Are the 'Abrahamic Religions' all Really the Worshipping the Same Abrahamic God?

a reply to: FlyersFan

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and in Christ you have been brought to fullness.

These are Paul's words, not Jesus' words. Nevertheless, that doesn't say that Christ IS the deity, or that the deity is threefold, or that ONLY Christ can experience the fullness of the deity, which is what every born-again Christian claims, that Jesus abides in their hearts. Many speak in tongues too.

In fact Paul conflated the Jewish Messiah, Christ, with the Greek's LOGOS. The LOGOs is an imperfect reflection of God's image, something the Kabbalah and the Gnostics expanded upon. Indeed, all Abrahamic religions believe that all of us are created in his image, and yet we are imperfect.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
that doesn't say that Christ IS the deity,

Yes it does. Christ is the deity in bodily form.
"the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,"
God in human form.

or that the deity is threefold,

That quote is about Jesus individually.
The other were about God the Father and God the Holy Spirit individually.
I already gave you quotes that had them all together.

You don't know what you are reading.
Go to a bible study.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Christ is the deity in bodily form

"Christ" is not a physical body. "Christ" is not God. Nor does the Bible say Christ and God are the same deity. Christ is a mediator deity/emanation. Christ is the veil, (The imperfect reflection] that must be pierced, between Mankind and God.

We are all acknowledging the same God by different names. It's like the Highlander. There can be only one.

originally posted by: CCoburn
We are all acknowledging the same God by different names. It's like the Highlander. There can be only one.

I don't think there is a high probability this God exists. I think it's miniscule.

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: CCoburn
We are all acknowledging the same God by different names. It's like the Highlander. There can be only one.

I don't think there is a high probability this God exists. I think it's miniscule.

I think that depends on how you define God.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

"These are Paul's words, not Jesus' words"

They are not even Paul words. Colossians has a very different eschatology to Paul's (Colossians speaks of salvation in present tense. Paul spoke of salvation in future tense). The writing style of Colossians is very different from Paul's undisputed letters. It was written by unknown author to promote Jesus as god. That in effect promotes the church as gods spokesman on earth.

"all Abrahamic religions believe that all of us are created in his image, and yet we are imperfect"

The caterpillar could also be seen as imperfect until it blossoms into a magnificent butterfly. So the caterpillar be perfectly imperfected by God to allow the perfection to manifest.

originally posted by: CCoburn

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: CCoburn
We are all acknowledging the same God by different names. It's like the Highlander. There can be only one.

I don't think there is a high probability this God exists. I think it's miniscule.

I think that depends on how you define God.

Are there many definitions?
The God of the old testament is a known figure so the conversation is about him.

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: CCoburn

originally posted by: Consvoli

originally posted by: CCoburn
We are all acknowledging the same God by different names. It's like the Highlander. There can be only one.

I don't think there is a high probability this God exists. I think it's miniscule.

I think that depends on how you define God.

Are there many definitions?
The God of the old testament is a known figure so the conversation is about him.

I don't really think it would be like a personal type god, although I think it's possible that there may be beings that descend from it that would be of a more personal type, like intermediaries, but an eternal or primordial god would be more of a creator type god.

a reply to: FlyersFan

No. On paper they are the same God, but in practice Muslims and Christians have very different Gods. Jews and Christians share the same father God; the same living God. Jews don't recognize the divinity of Christ. They believe the Messiah is still coming, but He has already come.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
...
In other words ... I'm finding different opinions from different sources. There doesnt' seem to be any one answer.

There is one answer though. In order to find it, you'll have to care less about who these people you described think or claim to be worshipping, or what they say or teach ("commands of men as doctrines", see Matt 15:7-9), and go to a more reliable source. This is what Jesus said (earlier in the chapter he explained that everything he said or taught he was taught by his God and Father) to the Jews who opposed him (mostly scribes or other types of religious leaders and teachers), it counts as much for today to a more diverse array of religious groups as it did back then (that's why it was written down, for our instruction today, see Rom 15:4):

John 8:42-47

Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot listen to* [Or “accept.”] my word. 44 You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. 45 Because I, on the other hand, tell you the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Who of you convicts me of sin? If I speak truth, why is it that you do not believe me? 47 The one who is from God listens to the sayings of God. This is why you do not listen, because you are not from God.”

In order to get it though, and understand that this applies to others as well now, you'll need to be listening (as Jesus used the verb above) when someone tells you the truth from God about it, just like Jesus did there. You can't do that if "you are not from God" (not receiving God's spirit to help you understand, and see the evidence, make a collection of it for yourself, so you can "make sure of" it, 1 Thess 5:21, and 'prove it to yourself', Rom 12:2). That's why your heart needs to be receptive to both God's spirit and what He wishes to 'teach you for your own benefit', "the One [not three-in-one according to the doctrines of men, i.e. the Trinity doctrine] guiding you in the way you should walk." (Isa 48:17)

Matthew 13:13-15 (also Jesus speaking)

That is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations; for looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, nor do they get the sense of it. 14 And the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled in their case. It says: ‘You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means see. 15 For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them.’ (note that he's quoting Isa 6:9,10 there, if you go to the context in a translation that does not remove and substitute God's personal name with a generic noun, you can see that the "I" at the end there is referring to "Jehovah", 'the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob', Exo 3:15).

The worship most people claim to give to God is "in vain" (Matt 15:7-9), for it is merely lipservice. In doing so (see also the Bible text below, I mentioned before what behaviour this includes concerning the doctrines of men) their allegiance is actually to another god or spiritual father, as Jesus said at John 8:44. So technically the ones you described in the OP are worshipping the same god as that's the one where their allegiance lies with ("the god of this system of things", 2 Cor 4:4), just not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Which also means the ones you described in the OP as "Christians" aren't actually Christians, they merely profess to be. In that case the correct terminology is "self-professed Christians". As Jesus explained again:

“You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’” (Matthew 15:7-9; again, the "me" in there is referring to "Jehovah", as you can see at Isa 29:13, in an honest translation)

Romans 10:13-15

13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”

2 Corinthians 4:3-9

If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination* [Or “light.”] of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. 5 For we are preaching, not about ourselves, but about Jesus Christ as Lord and ourselves as your slaves for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God is the one who said: “Let the light shine out of darkness,” and he has shone on our hearts to illuminate them with the glorious knowledge of God by the face of Christ.

7 However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not from us. 8 We are hard-pressed in every way, but not cramped beyond movement; we are perplexed, but not absolutely with no way out;* [Or possibly, “but not left in despair.”] we are persecuted, but not abandoned; we are knocked down, but not destroyed.

So you need to be on guard for the doctrines of men, cause they originate not with Jehovah God, but the god of this system of things, "the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth". (Rev 12:9) But again, you can't do that without help from God and being receptive to God's spirit, cause the other fella and his pawns, slaves and victims, both human and spirit, are often too cunning and tricky with their arguments and speech to support these doctrines of men, make people believe them, and make you ignore what is actually going on here, unable to see and wake up to it. Just the groups you mentioned alone have "teachers" (2 Tim 4:3,4) that hold sway over billions of people across the world already.

Trinity Doctrine, A False Teaching Of Man, Council of Nicaea

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” (2 Timothy 4:3,4)

“So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes.” (Ephesians 4:14)

“And stop being molded by this system of things,* [ Or “this age.”] but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” (Romans 12:2)

“Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;” “We have much to say about him, and it is difficult to explain, because you have become dull in your hearing. For although by now* [Lit., “in view of the time.”] you should be teachers, you again need someone to teach you from the beginning the elementary things of the sacred pronouncements of God, and you have gone back to needing milk, not solid food. For everyone who continues to feed on milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a young child. But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their powers of discernment* [Or “their perceptive powers.”] trained to distinguish both right and wrong.” (Col 2:8; Hebrews 5:11-14)

“However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron.”(1 Timothy 4:1,2).

I wasn't quite finished yet.

Knowledge (Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2)

...
Knowledge (gno'sis) is put in a very favorable light in the Christian Greek Scriptures. However, not all that men may call “knowledge” is to be sought, because philosophies and views exist that are “falsely called ‘knowledge.’” (1Ti 6:20) ...
... Thus Paul wrote about some who were learning (taking in knowledge) “yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge [...] of truth.” (2Ti 3:6, 7)

“... having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power and from these turn away. From among these arise men who slyly work their way into households and captivate weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.” (2Ti 3:5-7)

“Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called ‘knowledge.’ By making a show of such knowledge, some have deviated from the faith.

May the undeserved kindness be with you.” (1Ti 6:20,21)

...
How does God view the “wisdom” offered by human philosophy?

1 Cor. 1:19-25: “It is written: ‘I will make the wisdom of the wise men perish, and the intelligence of the intellectual men I will shove aside.’ Where is the wise man? Where the scribe? Where the debater of this system of things? Did not God make the wisdom of the world foolish? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not get to know God, God saw good through the foolishness [as it appears to the world] of what is preached to save those believing. . . . Because a foolish thing of God [as the world views it] is wiser than men, and a weak thing of God [as the world may see it] is stronger than men.” (Such a viewpoint on God’s part is certainly not arbitrary or unreasonable. He has provided in the Bible, the most widely circulated book in the world, a clear statement of his purpose. He has sent his witnesses to discuss it with all who will listen. How foolish for any creature to think that he has wisdom greater than that of God!)

Source: Philosophy (Reasoning From the Scriptures)

“Woe to those who say that good is bad and bad is good,

Those who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness,

Those who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Woe to those wise in their own eyes

And discreet in their own sight!” (Isaiah 5:20,21)

And some advice now:

“Make sure of the more important things.”—PHIL. 1:10.

“Do not treat prophecies with contempt. Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine.” (1 Thessalonians 5:20,21)

“But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar.” (Romans 3:4)

“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare* [“We do not wage warfare.” Lit., “we are not doing military service.” ...; Lat., non . . . mi·li·ta'mus.] according to what we are in the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God;” (2 Cor 10:3-5)

“A careful review of all the information available goes to show that, until the time of Marcus Aurelius [121-180 C.E.], no Christian became a soldier; and no soldier, after becoming a Christian, remained in military service.” (The Rise of Christianity, by E. W. Barnes, 1947, p. 333) “It will be seen presently that the evidence for the existence of a single Christian soldier between 60 and about 165 A.D. is exceedingly slight; . . . up to the reign of Marcus Aurelius at least, no Christian would become a soldier after his baptism.” (The Early Church and the World, by C. J. Cadoux, 1955, pp. 275, 276) “In the second century, Christianity . . . had affirmed the incompatibility of military service with Christianity.” (A Short History of Rome, by G. Ferrero and C. Barbagallo, 1919, p. 382) “The behavior of the Christians was very different from that of the Romans. . . . Since Christ had preached peace, they refused to become soldiers.” (Our World Through the Ages, by N. Platt and M. J. Drummond, 1961, p. 125) “The first Christians thought it was wrong to fight, and would not serve in the army even when the Empire needed soldiers.” (The New World’s Foundations in the Old, by R. and W. M. West, 1929, p. 131) “The Christians . . . shrank from public office and military service.” (Editorial introduction to “Persecution of the Christians in Gaul, A.D. 177,” in The Great Events by Famous Historians, edited by R. Johnson, 1905, Vol. III, p. 246) “While they [the Christians] inculcated the maxims of passive obedience, they refused to take any active part in the civil administration or the military defence of the empire. . . . It was impossible that the Christians, without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of princes.”—The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, by Edward Gibbon, Vol. I, p. 416.

Isaiah 48:17,18

17 This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel:

“I, Jehovah, am your God,

The One teaching you to benefit yourself,* [Or “for your own good.”]

The One guiding you in the way you should walk.

18 If only you would pay attention to my commandments!

Then your peace would become just like a river

And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Isaiah 43:1-19

Now this is what Jehovah says,

Your Creator, O Jacob, the One who formed you, O Israel:

“Do not be afraid, for I have repurchased you.

I have called you by your name.

You belong to me.

2 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you,

And through the rivers, they will not flood over you.

When you walk through the fire, you will not be scorched,

Nor will the flame singe you.

3 For I am Jehovah your God,

The Holy One of Israel, your Savior.

I have given Egypt as a ransom for you,

E·thi·o'pi·a and Se'ba in exchange for you.

4 For you became precious in my eyes,

You were honored, and I have loved you.

So I will give people in place of you

And nations in exchange for your life.* [Or “soul.”]

5 Do not be afraid, for I am with you.

I will bring your offspring* [Lit., “seed.”] from the east

And gather you together from the west.

6 I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’

And to the south, ‘Do not hold them back.

Bring my sons from afar, and my daughters from the ends of the earth,

7 Everyone who is called by my name

And whom I created for my own glory,

Whom I have formed and made.’

8 Bring out a people who are blind, though they have eyes,

And who are deaf, though they have ears.

9 Let all the nations assemble in one place,

And let the peoples be gathered together.

Who among them can tell this?

Or can they cause us to hear the first things?* [Possibly referring to the first things to come in the future.]

Let them present their witnesses to prove themselves right,

Or let them hear and say, ‘It is the truth!’”

10 “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah,

“Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,

So that you may know and have faith in me* [Or “and trust me.”]

And understand that I am the same One.

Before me no God was formed,

And after me there has been none.

11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”

12 “I am the One who declared and saved and made known

When there was no foreign god among you.

So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God.

13 Also, I am always the same One;

And no one can snatch anything out of my hand.

When I act, who can prevent it?”

14 This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel:

“For your sakes I will send to Babylon and bring down all the bars of the gates,

And the Chal·de'ans, in their ships, will cry out in distress.

15 I am Jehovah, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King.”

16 This is what Jehovah says,

The One making a way through the sea

And a path even through turbulent waters, [remember Eph 4:14?]

17 The One who draws out the war chariot and the horse,

The army together with the mighty warriors:

“They will lie down and not get up.

They will be extinguished, snuffed out like a burning wick.”

18 “Do not remember the former things,

And do not dwell on the past.

19 Look! I am doing something new;

Even now it is springing up.

Do you not recognize it?

I will make a way through the wilderness

And rivers through the desert.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
In other words ... I'm finding different opinions from different sources. There doesnt' seem to be any one answer.

It's quite the "wilderness" of ideas and teachings out there isn't it (Isa 43:19, see last verse in previous comment)?

But it's as dry as a "desert" if you consider God's clear waters of truth ("the water of life", the real fountain of youth, Rev 21:6; 22:1,2), not being present amongst these ideas/philosophies and teachings/doctrines of men (and the ones actually pulling the strings, as described at 1 Tim 4:1,2 and the one they serve or slave for, 2Cor 4:4, Rev. 12:9, John 8:44).

Revelation 21:1-8

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

5 And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful* [Or “trustworthy.”] and true.” 6 And he said to me: “They have come to pass! I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the spring* [Or “fountain.”] of the water of life free.* [Or “without cost.”] 7 Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.” (the second death is a permanent death, and at death you cease to exist, so not eternal torture in literal fire, which is here used to symbolize destruction, unlike the first death, from which you can still receive a resurrection, which means to make someone live again.)

22:1,2

And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of its main street. On both sides of the river were trees of life producing 12 crops of fruit, yielding their fruit each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the healing of the nations.

I'm sorry, but speaking as an atheist it's almost amusing watching theists arguing over which god is real. It's like watching people debating which sect of the Easter Bunny is official.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg2
I'm sorry, but speaking as an atheist it's almost amusing watching theists arguing over which god is real. It's like watching people debating which sect of the Easter Bunny is official.

Yes, you should apologize. Because you missed the entire premise of this thread and are falsely accusing people of things they haven't done. No one here has said that their God is right and others are wrong.

The thread asks .... Are the "Abrahamic Religions" all really worshipping the same Abrahamic God? And it goes into detail about the three that claim to be Abrahamic ... Judaism, Christianity, Islam.

Nothing about that says one is worshipping the correct God and the others are not.

originally posted by: whereislogic

There is one answer though. In order to find it, you'll have to care less about who these people you described think or claim to be worshipping, or what they say or teach ("commands of men as doctrines", see Matt 15:7-9), and go to a more reliable source. This is what Jesus said (earlier in the chapter he explained that everything he said or taught he was taught by his God and Father) to the Jews who opposed him (mostly scribes or other types of religious leaders and teachers), it counts as much for today to a more diverse array of religious groups as it did back then (that's why it was written down, for our instruction today, see Rom 15:4):

John 8:42-47

...

I'll quote the preceding verses now so you can see the (now) bolded point I made above (and how Jesus put it).

25 So they began to say to him: “Who are you?” Jesus replied to them: “Why am I even speaking to you at all? 26 I have many things to speak concerning you and to pass judgment on. As a matter of fact, the One who sent me is true, and the very things I heard from him I am speaking in the world.” 27 They did not grasp that he was talking to them about the Father. 28 Jesus then said: “After you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things. 29 And the One who sent me is with me; he did not abandon me to myself, because I always do the things pleasing to him.” 30 As he was saying these things, many put faith in him.

31 Then Jesus went on to say to the Jews who had believed him: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” 33 They [those who opposed him instead] replied to him: “We are Abraham’s offspring* [Lit., “seed.”; notice the similarity with those who claim to represent an Abrahamic religion, as if their religion was 'born' from Abraham's faith in and worship of Jehovah God] and never have been slaves to anyone. How is it you say, ‘You will become free’?” 34 Jesus answered them: “Most truly I say to you, every doer of sin is a slave of sin. 35 Moreover, the slave does not remain in the household forever; the son remains forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be truly free. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s offspring. [genetically speaking, cause they were Jews by birth] But you are seeking to kill me, because my word makes no progress among you. 38 I speak the things I have seen while with my Father, but you do the things you have heard from your father.” 39 In answer they said to him: “Our father is Abraham.” Jesus said to them: “If you were Abraham’s children, [spiritually speaking] you would be doing the works of Abraham. 40 But now you are seeking to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You are doing the works of your father.” [spiritually speaking] They said to him: “We were not born from immorality; we have one Father, God.”

No they were not spiritual children (sons) of God, just like they were not Abraham's offspring, spiritually speaking, as Jesus explains who their real spiritual father is in the next verses as quoted before. Remember there were 2 groups or types of Jews present there. Those who believed him, and those who didn't, the latter group actively opposing him and arguing against him, rather than trying to understand what he was talking about. Those who tried to discredit him, ridicule him, and hated him, even tried to kill him. As they claimed to serve God. They were not interested in what he had to say, they didn't want to "listen" (as Jesus uses the word at verse 43, see footnote before). And so it is today, "there is nothing new under the sun" (Eccl. 1:9,10).

John 15:17-25 (Jesus again)

17 “These things I command you, that you love one another. 18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you. 20 Keep in mind the word I said to you: A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have observed my word, they will also observe yours. 21 But they will do all these things against you on account of my name, because they do not know the One who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin. But now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me also hates my Father. 24 If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have both seen me and hated me as well as my Father. 25 But this happened in order to fulfill the word written in their Law: ‘They hated me without cause.’

An all too familiar experience by his (Jesus') true friends and disciples, i.e. true Christians. Ridicule, scoff, attempts to discredit, twisting someone's words (strawmanning arguments or points) or deeds, deliberately being obtuse, not really listening (not taking someone seriously), not wanting to listen (TLDR style remarks), cherry-picking only that which can be more easily misrepresented, discredited, ridiculed, etc., trying to get under their skin to get them to do or say something that can be used against them, watching them closely to see if there's something you can use against them, or accuse them of, often along with a paintjob painting something negative or dark on them (again to spread hate, to fuel the fire, preferrably something that people have a very negative opinion about, so they see that person in that light; and trying to manipulate them, the Christians, to make them do or say things that further assist in that paintjob and get other people on the same hate bandwagon), and so on. All of that sums up to hate (and disrespect, disdain).

Often there's also a lot of pretense going on and they would rather see you (the Christian) fail (for example do something embarassing they can make fun of, or use in their attempts to spread their hatred to others, entrapment and manipulation is often involved again, setting things up, setting you up for failure and false accusations/slander, "backbiting", gossip/"whispering", 2Cor 12:20*) than be honest with you and help you succeed, or see you succeed, as pointed out by Bob Marley in the song "Who the Cap Fit":

"Some will hate you, pretend they love you now
Then behind they try to eliminate you
But who Jah bless, no one curse ["Jah" is the shortened version of the name "Jehovah"]
Thank God
We're past the worse

Hypocrites and parasites
Will come up and take a bite
And if your night should turn to day
A lot of people would run away

...

Some will eat and drink with you
Then behind them su-su 'pon you (su-su 'pon you)
And if night should turn to day
A lot of people will run away"

*: "For I am afraid that somehow when I arrive, I may not find you as I wish and I may not be as you wish, but instead, there may be strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, dissension, backbiting, whispering, being puffed up with pride, and disorder." (2 Cor 12:20)

whispering: Or “gossip.” The Greek word conveys the idea of secret gossip, spreading negative information or rumors in a confidential or secretive manner.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg2
I'm sorry, but speaking as an atheist it's almost amusing watching theists arguing over which god is real. It's like watching people debating which sect of the Easter Bunny is official.

Yes, you should apologize. Because you missed the entire premise of this thread and are falsely accusing people of things they haven't done. No one here has said that their God is right and others are wrong.

The thread asks .... Are the "Abrahamic Religions" all really worshipping the same Abrahamic God? And it goes into detail about the three that claim to be Abrahamic ... Judaism, Christianity, Islam.

Nothing about that says one is worshipping the correct God and the others are not.

This thread is literally filled with people quoting scripture to each other and then claiming that the other person needs to go back to bible school.
I'm sorry, but I find it amusing. And I won't apologise, why on earth would you want me to?

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg2
This thread is literally filled with people quoting scripture to each other and then claiming that the other person needs to go back to bible school.

That was NOT a discussion on 'which God was real'. It was a discussion on what Christians actually believe. They believe in the Trinity.

I'm sorry, but I find it amusing. And I won't apologise, why on earth would you want me to?

You FALSELY accused people of arguing over which God is real. And that hasn't happened.

You are obviously clueless as to what this thread is discussing. Perhaps you should actually read it from the beginning and educate yourself on the subject matter, without an atheist chip on your shoulder, if you are going to comment. Otherwise, your posts make no sense.

The discussion - Are the 'Abrahamic Religions' all actually worshipping the same Abrahamic God'?

Judaism worships yahweh. This God started out as a tribal God and then became the 'one God'. Judaism claims it as the God of Abraham.

Christianity worships The Trinity. This started out as the Jewish God of Abraham and then it evolved into being a Trinity God - God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

Islam worships Allah. This god started out as a tribal god for Muhammad. Then as Islam spread and dominated, it became the 'one god', and it back-claimed to be the God of Abraham. Probably so that Muhammad could attach more importance to it and give it a better reputation.

The question is ... do all three really worship the same God or not? The claim is that they do. But it kind of looks like they don't no matter the claim.

THAT is the discussion going on. Not 'who has the right god'.
So yes, you should apologize for falsely claiming otherwise.
And you did .. by opening with 'I'm Sorry .... '

Muhammad claimed he did not create a new religion but perfected an old one.

He was not referring to Judaism and Christianity because he claimed his ancient religion had been revealed to many different peoples all over the world.

He also said in his last public speech, "There is no excellence in Islam except through piety." This suggests the meaning of submission is to live with spiritual defenses submitted to others' needs. As well as to depend on others whose spiritual defenses are submitted.

It may have been obvious to ancient people that the sun is like a fire because it makes its own light but the moon is like a whitewashed wall which only reflects other light.

In effect, it's probably how all prehistoric people lived before religion sprang up to show them how to control their spirit and not live in an endless state of sinful rapport.


However, when practitioners of this way of living would meet a faithful person and be prayed for, if they were far enough in the wrong, they probably had a hard time denying religion was effective.

Muhammad's stated purpose in seeking guidance from Gabriel was to avoid continuous conflict. Surely God would have had mercy on all his people if called upon. Skeptics may suppose that Muhammad had slaves teach him how religious people think. Or maybe some missionaries tried to convert him, thus educating him in the process. Or maybe he learned from a mobster who knew how to exploit the religious while using a knowledge of morality to avoid constant conflict. I have no stake in this but I believe God could have helped him by sending Gabriel.

He had Gabriel teach him what a person would do if they needed to depend on sinful rapport but did not want to always be at war with their neighbors. He may also have wanted to learn which people are easy or difficult to victimize with sinful rapport.

They may have learned to respect the Judaeo-Christian God and even study what they needed to know about God in order to live as they do and avoid constant conflict.

a reply to: FlyersFan

YHWH was a desert god of storms and chaos originally. Not unlike SET in Egpyt. The enemy of the sun god Horus. Hence the saturday sabbath and cube worship.
Jesus is based on the story of the fallen angels. The king that died so we might live. In Semite mythology SHemhazi the fallen angel that wept and died for his children. Went and hung himself from the constallation orion. The first time civilizations set up by the tribe of dan or the fallen angels. ie Babayion and Egypt. Nimrod (orion or Osirius (orion) Hence the enemeies of Yahew. The story of Jesus no different. The three wise men.. the belt stars.. or Jonh the baptist the one with the big belt.... now thats the same as Nephilim (nephi (orion) or the Annuaki (the light of the heavens) again orion. Always the same story if you look. The marriage of Orion and sirius.. and the sun king.. The original trinity..