Are the 'Abrahamic Religions' all Really the Worshipping the Same Abrahamic God?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: YourFaceAgain
Refusing to believe established historical and theological facts is just silly.

I said I"m trying to see it. I really am. I'm reading everything everyone is saying online.
I get that they all claim to worship the God of Abraham ...
I just can't see Jesus being Allah ... and I don't think a lot of Christians and Muslims can either.

PS - Your quotes about the OT/NT God deceiving was good. Helpful.

I'm a Catholic. Former altar boy too. I'm pretty sure I'm a failed Catholic these days, but anyway...

I was always taught and I believe that Jesus was the son of God. Not God per se, but God's son made flesh.

But then there is the whole "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit" thing going on too.

But when I pray, I pray to them as distinct individuals - God & Jesus.

The Holy Spirit doesn't get too many prayers overall anyway...he's in the cheap seats when it comes to prayer I guess.

He probably needs a better agent...[silly grin]

originally posted by: Scratchpost
I say it again,
Exodus 20:3: “You shall have no other gods before Me.”

That is saying ther are More Gods.

And that If you worship the god in the bible,
that you Can have other Gods.
just that He has to be first.

Gods Need people to worship them.
I guess that means Gods get power form worshipers!
they are parasites or symbiotes.

Completely wrong!
The only admission God is making here is that men are making up
their own gods in rebellion against the only God there is thru idols
and demons. And why shouldn't he be jealous when the people he
brought out of Egypt keep backsliding to worship false gods. Learn to
read your Bible man. Don't worship idols when I desreve your love
and worship for putting the air you breath in your lungs.

Exodus 20:3-6 KJV
Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

There are no other gods only imposters.

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat
I was always taught and I believe that Jesus was the son of God. Not God per se, but God's son made flesh.

It's a firm belief in the Catholic church that Jesus is God.
"GOD" in the Catholic church is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
Sorry but whoever gave you your 'Catholic education' fell down on the job.

John 1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Catholic belief is that Jesus is God, always has been. There never was a time
that Jesus didn't exist as God.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: RAY1990
Not sure what you are saying. I'm not getting it ... sorry.

All I know is that if you tell a Muslim that Jesus is Allah and that the Jews tortured and killed Allah and that he rose from the dead ...you'll get the snot beat out of you. Probably the same thing if you told a congregation of Southern Baptists that Jesus is Allah and that Jesus wrote the Qu'ran and talked to Muhammad.

It doesn't look like the same God to me ... I"m trying to see it .. but I'm not.

"but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness" I Cor 1:23
Jesus is the obstacle to faiths joining as one, and that's a good thing. whoever acknowledges Jesus as Lord is acceptable; any person or doctrine that denies Jesus is Lord is in error.

in Matt 10:34 Jesus talks about his bringing a sword, not peace, to earth. I don't think He was happy about that, He was being honest about the impact He was having. thus do we see people divided over Jesus; but this is a separation of good guys from bad.

a reply to: FlyersFan

If Jesus is GOD, then his temptation, his suffering, his death and his resurrection are meaningless.

Can you understand that?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

If Jesus is GOD, then his temptation, his suffering, his death and his resurrection are meaningless.

Can you understand that?

How do you understand it? lol

Personally, I believe all deity worship essentially points to the same One.

Much the same, all languages have the same root, however hard to believe.

The breakdown of the tower of Babel has lasting effects to this very day.


From One to many, from many back to One, this is our Story.

But my advice my friend is to take your time and dance about.

What is the point of rushing to the end, or back to the start really?


Anyway, do as you will; that is the only true law to abide by.

But again, beware, for each action bears consequences.

Good Luck, and Fare Well.

^_^

a reply to: Hecate666

Nature is the basis of all. I wouldn't call it a god. It has no mind.

Nature has no mind? I don’t think so, natural law is mind. The rest of what you said I agree with.

originally posted by: Astrocometus
a reply to: Sookiechacha

If Jesus is GOD, then his temptation, his suffering, his death and his resurrection are meaningless.

Can you understand that?

How do you understand it? lol

How can a GOD sincerely lose faith in itself or believe it forsook itself?

a reply to: FlyersFan

It's a firm belief in the Catholic church that Jesus is God. "GOD" in the Catholic church is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Sorry but whoever gave you your 'Catholic education' fell down on the job.

There’s truth in religion but you have know how to interpret it. Taking it all of it literally is the wrong interpretation. The Catholic Church adopted the holy trinity much like adopted other beliefs from previous older faiths they were attempting to convert. Purgatory for instance. They also built their churches on previous holy sites.
Though they adopted things they didn’t understand the real symbolic meaning, which had to preserved outside of the church.

No. Not because they are worshipping different gods but because gods do not exist. They are all bs created by some a little creative and extremely manipulative people to group other people to be able to control them easier. Example: If there was no god, no reward for good deeds and no punishment for bad behavior and especially no afterlife most people wouldn't think twice before committing crimes such as murder. Laws made by kings and the so called "democratically elected people" would not be enough to control majority of the people. There would be chaos everywhere all the time. As much as I hate religions I have to admit they are good at controlling people to make them behave good.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

How can a GOD sincerely lose faith in itself or believe it forsook itself?

It seems to me you're playing at words. Did Jesus not often pray to his
Father? Your obtuse intentions fall flat on their face I know that for
a fact.

Perhaps you can be more specific? And for the record I'm a nobody if
not a simple somebody who believes the Bible can't be read like
other books. You have to correctly divide the word according to whom
God is speaking and in what age. Don't be so reluctant to understand
things yourself in favor of your Father in Heaven. Or continue your
own way and see where that gets you? If you just want to continue
in your own way of thinking why ask questions that to me come
from a complete unwillingness to understand?

a reply to: Astrocometus

Did Jesus not often pray to hisFather?

If Jesus is GOD, then is he not also his father?

And for the record I'm a nobody if not a simple somebody who believes the Bible can't be read like other books.

Plenty of Jesus following Christians read the Bible and don't see anything that confirms that Jesus claimed to be or thought he was GOD.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: SchrodingersRat
I was always taught and I believe that Jesus was the son of God. Not God per se, but God's son made flesh.

It's a firm belief in the Catholic church that Jesus is God.
"GOD" in the Catholic church is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
Sorry but whoever gave you your 'Catholic education' fell down on the job.

John 1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Catholic belief is that Jesus is God, always has been. There never was a time
that Jesus didn't exist as God.

St. Therese of Lisieux Catholic school in Brooklyn, NY. It's on the corner of Ave D and Troy Ave.

I always thought they hated me anyway...

John 1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I've always loved this passage.

Have at it.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

If Jesus is GOD, then is he not also his father?

Look at how ignorant your question is? Where in the whole model of life
is a son not seperate from his father and yet still of the same gene pool?

You obviously don't want to understand and are only interested in your
own ignorance that makes you feel like you know something. Well I'm
sorry to pop your bubble but you don't.

Plenty of Jesus following Christians read the Bible and don't see anything that confirms that Jesus claimed to be or thought he was GOD.

Got any names?

a reply to: Astrocometus

Where in the whole model of life
is a son not seperate from his father and yet still of the same gene pool?

Here on earth, a son's DNA is composed of his mother and his father's genes. Are you saying that you believe that Jesus had GOD's DNA and Mary's DNA?

Got any names?

Pentecostals and Gospel Assembly Churches, Seventh-day Adventists Jehovah Witnesses...

There is no biblical justification for "The Trinity". It's not talked about anywhere in the old or the new testaments. It's a Catholic construct, like hell, limbo and the perpetual virgin.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Astrocometus
a reply to: Sookiechacha

If Jesus is GOD, then his temptation, his suffering, his death and his resurrection are meaningless.

Can you understand that?

How do you understand it? lol

How can a GOD sincerely lose faith in itself or believe it forsook itself?

Because he was half man.

He walked among us as one of us to experience the temptations and yet overcome them.

Being sinless at the time of his death and willfully going to that death - a wage that he personally did not have to pay - bailed the rest of us out, if we are willing to accept that bail payment.

On the topic of the thread, it’s complicated.

The Christian God is triune, which the Jewish and Muslim god, as they believe, is not.

So I suppose one could say that we believe in partially the same God.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Astrocometus

Where in the whole model of life
is a son not seperate from his father and yet still of the same gene pool?

Got any names?

There is no biblical justification for "The Trinity". It's not talked about anywhere in the old or the new testaments.

nor are the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent qualities. studying the Bible reveals these characteristics.
the word 'rapture' is not in the Bible but the concept is.
After being baptized; Jesus the Son walks out of the river; God the Father proclaims His approval; the Spirit falls like a dove. in this scene all three aspects of God are seen together.

a reply to: Coelacanth55

And here are a few of many verses

God the Holy Spirit, Acts 5

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

God the Father, Philippians 1

2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

God the Son, Titus 2

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

The image of God that we were created in possesses a body, soul, and spirit.

a reply to: Coelacanth55

At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.

In the Old Testament, God descends as "The Angel of the Lord". The spirit spoke through a donkey once. Another time: "Spirit of the LORD came powerfully upon him, and he tore the lion apart with his bare hands", the spirit took the body of Samson. GOD appeared to Elijah as a 4 faced wheel whirling being.

17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

The son is not the father. They are separate beings. In the Book of Job, there was a big party in Heaven and ALL the sons of GOD were there, including SATAN. God called David his first born son, in Psalms 89.