Are the 'Abrahamic Religions' all Really the Worshipping the Same Abrahamic God?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
No. The BIble doesn't say that.

Yes, it does. The bible says He is man. The bible also says He is God. I gave some of the quotes.

Again. Jesus claimed to be God's son. Not to be God himself.

Yes. He did. And it's all through scripture that Jesus is God.
And Jesus said "before Abraham I am" using Gods name from the O.T.
The Jews threatened to stone Him because He "made Himself God.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”

John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Colossians 2:9
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

Titus 2:13
Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

John 1:3
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Colossians 2:9-10
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

John 10:33
The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”

Jesus was worshipped as God. He allowed the worship. Worship belongs to God alone. Jesus is God.

Matthew 8:2 notes a healed leper who worshipped Jesus. Later, a ruler knelt before Jesus after He had healed his Son. Matthew 9:18 states, "A ruler came in and knelt before him."

The disciples worshipped Jesus after He walked on water. Matthew 14:33 shares, "Those in the boat worshipped him, saying, 'Truly you are the Son of God.'"

A Canaanite woman worshipped Jesus. Matthew 15:25 notes, "she came and knelt before him, saying, 'Lord, help me.'" The mother of James and John also knelt in worship before Jesus. Matthew 20:20 shares, "Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came up to him with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something."

Mark 5:6 describes a man worshiping Jesus who was tormented by evil spirits. We read, "when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and fell down before him."

A healed blind man worshipped Jesus. John 9:38 states, "He said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshipped him."

Matthew 28:17 notes an occasion after the resurrection of Jesus when all of the disciples worshipped Jesus. We are told, "when they saw him they worshipped him."

Thomas worshipped Jesus when he saw Him alive again. John 20:28 teaches that Thomas responded, "My Lord and my God!"

There are many occasions when the names attributed to Jesus indicate that others believed Jesus was divine. John 1:1, 20:28, Philippians 2:5-8, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:3, and other passages refer to Jesus as Lord, revering Him in worship.

God the Father Commanded the Angels to worship Jesus. Worship belongs to God alone

Hebrews 1:6 (KJV): And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

The son and the father are not the same

"I and the Father are one." John 10:30
Jesus is separate, yet He is one with God and is God.

a reply to: FlyersFan

That means his temptation, suffering, death and resurrection have INFINITE merit.

I'm sorry, but no. A GOD, who cannot die, offers his own temporary/fake death unto his angry and judgmental self, to himself to offset the punishment he has in mind for mankind, his creation, is a meaningless sacrifice. His suffering is meaningless too because at any time, he could have stopped his suffering, his hunger. His supposed curiosity of our pain, suffering and certain death belies his omniscience.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I gave some of the quotes.

None of your quotes define the Biblical God as a triad, of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And Jesus never claimed to be his father.

Luke 18:19
So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.

John 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
A GOD, who cannot die, offers his own temporary/fake death

A God Who became man can die, and did. Nothing fake about it.

His suffering is meaningless too because at any time, he could have stopped his suffering, his hunger.

His suffering had full merit because He could have stopped it but went through with it out of love for mankind.

His supposed curiosity of our pain, suffering and certain death belies his omniscience.

He didn't die because He was 'curious' ... he died because he was saving mankind from their sins.

You read scripture but have no understanding of it.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
None of your quotes define the Biblical God as a triad, of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

They all do. They clearly show a Father God, a Son God, and a Holy Spirit God.

And Jesus never claim to be his father.

I never said He did. He said "I and the Father are one".
They are separate yet they are one God.
Like I said .. a three leaf clover ... three separate leaves, yet of one substance and one root plant.

a reply to: FlyersFan

A God Who became man can die, and did. Nothing fake about it.

Jesus said that he was sent by God. Not that he WAS God. And no. GOD, the creator of the Universe, taking a vacay on Earth, wearing human skin and allowing himself to be murdered by his own creation, so that he could experience temporary betrayal, suffering, hunger, pain and death, all of which are products of HIS creation, is meaningless.

No, an ordinary man, being singled out and shown, and being imbued with the power of this GOD, in the face of human and spiritual betrayal, suffering, pain, hunger and murder and death, only to be made whole and elevated again to their place at God's side, as a symbol of what the end of a holy life holds, is a better and more respectable metaphor.

a reply to: FlyersFan

They clearly show a Father God, a Son God, and a Holy Spirit God.

Nope. It's just not in there. Just like Limbo and Purgatory, the Trinity is a religious construct that isn't found within the pages of the Bible.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Jesus said that he was sent by God.

Sure. By God the Father.

Not that he WAS God.

Already showed that He did indeed say He was God, and He accepted worship, and those around him called him God, and those who wrote scripture called him God. Even God the Father commanded the angels to worship Jesus as God the Son. God the Father wouldn't have commanded anyone to worship Jesus if He wasn't God. (I already gave the scripture quote for that)

And no. GOD, the creator of the Universe, taking a vacay on Earth, wearing human skin and allowing himself to be murdered by his own creation, so that he could experience temporary betrayal, suffering, hunger, pain and death, all of which are products of HIS creation, is meaningless.

Jesus didn't take a vacation. He came on a mission.
Again .. you read scripture but are clueless about what you are reading.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Nope. It's just not in there.

Yep. It's clearly there. I gave some of the scripture showing it.
You read scripture, yet see nothing.
(like you do with abortion, the dead babies are there yet you refuse to see them)
Scripture clearly shows God the Father.
Scripture clearly shows God the Son.
Scripture clearly shows God the Holy Spirit.

I suggest that you stop relying on yourself when you read scripture.
You aren't doing a good job of it.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Already showed that He did indeed say He was God

No, you didn't. You threw a bunch of scripture at the wall and hoped something would stick. But, nothing does.

Jesus didn't take a vacation. He came on a mission.

Right....A mission. To save us from himself? By tempting himself? By pretending to die as a blood sacrifice to himself? If GOD did all this to himself to save us from himself, it's meaningless to us humans.

If however, Jesus is the Son of Man, The Christ, who left God's side, the source we are all one with, to come to earth to remind us of our place, at God's side, because we have become like "them," knowing good from evil, and to show us that our suffering for Chrit's sake doesn't go unnoticed by the "Father of Man" and has a divine purpose, then the saga is not a display of self-adulation, but of hope.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
No, you didn't.

YES
I
DID

You threw a bunch of scripture at the wall and hoped something would stick.

Wrong. I posted relevant scripture that addressed the topic.
You'd know that if you actually read it and tried to understand it.
Scripture that shows the 2 billion Christians have the correct understanding of it
and that you do not.

But, nothing does.

It doesn't stick because you are willfully blind.
It's very clear.

Right....A mission. To save us from himself? By tempting himself? By pretending to die as a blood sacrifice to himself? If GOD did all this to himself to save us from himself, it's meaningless to us humans.

Again .. you read scripture but are clueless.
That's not even close to what it says.

If however, Jesus is the Son of Man, The Christ, who left God's side, the source we are all one with, to come to earth to remind us of our place, at God's side, because we have become like "them," knowing good from evil, and to show us that our suffering for Chrit's sake doesn't go unnoticed by the "Father of Man" and has a divine purpose, then the saga is not a display of self-adulation, but of hope.

Congratulations ... you totally don't get it at all.
Happy in the comfortable zone you have invented for yourself.
I spoon fed the scripture facts to you, yet you vomit it back up.
Enjoy the self imposed blindness.

a reply to: FlyersFan

That exact language isn't in there. The language that there is a father-God, a son-God, and a Holy Spirit-God is. I already gave some of those examples. It's easily googled. 2,000 years of Christian theology agrees ... A Trinity God .. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit ... it's in scripture.

Exactly It's not even deniable. but in simple terms one might think of an egg.
There's a shell, a yoke and the white. Separately they are still very much
a part of the egg. Anyways you can even point all this out in the JWs own
version of the Bible. And then watch them turn to lame excuses like lords
in earhly kingships or some funny crap.

Colossians 2: 8-10

" Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:"

It's more than clear if one just reads the scripture word for word and
stays true to every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God.

Look at these two scriptures

Romans 14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

And

Philippians 2:10-11 King James Version (KJV)
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Only cults deny this.

originally posted by: Astrocometus
Exactly It's not even deniable. but in simple terms one my think of an egg.
There's a shell, a yoke and the white. Separately they are still very much
a part of the egg.

That's pretty good.
I always use the three leaf clover.
Three individual leaves, yet all one plant and one root.
Same/same

If someone doesn't want to believe that Jesus is God .. that's fine. Their choice.
But to say that its not in the bible ... that's just retarded.
I gave some of the quotes.
Don't believe it if you don't want to ... but don't try to claim it's not there.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Wrong. I posted relevant scripture that addressed the topic.

You never posted scripture that confirmed "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit", that you claimed was in the Bible. You never posted a quote from Jesus claiming to be GOD in the flesh. He claimed to be "The Son of God" and "One with God", but never that he WAS God.

In fact, I cited scripture in which Jesus definitely states that he is distinctly NOT God.

Congratulations ... you totally don't get it at all.

I think you're deeply confused, because your programming is being challenged.

If Jesus is GOD, one in the same, then his suffering and his sacrifice is meaningless to us humans. It's merely a display of self-adulation from a false GOD, basking in the lie that HE unselfishly saved us from himself.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

You're splitting hairs and moving goal posts but it is
entertaining. I'll let Flyer continue.

I'm out

a reply to: Astrocometus

Exactly It's not even deniable. but in simple terms one might think of an egg.
There's a shell, a yoke and the white. Separately they are still very much
a part of the egg.

Why didn't Jesus just say that!? There's God the Yoke, God the Albumen and God the Shell! Can't wait for HIM to meet God the Spaghetti Monster for a delightfully Holy Carbonara!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
You never posted scripture that confirmed "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit", that you claimed was in the Bible.

YES I DID. Separate quotes for each one. You rejected it all saying I was just throwing scripture up to see what stuck. I suggest you actually read what was posted.

You never posted a quote from Jesus claiming to be GOD in the flesh.

I posted quotes that Jesus claimed the title of God from the O.T. "Before Abraham I Am", and that Jesus received worship from people and HE ACCEPTED IT, and I posted quotes showing that God the Father Himself demanded that the angels worship Jesus, which God the Father wouldn't have done if Jesus was less than a God, and I posted scripture showing that the apostles and those who wrote the scripture called Jesus GOD and they would have learned that He is God FROM JESUS.

You would know that if you actually read what I posted but instead you just falsely claimed that I was" throwing scripture up to see what stuck." You are being willfully ignorant.

If Jesus is GOD, one in the same, then his suffering and his sacrifice is meaningless to us humans. It's merely a display of self-adulation from a false GOD, basking in the lie that HE unselfishly saved us from himself.

WOW ... you really don't get it. That's twisted.
No wonder you are a pro-abortion warrior .. you can't see what is right in front of you.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Why didn't Jesus just say that!?

He did. And so did his apostles. And so did those who wrote scripture.
I've already posted some of the quotes. I'm not doing it again.
You won't read it anyways. Willfully blind. Good luck with that.

You don't want to believe Jesus is God? Fine. That's your choice.
But to try to claim the bible doesn't say that He is? That's retarded.
It's clearly there for God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

I'm done with you on this topic.
I'm tired of repeating myself.

a reply to: FlyersFan

But to try to claim the bible doesn't say that He is? That's retarded.

LOL Well, that's an ignorant response.

It's clearly there for God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Clear as mud!

Roll in the mud with pigs .. ya' get dirty.

I'll say! LOL And then the excuses for all that dirt start rolling out!

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Colossians 2:9
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

Go to a bible study and learn what that means.
You read yet don't understand any of it.