believed it had cover to do this. Hamas is hosted by Qatar, a major non-NATO ally of the US.

Hamas has been hosted in Qatar since 2012, and reports say that Washington asked Doha to host Hamas. On October 7, Hamas leaders who live in Qatar gathered for a photo-op celebrating the attack. They didn’t feel they need to run and hide. They knew that they were not just safe in Doha but that being hosted by a Western ally gave them protection and cover.

Are you ready for the bait n switch?

On May 6, Hamas claimed to have agreed to a hostage and ceasefire deal with Israel. Hamas had been rejecting deals for months, so it came as a surprise. Israel had launched an operation in Rafah on May 6 after asking residents to evacuate eastern Rafah. Was it the pressure of the operation that led to Hamas accepting a deal? It turns out the “deal” was different than the one Israel had been privy to. Instead, according to a report at Axios, there was a kind of bait and switch where Hamas had held talks with the US, Qatar, and Egypt and agreed to a different deal that is much worse for Israel than the previous ones Israel had agreed to. Axios reported that Israeli officials felt they had been “played” by the US and the mediators in Doha and Cairo.

Seven months into the Gaza war, Israel continues to face challenges in its war on Hamas. This is because this is not a simple traditional war. Hamas is a terrorist group, but Hamas is also much more than that. Hamas has controlled Gaza since 2007, and before that, it operated both as a kind of mafia and a religious terrorist gang. Hamas's control of Gaza should be seen through the lens of a mafia controlling Gaza. The Hamas control of Gaza has many elements of a cartel, like how the Medellin cartel once wreaked havoc in Colombia.

Once we understand the challenges faced in defeating Hamas, both in Gaza and due to its backers in the region and its powerful backers around the world, then we can begin to free ourselves from some of the simplistic thinking that has underpinned this war. Defeating Hamas is not just about defeating its military capabilities

a reply to: AliceTheSmall

Hard to verify that story is actually true. Suspicious it would all happen so suddenly on the day Israel started evacuating Civilians in that area. Hmmmm.

AND, why is Egypt barring Palestinians from crossing into Egypt??????? I thought Egypt was such a loving Country for fellow Muslims??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: AliceTheSmall

That's from AlJazeera .. and it's incorrect.
There was no deal to release all the hostages.
Hamas said it would release DEAD BODIES.
And it said that Hamas would have to be left in charge and functioning.

So you are saying that the actual text of the proposed agreement, to which I provided a link, is incorrect based on comments by IDF and Israeli officials?

Following Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh’s announcement that a deal was accepted, Israeli officials told multiple outlets that the deal presented to the terror group was a “softened” version of what was really on the table and is not being taken seriously by Jerusalem.

The text isn't from Hamas but from the mediators, themselves. It is plainly stated at the beginning of the article.

Paper by the mediators in Egypt on May 5, 2024

Are you familiar with hasbara?

a reply to: rdambroso

First thing HAMAS did was take out observation posts along border, then breach the border fence using tractors to open holes in the fence HAMAS terrorists poured through breaches using motorcycles and pickup trucks Followed on by Palestinian "civilians" eager to loot and kill They were to attack the border villages and Kibbutz The para glider men were to fly further into Israel and establish blocking positions to prevent Israel police/IDF forces from reaching the main force attackers along the border

Most of the HAMAS forces came in by ground usinG ordinary motorcycles or pickup trucks or on fooT from GAZA

a reply to: CarlLaFong

Good question.

The kites may have cameras attached, they may be used for windage for spotters, and it can also signify the people standing United.

Kites in a war zone, may have many uses.

Or maybe the children took the saying, go fly a kite literally.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: AliceTheSmall

Hard to verify that story is actually true. Suspicious it would all happen so suddenly on the day Israel started evacuating Civilians in that area. Hmmmm.

Israel doesn't evacuate civilians. They just order them to move.
And it isn't sudden. This is daily life in Palestine for the last 7 months.

AND, why is Egypt barring Palestinians from crossing into Egypt??????? I thought Egypt was such a loving Country for fellow Muslims??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hard to cross into Egypt when the gate is locked and Israel holds the key.
Besides that, why should the Palestinians have to leave Palestine? Living in a tent in one's own home vs living in a tent in another country...hard choice, I know.

a reply to: xuenchen

Eygpt and every other Arab country does not allow Palestinians into the country as they are a disruptive force as Jordan found out in the 1960's when armed Palestinians with forces inside Jordanian population attempted to overthrow the government prompting Jordanian army in 1970 to brutally attack the Palestinian camps inside Jordan and expel them

Known as BLACK SEPTEMBER